Would Adderall be considerred Performance Enhancing

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Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 7:11am
If Travis Pastrana were found to be taking it. Don't get me wrong, I think that guy was one of the nicest most personable riders & certainly one of the most talented. But, IMO he was also the king of brain fade, having a little brain fart that would end his night.

So, while my initial thought to Bubba taking it (if in fact that's what it is), is that it's not performance enhancing. I think back to some extremely talented riders, that could just never seem to consistently put it together for 20 laps & wonder if it would have enhanced their performances. Hepler could be another.
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6/21/2014 7:48pm
Its a recreational drug in this country every bit as a medication for the (phantom) disorder known as ADHD.

Can we please stop ignoring that.

There's nothing to see here or care about. If he indeed did fail a drug test, recreational use of adderal should be the least of anyone's worries.
6/21/2014 7:50pm
For Christ's Sake: the other 92 threads discussing this haven't been enough for you?
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If it's banned be Wada, get a Tue or don't take it

Simple enough concept when you're a millionaire with a posse. Team stewie fail

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Adderall[note 1] is a psychostimulant pharmaceutical drugs of the phenethylamine class used in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy. Adderall is also used as a performance and cognitive enhancer,
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Don't see how it could help him ,cardio wise it would make you go into the red zone quicker and cause arm pump.

I've taken it for fun back when I was in the ditch,it is definitely speed.
6/21/2014 8:02pm
Im add/hd. And am prescribed addderal. I cannot take it the days i ride, Cause it effects my cardiio,i get winded really fast . When i dont take on days i ride i can get my motos in without any problem
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6/21/2014 8:04pm
If there was an epo for arm pump...Everyone would take it
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Im add/hd. And am prescribed addderal. I cannot take it the days i ride, Cause it effects my cardiio,i get winded really fast . When i...
Im add/hd. And am prescribed addderal. I cannot take it the days i ride, Cause it effects my cardiio,i get winded really fast . When i dont take on days i ride i can get my motos in without any problem
Yeah,thats what I would figure, I took it to see how much it would take to jump a bon fire while chuggin' from a jar.

You can definitely jump a big fire on it.
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6/21/2014 8:31pm
hillbilly wrote:
Yeah,thats what I would figure, I took it to see how much it would take to jump a bon fire while chuggin' from a jar. You...
Yeah,thats what I would figure, I took it to see how much it would take to jump a bon fire while chuggin' from a jar.

You can definitely jump a big fire on it.
Haha, sounds like a PED, hillbillyTongue
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Im add/hd. And am prescribed addderal. I cannot take it the days i ride, Cause it effects my cardiio,i get winded really fast . When i...
Im add/hd. And am prescribed addderal. I cannot take it the days i ride, Cause it effects my cardiio,i get winded really fast . When i dont take on days i ride i can get my motos in without any problem
This is what I can say about it as well. Heightened blood pressure, heart rate and dull feeling. I quit for that reason. People just deal with me.
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I box kick box and do mma. One of my buddies has ADHD and when we were 16 he took his adderall late in the day instead of early. When we went boxing at 7:00 pm he said he could still feel it. About 10-15 minutes in he complained of having dry mouth, shortness of breath, and generally felt weak. I know that aderall helps pitchers and nfl players but those sports are not as endurance based as boxing and motocross. Based on my knowledge and personal experience I don't think for motocross it is, but for nfl and baseball (not endurance based) it can help
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http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2019776708_adderall28.html

A new word has been added to the pro football lexicon, one that is threatening to become as nettlesome to the NFL's image as "Bountygate."

That word is Adderall, the amphetamine that keeps cropping up in the league's drug suspensions, and which now has allegedly touched the Seahawks.

Their starting cornerbacks, Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner, face four-game suspensions for reportedly testing positive for a banned substance, identified in multiple reports as Adderall.

The players deny using anything illegal, but the increasing nexus between Adderall — a drug commonly prescribed to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder — and the NFL has become impossible to ignore.

At least 10 players have been linked to the stimulant in the past two years, though that number might be misleading. The NFL, by virtue of a confidentiality provision in its contract with the NFL union, never discloses the substance involved in a violation. That has led to suspicions that in some instances, players or their representatives claim Adderall use because there is less stigma attached to an amphetamine with an acknowledged medical purpose than to other banned substances, such as anabolic steroids.

"It is the excuse of the day, because there is no transparency in the NFL," said one official in another sport.

Still, it seems undeniable that the use of Adderall is on the rise, and not just in the NFL. Just Tuesday, Phillies catcher Carlos Ruiz received a 25-game suspension for using Adderall. NASCAR driver AJ Allmendinger also has been connected to the drug, and even actress Lindsay Lohan was reported to be Adderall dependent, according to TMZ.

The potential lure becomes obvious when Dr. Gary Wadler, past chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List Committee, begins listing off the benefits of Adderall to an athlete.

"It masks fatigue, masks pain, increases arousal — like being in The Zone," begins Wadler, currently an associate professor of medicine at Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine, in a phone interview.

"It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance."

That's not to mention possible increases in acceleration, speed, strength and power that accrue to Adderall users. It's no wonder that Wadler calls Adderall "one of the quintessential performance-enhancing drugs. There's no question it's a performance-enhancing drug."


