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113 out of 3902 isn't a significant number.

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You post a lot of goofy stuff just to be a contrarian, but this might be the worst. You think the firefighters currently working their asses...

You post a lot of goofy stuff just to be a contrarian, but this might be the worst. You think the firefighters currently working their asses off around the clock couldn't use 113 additional qualified hands right about now? Sometimes its best to just sit out some topics. 

113 would be an additional 3%, that number would not make a difference, an additional 975 (25%) would be appreciated by the firefighters, but would not...

113 would be an additional 3%, that number would not make a difference, an additional 975 (25%) would be appreciated by the firefighters, but would not prevented what's happening.

Christ, you doubled down on the stupid with this one, didn't you? Ask any fire fighter who's ever fought a major wildfire if they think another ~30 trucks worth of dudes wouldn't have made a difference – even if it only meant a few more minutes of break time per person before they have to head back in. 

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Waiting for that wombat guy to chime in…

You’re wondering where AKDR is?

He’s busy writing “Sharknado: The Prequel!”

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1/10/2025 2:13am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2025 6:22am

Comes as no surprise that some 'clown' would come in here with the climate change bullshit. 

And no surprise as to who it was.

The usual thread destroyer who infests threads, and makes them all about him/her.

Typical of an invasive species. 

 

Well here's a sample of your climate change, boy.

Gg512r6WQAAeNYv

That home depot torch will change the climate every time. 

 

Like I said, the seasonal fires have been around long before gore invented the term.

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Sully wrote:
Christ, you doubled down on the stupid with this one, didn't you? Ask any fire fighter who's ever fought a major wildfire if they think another...

Christ, you doubled down on the stupid with this one, didn't you? Ask any fire fighter who's ever fought a major wildfire if they think another ~30 trucks worth of dudes wouldn't have made a difference – even if it only meant a few more minutes of break time per person before they have to head back in. 

He's another who, non stop shitposts, and never really says anything.

But he mouths off on pretty much every topic about a nation he's not part of.

 

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As this disater enters the recovery/rebuilding phase, mark my word,

People will soon realize that the government isn't going to be there to help.

It's going to be private citizens, private companies, volunteer groups from organizations of all kinds.

People will help each other out. 

It's what we do.

 

That's exactly what's been happening in N.Carolina, and east Tennessee.

Church groups. 

Hiker groups. 

The 4x4 community. 

Nascar.

Lowes.

Home depot. 

The Amish community. 

And various other commercial businesses. 

All are in elbows deep in helping people in need.

 

And aside from the wealthy 'celebrities' that the media wants your heart to bleed for, there's lots of people who will need that help.

And they'll be receiving it from places far outside the state. 

That's what's been happening around here.

(And BTW, very little looting around here. We can all shoot the wings off a fly at quite a long range, from anything within our arsenal, or on our hip)

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As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is...

As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is a different way that policy's are handled in America an insurance policy is a contract, nominally it is for a 12 month period, if the policy/contract has come to its end the insurer may vary the policy terms but not whilst the policy is valid, I could be wrong but there is no way that would happen here.

Regarding the fires, again whilst I am on the other side of the world it appears that there was plenty of mismanagement leading up to this just like our fires from 2019/2020 which I fought for over 2 months, restricting access to areas, stopping fuel load reduction activities, not having enough assets to hand and lack of training plus it looks like there was the good ol government in the back ground playing funny buggers with "environmental flows" and letting water go out to sea in the name of "conservation policy's" has come back to bite.

Unfortunately common sense is no longer common but muh "Climate Change" caused it all bullshit is just that, bullshit, whilst disasters like this can happen it can be mitigated to a large degree with proper planning in place and using resources that are readily to hand not locked up under government bureaucracy.       

Edit, link to a story from the Black Saturday fires, the only house to survive despite being fined by the council $50k for clearing his land................you would think that the local council would of learned a lesson but you would be wrong. 

