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Ray_MXS 9/10/2020 9:25am
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crowe660 wrote:
He’s too tiny for a 450.
Jmart = 5'8"
RC = 5'6"

Also look at Sexton on that underpowered Honda last year compared to what he's doing now on a 450. Also take that with consideration that the only 450 race jmart has done he finished a close second behind beast mode Tomac.

I don't see why he wouldn't rip on a 450
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charge wrote:
Losing momentum as he blows by the entire field
fatpurplepanda wrote:
at iron man..two races ago
charge wrote:
Yeah. He really went backwards at redbud
Last I checked it was the person winning the race who got the most points, not the one doing the fastest laptimes.
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UpTiTe 9/10/2020 9:32am
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Jmart goes very goes very fast on a 450. Wittinessed it with my own eyes at a secret sand track on a Star 450 when he was with O’mara. A lot of fast 450 guys were glad he was still on a 250.
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I was thinking about this over the weekend and then Matthes mentioned it on Pulp. In my opinion it makes a ton of sense. With Barcia...
I was thinking about this over the weekend and then Matthes mentioned it on Pulp. In my opinion it makes a ton of sense. With Barcia staying at Yamaha there are no guys out there that are legit top 5 outdoor contenders in 450 week in and week out except for J Mart. Not saying he is guaranteed to be top 5 but if he raced next year and took 3rd through 5th in the championship it wouldn't be the biggest shock ever.

Of course this is only if the FC Honda team can't find sponsorship.

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motoxxx599 9/10/2020 9:38am
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McG194 wrote:
I was thinking about this over the weekend and then Matthes mentioned it on Pulp. In my opinion it makes a ton of sense. With Barcia...
I was thinking about this over the weekend and then Matthes mentioned it on Pulp. In my opinion it makes a ton of sense. With Barcia staying at Yamaha there are no guys out there that are legit top 5 outdoor contenders in 450 week in and week out except for J Mart. Not saying he is guaranteed to be top 5 but if he raced next year and took 3rd through 5th in the championship it wouldn't be the biggest shock ever.

Of course this is only if the FC Honda team can't find sponsorship.

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SlS257 wrote:
When did Barca sign with yamaha's for 2021?
Yamaha used their first right of refusal in Barcia's 20' contract to match GasGas' offer. He will be on Yamahas next year.
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According to weege, or was it GL, Yamaha is using their $ to buy out Barcia's contract. I don't blame them.
motoxxx599 9/10/2020 9:41am
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With JGR locking down the long awaited casino sponsor for next year if Jmart was to leave Factory Connection Honda (not Geico anymore) I could see him there. But I would imagine if anyone was to be retained by FC Honda for 21' it would be Jmart.
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According to weege, or was it GL, Yamaha is using their $ to buy out Barcia's contract. I don't blame them.
I don't get this. If they are using some contractual clause (which sound really stupid) to "buy him out" if he himself wanted to leave. Do they really want a rider who doesn't really wanna be there?
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fatpurplepanda wrote:
at iron man..two races ago
charge wrote:
Yeah. He really went backwards at redbud
Ray_MXS wrote:
Last I checked it was the person winning the race who got the most points, not the one doing the fastest laptimes.
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
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charge wrote:
Yeah. He really went backwards at redbud
Ray_MXS wrote:
Last I checked it was the person winning the race who got the most points, not the one doing the fastest laptimes.
charge wrote:
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
I think it's less downplaying Ferrandis and more "Don't downplay the guy who is currently beating Ferrandis"
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JMart could definitely be top 5 outdoors. He’s got great style that would adapt to the 450 perfectly, IMO. He’s a threat outdoors no matter what...
JMart could definitely be top 5 outdoors. He’s got great style that would adapt to the 450 perfectly, IMO. He’s a threat outdoors no matter what. Any team that doesn’t give him a shot is completely stupid. Look at what Osbourne is doing this year. Look at AC also. Yeah, Martin bested both those guys multiple years in the 250s.

He also is a multi-time outdoor champion so he knows what it takes. And he’s got great race craft. And he’s a decent starter.

What’s to think he wouldn’t be a threat outdoors on the 450s???

How does he not have “raw” speed? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. How does he win two MX titles, and also winning races this year after a serious injury, but he doesn’t have that raw speed?? Please explain.

I see a multi time champion still winning races. What more do you want?
vansnxtweek489 wrote:
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra...
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra awesome to see someone else with a fusion killing it.

