Prado’s 3 Year Kawi Deal

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Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time starting in 2025. Outdoor championship contender right away?

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If he gets through supercross healthy, I’d bet he gets some podiums and moto win by the end of the year. I love seeing MXGP come over, but having a champion come over makes it even cooler. 

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Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

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Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time...

Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time starting in 2025. Outdoor championship contender right away?

Is this official?

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3/12/2024 5:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 5:05pm
hartebreak wrote:
Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe they have two of their three factory teams run by outsiders.

They are knibbling little expense away like their little singles Factory Racing team at the American Flat Track and probably if you look at the national level you will also see lesser support for teams or no support. That makes that that they probably weren't interested in paying the difference of income he loses when signing for TLD, meaning income from clothes, boots, helmet and goggles deals. If TLD also can't pay that difference you're done negotiating. Don't know why Husqvarna wasn't an option because there he could do his own deals... but yeah it's noticeable.

Who is bye the way the source of this news?

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If true, I'm looking at it like a be careful what you wish for situation.

 

I like kawi, love a monster... they seem to be pretty set in certain ways regarding bike setup and what you can or can't do. Weimer and even tomac can attest to that.

 

Won't be like the GP's where anything goes with frames exc.

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MXMattii wrote:
KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe...

KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe they have two of their three factory teams run by outsiders.

They are knibbling little expense away like their little singles Factory Racing team at the American Flat Track and probably if you look at the national level you will also see lesser support for teams or no support. That makes that that they probably weren't interested in paying the difference of income he loses when signing for TLD, meaning income from clothes, boots, helmet and goggles deals. If TLD also can't pay that difference you're done negotiating. Don't know why Husqvarna wasn't an option because there he could do his own deals... but yeah it's noticeable.

Who is bye the way the source of this news?

This kind of stuff is common for big business marketing.  Make a HUGE push for a few years/short period of time, then pull back a ton or all together and ride the wave for a while.  Rinse and repeat.  

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Flatliner wrote:
If true, I'm looking at it like a be careful what you wish for situation.   I like kawi, love a monster... they seem to be...

If true, I'm looking at it like a be careful what you wish for situation.

 

I like kawi, love a monster... they seem to be pretty set in certain ways regarding bike setup and what you can or can't do. Weimer and even tomac can attest to that.

 

Won't be like the GP's where anything goes with frames exc.

Still, better starting platform chassis wise and Anderson said they were pretty open this year and it shows with his speed. 

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Another interesting thing is the energy drink issue. If I'm not mistaken, Prado was the youngest ever rider to sign with Red Bull. Seems odd that he would leave to Monster. Maybe Red Bull didn't fight for him as they have Jett as their poster child ?

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Still, better starting platform chassis wise and Anderson said they were pretty open this year and it shows with his speed. 

That is kind of a opinion based don't you think?

 

(I ride a Kawi)

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Another interesting thing is the energy drink issue. If I'm not mistaken, Prado was the youngest ever rider to sign with Red Bull. Seems odd that...

Another interesting thing is the energy drink issue. If I'm not mistaken, Prado was the youngest ever rider to sign with Red Bull. Seems odd that he would leave to Monster. Maybe Red Bull didn't fight for him as they have Jett as their poster child ?

To me it seems that Red Bull is trying to diversify their portfolio and this got into an extra gear after the death of Dietrich Mateschitz. They are less visible in the second F1 team, they didn't re-signed Pastrana, didn't looked for a replacement for Tony Cairoli who's now a Monster Athlete due to his deal with Ducati. They have also bought a cycling team. The target market in MX/SX is probably already drinking Red Bull, so diversifying seems obvious.

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3/12/2024 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 5:38pm
hartebreak wrote:
Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

MXMattii wrote:
KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe...

KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe they have two of their three factory teams run by outsiders.

They are knibbling little expense away like their little singles Factory Racing team at the American Flat Track and probably if you look at the national level you will also see lesser support for teams or no support. That makes that that they probably weren't interested in paying the difference of income he loses when signing for TLD, meaning income from clothes, boots, helmet and goggles deals. If TLD also can't pay that difference you're done negotiating. Don't know why Husqvarna wasn't an option because there he could do his own deals... but yeah it's noticeable.

Who is bye the way the source of this news?

Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night.

We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated.

At one point the Husqvarna team in the US was privately owned before being absorbed.

What, at peak, the Austrian group had six factory teams in MXGP but only one they owned?