Black Saturday survivor fined for cutting down trees supports hazard reduction | Daily Mail Online

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My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that...

My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that are becoming apparent, but California said they couldn't , so they withdrew cover. I am reading 1600 properties affected, but i am sure someone closer to it will have better info. 

Right now, i am thinking of all those in Lahaina that seem to have been forgotten, and looking at this thinking exactly the same has happened. 

 

1Burrdog wrote:
I just had a quick look at this and State Farm did not cancel the policy's they did not renew the policy's as they expired, big...

I just had a quick look at this and State Farm did not cancel the policy's they did not renew the policy's as they expired, big difference; most of the headlines that I have now seen are at best misleading to downright false. There was still an option if people chose to go through the so called Fair program but many may not have taken this up. 

Below is a snip from a May 2023 article.

State Farm has stopped accepting homeowner insurance applications in California, citing the growing risk from catastrophes like wildfires and the rising cost to rebuild.

"State Farm General Insurance Company made this decision due to historic increases in construction costs outpacing inflation, rapidly growing catastrophe exposure, and a challenging reinsurance market," the insurance giant said in a statement on Friday.

"It's necessary to take these actions now to improve the company's financial strength," the company added.

State Farm no longer accepts homeowner insurance applications in California : NPR

If you think that there is a huge difference between cancelled and 'refuse to renew' then i think you may be part of the problem.

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Well, there is a difference. One would be breaking a contract. Legal ramifications for that. The other would be not entering into a new contract after the current one runs its course. Not illegal. 

But ya - insurance is generally a racket. 

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Its the same scenario in Florida…State Farm Ins. Will not write new homeowners Insurance coverage. They know the potential for a disaster of this magnitude is real. The politicians failed to sit down with the Insurance industry and hammer out resolutions…much higher rates but at least it would have been available……I would think moving forward new housing developments would have their own water sources, like water towers, and building materials , and surrounding materials should be all non flammable…metal, brick, concrete ect. Heartbreaking to see what these people are going through…

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Droughts hit the plain states approximately every quarter-century. They occur much more frequently in the area of California currently burning.Large-scale farming techniques were relatively new in...

Droughts hit the plain states approximately every quarter-century. They occur much more frequently in the area of California currently burning.

Large-scale farming techniques were relatively new in the 30's and folks in that part of the country were planting crops that weren't suitable (not because they were arrogant, because they were trying to make a living, and the federal government wanted them to). The droughts still occur in that region, but dust bowls don't because farmers learned how to mitigate the effects of those droughts.

There is absolutely no way for California to prevent droughts, but there are ways to mitigate the damage that occurs because of them. Emptying reservoirs used for fire protection isn't one of them.

Holy shit, has hell frozen over?!

The government (humans) got the farmers (also humans) to do something unnatural to that area of the environment which – as set up by the drought – triggered a radical change to the climate (the dust bowl).

I couldn't agree more!

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Alright which Vitard was flying a drone around? You fucked up our plane eh

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/canadian-super-scooper-plane-grounded-afte…

So fucked up...

But, yet another perfect example of while we're all technically "human", the difference between man and monkey isn't a light switch... it's a dimmer.

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You are laughable. You haven't had an intelligent response to a single challenge posted to you, either by me or others, but now you have your...

You are laughable. You haven't had an intelligent response to a single challenge posted to you, either by me or others, but now you have your panties in a wad because I won't answer your irrelevant scenario. 

I will not do that now nor in the future. 

You state you come to the table to talk, but never bring anything of substance. You have never been anything more than a liberal parrot with no depth of knowledge. 

You feign intellectual superiority until challenged, at which point your ruse collapses and you begin to grasp for alternate routes to defend your self-aggrandizing belief that you are "a better person" than most. That is why you are trying to hop from the climate change argument you were losing to your current fire fighter choice you seem to think is relevant. You hope that if I agree with you then I'd have to agree that the 5.5 million acres was important, and if I don't then I'm a mean spirited person who wants homes to burn. All of that is your attempt to cover up your failure to defend your earlier premise. 