I agree completely that his race craft and championship winning skills are very strong. Quite Dungey-esque to me. Consistency! Yes, dumb maybe, but in my mind when I think of 450 guys such as Tomac, Webb, Roczen, Musquin, Osbourne, Sexton, Anderson, and soon to be Ferrandis..I just don't see him topping those guys every race. Maybe top 5 was a bit too critical. One thing is for sure, a few of those guys have issues with being consistent..so maybe that will be where/how he shines.

Look forward to seeing it.

There is zero evidence so far that he won’t do well on the 450. Quite the opposite actually. Half the guys you named he has spanked on the 250s on his way to multiple outdoor titles. AC9, Sexton, Osbourne, Webb...

I’m not a huge JMart fan. I’m just being factual. JMart has speed, craft, and starts. He has championship pedigree. He trains, practices, tests. He’s got it all.

There is literally nothing so far that indicates Dylan will be any better then Martin on the 450. It’s possible they will both be awesome! But Dylan has just as good a chance of being a Plessinger on the 450 too.

The only time Martin ran the 450 he got 2nd at Daytona SX.

Time will tell how it all shakes out. If it’s my money, I’d feel very comfortable going all in on JMart on the 450 over Fernandis.

Just my opinion...
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davis224 wrote:
I think it's less downplaying Ferrandis and more "Don't downplay the guy who is currently beating Ferrandis"
That's what it is for me, Ferrandis is damn impressive. I'd say all around best 250 guy on the planet right now, if JMart does get this title from him he'll have damn sure earned it.
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charge wrote:
Yeah. He really went backwards at redbud
Ray_MXS wrote:
Last I checked it was the person winning the race who got the most points, not the one doing the fastest laptimes.
charge wrote:
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact he hasn't won in 5 motos and is losing points to the much more experienced, two time champion, Jeremy Martin. If he'd taken down anyone other than Jmart last time he'd be even more behind.

Not bashing on Ferrandis at all, but points wins championships, not fastest laps.
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Last I checked it was the person winning the race who got the most points, not the one doing the fastest laptimes.
charge wrote:
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
Ray_MXS wrote:
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact...
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact he hasn't won in 5 motos and is losing points to the much more experienced, two time champion, Jeremy Martin. If he'd taken down anyone other than Jmart last time he'd be even more behind.

Not bashing on Ferrandis at all, but points wins championships, not fastest laps.
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
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jorgechavez 9/10/2020 10:12am
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Not really related but I can’t help but laugh at how calling the GasGas a red KTM clearly gets some people upset
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charge wrote:
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
Ray_MXS wrote:
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact...
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact he hasn't won in 5 motos and is losing points to the much more experienced, two time champion, Jeremy Martin. If he'd taken down anyone other than Jmart last time he'd be even more behind.

Not bashing on Ferrandis at all, but points wins championships, not fastest laps.
charge wrote:
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans...
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
They are racing for a championship, not fans approval.

This isn't FMX
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vansnxtweek489 9/10/2020 10:24am
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TXDirt wrote:
JMart could definitely be top 5 outdoors. He’s got great style that would adapt to the 450 perfectly, IMO. He’s a threat outdoors no matter what...
JMart could definitely be top 5 outdoors. He’s got great style that would adapt to the 450 perfectly, IMO. He’s a threat outdoors no matter what. Any team that doesn’t give him a shot is completely stupid. Look at what Osbourne is doing this year. Look at AC also. Yeah, Martin bested both those guys multiple years in the 250s.

He also is a multi-time outdoor champion so he knows what it takes. And he’s got great race craft. And he’s a decent starter.

What’s to think he wouldn’t be a threat outdoors on the 450s???

How does he not have “raw” speed? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. How does he win two MX titles, and also winning races this year after a serious injury, but he doesn’t have that raw speed?? Please explain.

I see a multi time champion still winning races. What more do you want?
vansnxtweek489 wrote:
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra...
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra awesome to see someone else with a fusion killing it.

I agree completely that his race craft and championship winning skills are very strong. Quite Dungey-esque to me. Consistency! Yes, dumb maybe, but in my mind when I think of 450 guys such as Tomac, Webb, Roczen, Musquin, Osbourne, Sexton, Anderson, and soon to be Ferrandis..I just don't see him topping those guys every race. Maybe top 5 was a bit too critical. One thing is for sure, a few of those guys have issues with being consistent..so maybe that will be where/how he shines.

Look forward to seeing it.

