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Are the current pros riding too much during the week and increasing the chance of injury?
I guess I’m a fan of older times where you would see the same riders nearly every week. Now it seems you get 60% of the riders complete every round in a series.
Raised in So Cal in the 80s. We had numerous spots to ride during the week. Very common to ride with pro's everyday of the week.
Anyone remember Baseline?
Bikes have advanced, but the human body hasn’t. People are riding faster, jumping higher, and hitting the ground much harder than they used to.
I don’t think it’s as much a function of riding too much as it is that the machines riders have now are ridiculous compared to what they were just 20 years ago.
20 years ago was 2003. You think they're really going that much faster than prime RC days?
Yes, it's all housing developments now. You could hammer yourself into shape there for sure.
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I think so sometimes. I think they are more fatigued than they realize, hence EBV being so prominent. When have you ever seen videos of riders just chillin'. It's all about grinding, grinding and more grinding. At some point it's going be a case of diminishing returns.
“That much faster that RC?” Probably not.
But you are kidding yourself if you think the technological advancements in the bikes since 2003 hasn’t made the 40th to 5th place guys that much faster than they were in 2003. Half the field was still on two strokes in 2003….
I have always thought the top guys shouldn’t ride during the week. They aren’t going to lose any speed not riding during the week.
Riding during the week is fine, I think they should save going race pace for the actual racing
Yes
I believe you should be riding mid week and as much as you can as a rookie/young emerging rider, but if you're an established top 5 rider it maybe of detriment, everyones different everyone has to find their own balance, from experience in other professional competition doing your craft too much especially when it's not clicking may send you backwards, things that some pros are doing like riding different bikes like a 250f or a 2 stroke can keep things fresh.
The human body hasn’t advanced? Humans are always advancing.
did you not realize up until 1954 scientists and all experts said it wasn’t possible for a human to run a mile in under 4 minutes….then the first guy did and a bunch after.
give me a break.
I stand corrected, then.
No, they are not. You obviously weren't there to see RC and Stew in their prime.
I think you're confusing absolute and relative speed but ok dude. I most definitely got to witness RC in his prime
RC , in his prime, on today's bikes, "could" be looking at another 24-0 season. Jett is very good (and we have likely not seen his best, yet) but he ain't no RC (and on outright speed, certainly no Stew)
That’s the thing everyone focuses on physical training to be in peak physical shape come Raceday. Yet they never seem to focus on the mental fatigue side of things.
riding flat out 3-4 times a week from jan to September is a huge task.
when the riders struggle i believe it’s because they are mentally shagged!
That's more like knowledge of the human body...
And nutrition and other performance enhancing supplements. (NOT necessarily banned substances)
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You cannot just suggest to ride less. You should enforce it so there’s no disparity between the riders? There will always be someone trying to push hard to make an additional step. First, I wouldn’t like some sort of enforcement like they have in F1 or MotoGP, then, what about the privateers? Where do you stop enforcing a riding limit?
This right here! I was just listening to the latest Pulp show with Christian Craig, and he talks about how every lap at the bakers factory is timed, and if you're not laying heaters down every time, you get yelled at.
I think the old school guys rode just as much, they just weren't on the limit every single day and every single lap.
I don’t think you’d have to force anything. They listen to their team / trainers.
it’s beneficial to maintain a baseline fitness but take time off from all this over the top training and media commitments to just relax and you’d be in a much better place come Raceday .
my opinion from my own experiences
I don't doubt it, and no question the trainers know 50x what I know, but that sounds like a pretty questionable way to go about it? I can see how that would exhaust people and work them into the ground.
Surely working on your weak points, working on the bike's weak points, honing your skills and setup in the rough and sketchy lines, etc, is way better than just turning in heater after heater taking the fast line and running yourself ragged avoid being told off? 😂
65 hp 450's is a big part of the problem
This is why riders have either fallen out with Aldon or just plain burnt out under his program. I think his method works for a bootcamp style training period, but it doesn't seem like it's very sustainable over the long term
How many guys are going to free ride, I don't think too many are doing that during the week anymore since most left California. Pounding laps constantly does fatigue the body and mind, sometimes its good to just go ride and remember why you started doing it in the first place. It can also help you to get into the flow of riding in a general sense, drills and hitting a mark every ride sucks the fun out. No fun, no flow.
Rode Baseline with Ron Turner many times in the early eighties.
I know a guy, who knows a guy, who was riding for a satellite KTM effort in MX2, and the KTM side of things where tracking his heart rate and whatnot even through the non bike portions of his week.
I expect this lack of freedom is easier to stomach when you're getting an AMA 450 factory guy pay cheque, but still it can't sit well with the typical freedom loving moto dude.
Not really related, but I bet that adds to the mentally draining aspect.
I raced thru the 90's, last race was 2001,if im not mistaken. I was B rider then at what i considered my best. Rode 125/250 Suzuki's in my last year of racing. Just got a new bike Jan 2023, YZ250F, After 20 years of no bike and no riding at all. Started riding 2-3 days per week just to get back in the groove of it, and to stop being scared to jump again at 53 years old. I can tell you for a fact these new 4 strokes and suspension are LIGHT YEARS ahead of bikes from 20 years ago. I feel i am already as close to my speed from 20 years ago already. I have no plans of racing, just ride to have fun and stay in shape. I still hit the gym a few days a week too, but riding is much more fun while i have daylight to do it. I built a MX track at my house on 3 acres. Dont have to drive anywhere to ride. I can say that when i ride two days in a row, Im a couple seconds slower per my LitPro the second day. But im not 25 anymore either.
3 days a week is enough for top level riders, development can be more often
That's not how I remember it. They were ripping 20 years ago too. LaRoccos Leap was there too so they were hitting the jumps back then. Corner speed was just as fast back then on the two strokes. I remember them pounding the sand whoops at Millville pretty hard. My last pro national was in 1999 and after a long wait I visited Budds Creek in 2022 and I honestly didn't think much of it. Sure, they were faster but it's not like it was night and day. It looked very similar. Really I think main thing is the jumps are bigger overall throughout the track and that gives the illusion they are going faster. AND you can clearly tell the horsepower carries them around some sections of the track much faster (like the uphills). But other sections it seems about the same. That's just how my memory has it, could be wrong though. It was 23 years ago.
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