Perhaps you will again try to be witty and condescending, and also post your fire fighter choice one more time. Perhaps not. 

It matters not to me. It is apparent that it's not ignorance that possesses you, but stupidity. Stupidity masked by pretentious narcissism, and throw in a superiority complex to hide your feelings of inferiority. 

You think you have any idea of who I am based on my interactions with a dozen people who, like yourself, endlessly refuse to answer any of my questions out of a deep-seeded fear that you'd ever find yourself having to admit you were wrong about anything so you follow me from thread to thread pathetically attempting to insult me like a gaggle of attention starved 12 year old girls?

You wanna see pretentious narcissism? Look in a mirror.

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Holy shit, has hell frozen over?!The government (humans) got the farmers (also humans) to do something unnatural to that area of the environment which – as...

Holy shit, has hell frozen over?!

The government (humans) got the farmers (also humans) to do something unnatural to that area of the environment which – as set up by the drought – triggered a radical change to the climate (the dust bowl).

I couldn't agree more!

The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. 

Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur.

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vet323 wrote:
The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century...

The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. 

Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur.

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug clown.

Have a great day!

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Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug...

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug clown.

Have a great day!

Wombat's response:

"Nu uh!!"

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vet323 wrote:

Wombat's response:

"Nu uh!!"

It's not my fault you can't even understand what you're writing.

"Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur."

AKA, humans fucked up the ground, the dust bowl happened (which hadn't happened before, thus how we only talk about "the one dust bowl"), humans learned that they can have an effect on the climate, so they adjusted their farming techniques to prevent future dustbowls.

 

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You are laughable. You haven't had an intelligent response to a single challenge posted to you, either by me or others, but now you have your...

You are laughable. You haven't had an intelligent response to a single challenge posted to you, either by me or others, but now you have your panties in a wad because I won't answer your irrelevant scenario. 

I will not do that now nor in the future. 

You state you come to the table to talk, but never bring anything of substance. You have never been anything more than a liberal parrot with no depth of knowledge. 

You feign intellectual superiority until challenged, at which point your ruse collapses and you begin to grasp for alternate routes to defend your self-aggrandizing belief that you are "a better person" than most. That is why you are trying to hop from the climate change argument you were losing to your current fire fighter choice you seem to think is relevant. You hope that if I agree with you then I'd have to agree that the 5.5 million acres was important, and if I don't then I'm a mean spirited person who wants homes to burn. All of that is your attempt to cover up your failure to defend your earlier premise. 

Perhaps you will again try to be witty and condescending, and also post your fire fighter choice one more time. Perhaps not. 

It matters not to me. It is apparent that it's not ignorance that possesses you, but stupidity. Stupidity masked by pretentious narcissism, and throw in a superiority complex to hide your feelings of inferiority. 

You think you have any idea of who I am based on my interactions with a dozen people who, like yourself, endlessly refuse to answer any...

You think you have any idea of who I am based on my interactions with a dozen people who, like yourself, endlessly refuse to answer any of my questions out of a deep-seeded fear that you'd ever find yourself having to admit you were wrong about anything so you follow me from thread to thread pathetically attempting to insult me like a gaggle of attention starved 12 year old girls?

You wanna see pretentious narcissism? Look in a mirror.

It's quite easy to understand who you are from your comments on this board. 

The up votes vs. down votes indicate many others on this board also understand who you are. 

You're getting schooled on the dust bowl, and on climate change, and your only defenses are senseless rambling and delusional tangents. 

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It's quite easy to understand who you are from your comments on this board. The up votes vs. down votes indicate many others on this board also...

It's quite easy to understand who you are from your comments on this board. 

The up votes vs. down votes indicate many others on this board also understand who you are. 

You're getting schooled on the dust bowl, and on climate change, and your only defenses are senseless rambling and delusional tangents. 

Of course you're someone who puts stock in the thumbs up / thumbs down feature.