TXDirt wrote:
There is zero evidence so far that he won’t do well on the 450. Quite the opposite actually. Half the guys you named he has spanked...
There is zero evidence so far that he won’t do well on the 450. Quite the opposite actually. Half the guys you named he has spanked on the 250s on his way to multiple outdoor titles. AC9, Sexton, Osbourne, Webb...

I’m not a huge JMart fan. I’m just being factual. JMart has speed, craft, and starts. He has championship pedigree. He trains, practices, tests. He’s got it all.

There is literally nothing so far that indicates Dylan will be any better then Martin on the 450. It’s possible they will both be awesome! But Dylan has just as good a chance of being a Plessinger on the 450 too.

The only time Martin ran the 450 he got 2nd at Daytona SX.

Time will tell how it all shakes out. If it’s my money, I’d feel very comfortable going all in on JMart on the 450 over Fernandis.

Just my opinion...
I can't disagree with most of that.

I don't think him smoking dudes on 250s is really relevant being that was years ago. I think what throws me off a bit is why is he still in the 250 class if he'd be so good on a 450? I know with injury and such he got held back but obviously after winning two 250 championships he was still gonna run this class again before he got hurt. To me I'd think if there is so much potential for 450 speed and success why would you stay in the 250 class?

Only reason I can think of is to make more money; get all you can while you can. Just seems like the 450 class is most guys goal and that's what they push for.

I'll end with 450 SX, I don't see fireworks. I'll agree that he could be up there on 450s outdoors.
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charge wrote:
What is this weird trend of downplaying ferrandis? His riding is consistently incredible
Ray_MXS wrote:
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact...
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact he hasn't won in 5 motos and is losing points to the much more experienced, two time champion, Jeremy Martin. If he'd taken down anyone other than Jmart last time he'd be even more behind.

Not bashing on Ferrandis at all, but points wins championships, not fastest laps.
charge wrote:
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans...
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
Am I missing something here? Jmart has more Moto wins and more overalls and leads the points but Dylan is dominate....ok
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Ray_MXS wrote:
I don't get this. If they are using some contractual clause (which sound really stupid) to "buy him out" if he himself wanted to leave. Do...
I don't get this. If they are using some contractual clause (which sound really stupid) to "buy him out" if he himself wanted to leave. Do they really want a rider who doesn't really wanna be there?
Who knows, maybe he still wanted to renew and Yamaha was not interested until the outdoor rides started up? Either way, Barcia stands to make a lot more money riding a Yamaha as he will be able to keep his Alpinestars and Arai deals. Whether that is best for him, who knows? Will he be happy on a Yamaha? Only if they figure out how to get the bike working for him in conditions from medium to hard. Then again, there is no guarantee he would go to GasGas and find immediate satisfaction and success with the bike. He's complained about every bike he's ridden in the 450 class, except maybe the 2013 Honda.

As for J-Mart on a GasGas in 450....if it's there it would be a great signing for both parties. Who else is left for them? Savatgy? No disrespect but I'd take Jeremy over him. Tickle? He'd be OK but at least Jeremy is marketable as a former (and possibly current) national champ. McElrath? Unlikely after the bridge he burned leaving TLD in 2019. Plus he's more focused on getting a back-door rule change to stay in the 250 class anyway....
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vansnxtweek489 wrote:
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra...
Hey, I have no problem eating my words if I'm wrong. I'd love to see J.Mart do well. Being someone with a fusion myself its extra awesome to see someone else with a fusion killing it.

I agree completely that his race craft and championship winning skills are very strong. Quite Dungey-esque to me. Consistency! Yes, dumb maybe, but in my mind when I think of 450 guys such as Tomac, Webb, Roczen, Musquin, Osbourne, Sexton, Anderson, and soon to be Ferrandis..I just don't see him topping those guys every race. Maybe top 5 was a bit too critical. One thing is for sure, a few of those guys have issues with being consistent..so maybe that will be where/how he shines.

Look forward to seeing it.

TXDirt wrote:
There is zero evidence so far that he won’t do well on the 450. Quite the opposite actually. Half the guys you named he has spanked...
There is zero evidence so far that he won’t do well on the 450. Quite the opposite actually. Half the guys you named he has spanked on the 250s on his way to multiple outdoor titles. AC9, Sexton, Osbourne, Webb...

I’m not a huge JMart fan. I’m just being factual. JMart has speed, craft, and starts. He has championship pedigree. He trains, practices, tests. He’s got it all.

There is literally nothing so far that indicates Dylan will be any better then Martin on the 450. It’s possible they will both be awesome! But Dylan has just as good a chance of being a Plessinger on the 450 too.