Red Bull KTM (owned)

DeCarli Red Bull KTM (private)

Standing Construct GasGas MXGP (private)

Diga GasGas MX2 (private)

IceOne Husqvarna MXGP (private)

Nestaan Husqvarna MX2 (private)

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

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Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night. We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated. At one...

Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night.

We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated.

At one point the Husqvarna team in the US was privately owned before being absorbed.

What, at peak, the Austrian group had six factory teams in MXGP but only one they owned?

Red Bull KTM (owned)

DeCarli Red Bull KTM (private)

Standing Construct GasGas MXGP (private)

Diga GasGas MX2 (private)

IceOne Husqvarna MXGP (private)

Nestaan Husqvarna MX2 (private)

Indeed and now they have three factory teams with only one run by the factory. Gasgas is DeCarli and Husqvarna is Kay Hennekes (Nestaan).

Do you think my assumption is wrong? Maybe they just want to spend tons of money at their MotoGP program.

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Now that Peirer has accomplished several championships in the U.S. and established the brands successfully, they are moving their focus to road racing.

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as...

Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

Won’t be official until October. 

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As well they probably are acknowledging the futility of competing with Honda and Jett in the U.S. for premier class titles in the coming half decade or so.  

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ML512 wrote:
Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night. We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated. At one...

Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night.

We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated.

At one point the Husqvarna team in the US was privately owned before being absorbed.

What, at peak, the Austrian group had six factory teams in MXGP but only one they owned?

Red Bull KTM (owned)

DeCarli Red Bull KTM (private)

Standing Construct GasGas MXGP (private)

Diga GasGas MX2 (private)

IceOne Husqvarna MXGP (private)

Nestaan Husqvarna MX2 (private)

MXMattii wrote:
Indeed and now they have three factory teams with only one run by the factory. Gasgas is DeCarli and Husqvarna is Kay Hennekes (Nestaan). Do you...

Indeed and now they have three factory teams with only one run by the factory. Gasgas is DeCarli and Husqvarna is Kay Hennekes (Nestaan).

Do you think my assumption is wrong? Maybe they just want to spend tons of money at their MotoGP program.

MotoGP costs more and more every year.

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hartebreak wrote:
Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

The KTM group in general seem to be in a weird spot, seems like they lost loyalty. If prado will go monster Kawi, why not rockstar husky to keep him in the KTM group and he can choose his gear. Maybe monster throwin some money at the Spanish sensation?

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hartebreak wrote:
Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

ohh_454 wrote:
The KTM group in general seem to be in a weird spot, seems like they lost loyalty. If prado will go monster Kawi, why not rockstar...

The KTM group in general seem to be in a weird spot, seems like they lost loyalty. If prado will go monster Kawi, why not rockstar husky to keep him in the KTM group and he can choose his gear. Maybe monster throwin some money at the Spanish sensation?

Monster wants him, bad.

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as...

Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

Won’t be official until October. 

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as...

Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

Won’t be official until October. 

ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

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I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi, Ken, and the rest of the guys. Plus Florida living is much closer to Spain living and he will still have a large Spanish  speaking population (which he was extremely surprised and excited about in California). 

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I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

That's never going to happen as there's no riders union/league. That's the only reason it's reported in stick and ball sports.

Motorsports never do it. Don't have details on F1, MotoGP, or NASCAR pay figures by example. We have rumors and close to info, but not the real deal.

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ML512 wrote:

Monster wants him, bad.

Seems like they're the most represented brand in the sport already.... unless they're looking for a big Spain push.

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Good for him, looking forward to it.

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Kellen and Lewis brought up something about Prado going to Kawi on their last podcast. Does this mean he won't race the MXdN anymore since Kawi doesn't send their riders? 

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ML512 wrote:

Monster wants him, bad.

Flatliner wrote:

Seems like they're the most represented brand in the sport already.... unless they're looking for a big Spain push.

They’re about to lose Eli, AC, Febvre, and just lost Sexton and Gaisjer. They have an opportunity to take one of Red Bull’s younger champions. 

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hartebreak wrote:
Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

I thought the same, I thought for sure he’d stay with KTM group, now it’s sounding like there little chance of that

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Zycki11 wrote:

Still, better starting platform chassis wise and Anderson said they were pretty open this year and it shows with his speed. 

BobPA wrote:

That is kind of a opinion based don't you think?

 

(I ride a Kawi)

wait, you're not a KTM guy anymore? are you sure?

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