It all makes so much sense now.

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vet323 wrote:
The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century...

The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. 

Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur.

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug...

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug clown.

Have a great day!

Translation:

If you had the very limited info I had, and didn't do any further research, you would agree with me. 

My guess is the square pooper will claim to have lived on the plains as a dryland farmer and knows all about the farming techniques because he saw they were incorrect and implemented some radical changes that made his farm so productive and environmentally friendly that he taught his neighbors, but he became bored and decided to give the farm away to a needy minority family so he could pursue one of his many, many other talents. 

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Translation:If you had the very limited info I had, and didn't do any further research, you would agree with me. My guess is the square pooper will...

Translation:

If you had the very limited info I had, and didn't do any further research, you would agree with me. 

My guess is the square pooper will claim to have lived on the plains as a dryland farmer and knows all about the farming techniques because he saw they were incorrect and implemented some radical changes that made his farm so productive and environmentally friendly that he taught his neighbors, but he became bored and decided to give the farm away to a needy minority family so he could pursue one of his many, many other talents. 

Guuuuurl, you're going to get so many likes with this response and we both know how much you love them likes!

Digital high five!!!!

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1/10/2025 6:56am
peelout wrote:
saw this on Reddit, unbelievable 

saw this on Reddit, unbelievable

 

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That's fucking crazy man. A whole neighborhood flattened. 

We're those houses built out of timber?

Timber is just the start of it. It's sawn and kiln-dried timber, some of the houses were old, so kiln-dried timber standing and drying for another 100 years past what it was when it left the mill. The there's the plywood, osb, particle board, mdf, that goes into buildings- dry wood chips and sawdust held together with adhesives and treated with formaldehyde and such all flammable and toxic Then there's all the various plastics and various construction adhesives, paints, etc, that go into finishing the stickframe into a house. Then there's the things in the building, furnishings, all your toys, curios, etc, plastic and wood, mostly, and many powered by flammable batteries. Then there's the gasoline and diesel and natural gas that's in the house and garage. On top, if the power is still on, electricity running through all of it. Yeah, a house is pretty flammable.

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vet323 wrote:

Wombat's response:

"Nu uh!!"

It's not my fault you can't even understand what you're writing."Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25...

It's not my fault you can't even understand what you're writing.

"Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur."

AKA, humans fucked up the ground, the dust bowl happened (which hadn't happened before, thus how we only talk about "the one dust bowl"), humans learned that they can have an effect on the climate, so they adjusted their farming techniques to prevent future dustbowls.

 

It's you that doesn't understand what I'm writing. You're a classic narcissist, using every interaction as a mirror. 

The Dust Bowl didn't change the climate, it was a result of human actions within the existing climate. The climate that existed before, during, and after the Dust Bowl could lead to another one if those human actions hadn't changed.

Wildfires from droughts in Southern California have been occurring for as long as Southern California has been a thing. There is no human action that will prevent them. The only thing humans could do is change how they mitigate damage from those wildfires. 

I've read that reservoirs used for firefighting were drained, that probably wasn't a good decision. If there wasn't a large-scale land-clearing program near the forest/residential interface after the last massive fire season, that also wasn't a good decision. 

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Somebody needs to fact check David Muirs physique 🙄

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vet323 wrote:

Wombat's response:

"Nu uh!!"

It's not my fault you can't even understand what you're writing."Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25...

It's not my fault you can't even understand what you're writing.

"Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur."

AKA, humans fucked up the ground, the dust bowl happened (which hadn't happened before, thus how we only talk about "the one dust bowl"), humans learned that they can have an effect on the climate, so they adjusted their farming techniques to prevent future dustbowls.

 

vet323 wrote:
It's you that doesn't understand what I'm writing. You're a classic narcissist, using every interaction as a mirror. The Dust Bowl didn't change the climate, it was...

It's you that doesn't understand what I'm writing. You're a classic narcissist, using every interaction as a mirror. 