Adderall has been banned by virtually every sports organization, from the NCAA to MLB to the NFL. But the NFL, like other sports, allows players who have a medical need for the drug to use it without penalty, after they have applied for and been granted a Therapeutic Use Exemption.

The NFL doesn't disclose the number of therapeutic exemptions issued, but MLB in 2011 granted 105. Such numbers were an eye-opener to Wadler.

"I'm an internist, and I see lots of patients," he said. "I can count on one hand the number I've seen over the years who had (ADHD) to such a degree that they required medicine."


He says that ADHD has become "the diagnosis du jour in our society."

Dr. Brett Daniel, chief of primary care at Pacific Medical Centers, says there's a debate in the medical community whether ADHD is over-diagnosed, or doctors are simply doing a better job of recognizing it. The current estimates are that about 5 to 10 percent of kids have it, and about 4 or 5 percent of kids are treated for it.

For those with ADHD, Adderall can be a highly effective remedy.

"With how ADHD sets up in the brain, it (Adderall) helps make things align correctly in the right amount, so people are able to concentrate," Daniel said. "People are able to stay on task, get more focused."

The result, he said, is that Adderall "can make a big difference in people's lives" when they have ADHD, by allowing them to function more effectively.

Adderall recently has become commonplace on college campuses, where it is known as "the brain drug." Students use it to cram for exams, for much the same reason athletes use it.

Dr. Don Catlin, the founder and former director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Lab, and still a member of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, likens the effect of Adderall to drinking 25 to 30 cups of coffee

"It's very potent," Catlin said. "It jazzes you up, gets you off the line faster. You start faster, move faster, and it can be habit-forming. It's certainly not good for you. If you take too much, it can get your heart racing, cause rhythm disturbances in the heart, and even, if you go to the end of the line, seizures, though it usually doesn't go that far."


Daniel noted that Adderall "works on the same transmitter as cocaine, so you feel more grandiose, confident."

Catlin added that despite the fact that Adderall doesn't stay in the system long, "It's silly for (players) to do it, because it's so easy to catch them. There's an easy test for the drug. What they're thinking is hard to imagine."

Dr. Charles Yesalis, a professor emeritus of Health Policy and Administration & Kinesiology, at Penn State, perhaps provided a glimpse of the answer.

"It's one of those deals, I said it even about steroids. On an athletic field, at the elite level, even a 1 percent difference, which we very frequently couldn't measure in the lab, is a big deal," he said. "It's a game of inches, right? Look at the complexity of offenses and defenses in the NFL — it's heady stuff."
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drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely effective as a PED.
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it's on the banned list, end of debate.
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6/22/2014 5:19am
ando wrote:
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely...
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely effective as a PED.
It may help you focus like a Jedi but for outdoors ,winding your heart up like a blender would seem counterproductive.
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Theres one line it the long description that makes it awesome...uh, or they tell me it makes it awesome. "It masks fatigue, masks pain"

Bouncing between time zones, traveling getting beat up training. Imagine taking a pill and not feeling the effects of this, or reducing it. Look at an nba basketball schedule and notice the "road" games. Being able to take that pill, when no one else is, is a big deal. Even for a business traveler, it would be unreal to fly from LA to new York. Get up at 3am (your LA time) and feel fine.

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6/22/2014 7:24am
Roscoe33 wrote:
it's on the banned list, end of debate.
This^^
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It helps otherwise people wouldn't use it what is so hard to understand
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It is effectively speed. It is gnarly. I took it a few times in college to help me study. Yes it is a performance enhancing drug. End of debate. There is also less and less support in the real medical community WRT Adderalll's actual benefits.
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ando wrote:
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely...
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely effective as a PED.
hillbilly wrote:
It may help you focus like a Jedi but for outdoors ,winding your heart up like a blender would seem counterproductive.
Which is pretty much what drmarkr said - probably very beneficial for SX, not so much for MX.

And it was an SX race that Stewart returned a positive.
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ando wrote:
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely...
drmarkr has posted a number of times on this subject over the last few days. His opinion is that for one-time uses Adderall could be extremely effective as a PED.
hillbilly wrote:
It may help you focus like a Jedi but for outdoors ,winding your heart up like a blender would seem counterproductive.
ando wrote:
Which is pretty much what drmarkr said - probably very beneficial for SX, not so much for MX. And it was an SX race that Stewart...
Which is pretty much what drmarkr said - probably very beneficial for SX, not so much for MX.

And it was an SX race that Stewart returned a positive.
If he tests positive for mx he is the man fer sure.

How do you not take 2 if one works good,and if 2 works twice as good why not 4.

I know for me it would spiral out of control.

When I took it for fun I had prolly ten during the rampage of the night,plus whiskey,so it equaled out,

Chemical pushups

The big thing here now is bathsalts because they dont show up in tests given by employers.

I'd rather lick a car battery.
6/23/2014 7:11am
zookie wrote:
It is effectively speed. It is gnarly. I took it a few times in college to help me study. Yes it is a performance enhancing drug...
It is effectively speed. It is gnarly. I took it a few times in college to help me study. Yes it is a performance enhancing drug. End of debate. There is also less and less support in the real medical community WRT Adderalll's actual benefits.
Performance enhancing only in certain individual's.....not everyone will see the same abilities as the next guy in fact some would lose some abilities, the maturity level about this topic is very poor to say the least. Not sure why people come on here talking about something they may or may not have experienced and think it will have the same affects on the next person...



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