The Dust Bowl didn't change the climate, it was a result of human actions within the existing climate. The climate that existed before, during, and after the Dust Bowl could lead to another one if those human actions hadn't changed.

Wildfires from droughts in Southern California have been occurring for as long as Southern California has been a thing. There is no human action that will prevent them. The only thing humans could do is change how they mitigate damage from those wildfires. 

I've read that reservoirs used for firefighting were drained, that probably wasn't a good decision. If there wasn't a large-scale land-clearing program near the forest/residential interface after the last massive fire season, that also wasn't a good decision. 

"The Dust Bowl didn't change the climate,"
No shit, Sherlock. The Dust Bowl was the change of climate.

"it (the dust bowl) was a result of human actions within the existing climate."
Exactly! Humans fucked up and it resulted in the climate going from a season wind to the extreme Dust Bowl.

"The climate that existed before, during, and after the Dust Bowl could lead to another one if those human actions hadn't changed."
Exactly! Humans realized we fucked up, we saw the effects our actions had on nature, and learned from it. WE SAW WE COULD EFFECT THE CLIMATE AND LEARNED FROM IT!

Wildfires from droughts in Southern California have been occurring for as long as Southern California has been a thing. There is no human action that will prevent them. The only thing humans could do is change how they mitigate damage from those wildfires.
We can't stop fired but but we can do things to prevent the environment and climate from getting to a place where the fires are as extreme as they've become... just like we learned to do with farming after we fucked up and created the dust bowl.

I've read that reservoirs used for firefighting were drained, that probably wasn't a good decision. If there wasn't a large-scale land-clearing program near the forest/residential interface after the last massive fire season, that also wasn't a good decision. 
Two great examples of things humans could do to help change environment in order to control the damaging effects of nature.


You're literally making my own argument to me!

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Somebody needs to fact check David Muirs physique 🙄[img]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/vM5JFVy.8qbmrql0O5BNKQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyNDI7aD04Mjg-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/page_six_articles_559/08c002b8fb3cec9509d5d550f543bfd1[/img]

Somebody needs to fact check David Muirs physique 🙄

Yeah, he’s catching hell for that. Lol

He’s another smug bastard. 

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vet323 wrote:
The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century...

The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. 

Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur.

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug...

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug clown.

Have a great day!

Ur such a douche

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vet323 wrote:
The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century...

The Dust Bowl wasn't a "radical change to the climate," you smug clown. 

Part of the natural "climate" of the plains states is droughts every quarter century (that's 25 years for you Biden supporters). Farming techniques leading into a (naturally occurring) drought led to loss of topsoil. Those techniques were discontinued, the (naturally occurring) drought ended, and so did the loss of topsoil. Subsequent (naturally occurring) droughts haven't seen a return of a Dust Bowl because farming techniques changed,  not because (naturally occurring) droughts in that region no longer occur.

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug...

Yeah, you should watch the documentary or read a book on the dust bowl, you don't know fuck all about what you're talking about... you smug clown.

Have a great day!

Ur such a douche

I wouldn't call Vet a douche.

I'd say he's more excitable and passionate.

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I wouldn't call Vet a douche.

I'd say he's more excitable and passionate.

How old are you? Seriously?

It’s like I said from the beginning you are an adolescent. Most likely with acne.

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1/10/2025 7:48am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2025 7:48am
I never said the dust bowl was caused by climate change.But, since we agree that humans have shown that we can have a negative effect on...

I never said the dust bowl was caused by climate change.

But, since we agree that humans have shown that we can have a negative effect on nature, if you stack up enough human caused negative effects on nature you get the acceleration of climate changes which is what we are seeing now with the massive pendulum swings and why insurance companies are pulling out of area's that are going to be more heavily hit.

It's not rocket science; take your car into the garage, leave it running, and see what it does to the climate in there.

A better example, considering the size of our atmosphere, would be to strike a match in the center of the Superdome and see if that affects the climate. 

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