The only time Martin ran the 450 he got 2nd at Daytona SX.

Time will tell how it all shakes out. If it’s my money, I’d feel very comfortable going all in on JMart on the 450 over Fernandis.

Just my opinion...
vansnxtweek489 wrote:
I can't disagree with most of that. I don't think him smoking dudes on 250s is really relevant being that was years ago. I think what...
I can't disagree with most of that.

I don't think him smoking dudes on 250s is really relevant being that was years ago. I think what throws me off a bit is why is he still in the 250 class if he'd be so good on a 450? I know with injury and such he got held back but obviously after winning two 250 championships he was still gonna run this class again before he got hurt. To me I'd think if there is so much potential for 450 speed and success why would you stay in the 250 class?

Only reason I can think of is to make more money; get all you can while you can. Just seems like the 450 class is most guys goal and that's what they push for.

I'll end with 450 SX, I don't see fireworks. I'll agree that he could be up there on 450s outdoors.
Fair points. After he won two championships I believe there just wasn’t room on any teams for him. Just one of those odd ball years. He switched teams. Then got hurt badly. Sometimes the stars need to align to make that jump to 450.

For sure his pure SX experience is going to hurt him and that is a factor on who gets a shot on the 450. He’s not nearly as good at SX as he is MX and that’s definitely a big factor.
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Ray_MXS wrote:
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact...
I agree he is riding very fast. However some of you seem to say he's dominating the series and will in in easily, when in fact he hasn't won in 5 motos and is losing points to the much more experienced, two time champion, Jeremy Martin. If he'd taken down anyone other than Jmart last time he'd be even more behind.

Not bashing on Ferrandis at all, but points wins championships, not fastest laps.
charge wrote:
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans...
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
DonM wrote:
Am I missing something here? Jmart has more Moto wins and more overalls and leads the points but Dylan is dominate....ok
K. You’re right. JMart is way better than ferrandis. What was I thinking
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Ferrandis has been on fire lately. Martin is returning to form. Which is a better position to be in? Who knows. All I know is that Martin is clearly a great choice for any 450 team who needs a rider.
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charge wrote:
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans...
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
DonM wrote:
Am I missing something here? Jmart has more Moto wins and more overalls and leads the points but Dylan is dominate....ok
charge wrote:
K. You’re right. JMart is way better than ferrandis. What was I thinking

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DonM wrote:
Am I missing something here? Jmart has more Moto wins and more overalls and leads the points but Dylan is dominate....ok
charge wrote:
K. You’re right. JMart is way better than ferrandis. What was I thinking
Ray_MXS wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/10/448687/s1200_20200910_194759.jpg[/img]

Yep way better.
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I'd love to see something like this happen...but, Honda would have to be OUT OF THEIR MINDS to let him go IF he ends up being...
I'd love to see something like this happen...but, Honda would have to be OUT OF THEIR MINDS to let him go IF he ends up being the 2021 250 MX Champ. Also, J-Law II hasn't shown consistency...yet. I say..."yet". So, Jeremy is their obvious "fast guy".

I'd also love to see him in TLD, with a Red Bull Helmet and on a 450. I, personally, believe he's identical to ZachO in his abilities and "smarts". So, yup, I'd be stoked. ANd, as others have pointed out and one of my fellow "Old-Schoolers" witnessed...J-Mart CAN ride a Fo'Fiddy!

But, I can't see Honda letting this happen. Letting him go is soooooo not smart. Hell, between him and The 23...the future at Team Honda/HRC USA good be VERY GOOD.

Btw, Geico or No Geico, I don't see FC Honda "going away". On the other-hand, the Title Sponsor Money that I hear they've been getting...well...I have NFI where they're gonna find that kind of money...else-where. The folks that run that team are Top Notch and I'm probably under-estimating their abilities to find another sponsor...hell, I -WANT- to be wrong and truly hope I am. That team has kicked ass and is a pain in the as for every other 250 team in the paddock.

In my mind, NOT having a title sponsor and Honda being wise enough to provide FC with a few more dollars to KEEP the bike looking like a "Honda"...you know...like the way the HRC bikes look...would be very "Honda"...as in Old School Big Red Honda...like they were back in the day...
When they KICKED ASS!
As far as the team going away, I hope you're right and they get someone to sponsor them and continue on next year.

This thread is just a "What if?"
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McG194 9/10/2020 11:01am
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Top 5 finishes or top 5 in points? I'd say yes on the former, and no on the latter. The 450 class is going to be...
Top 5 finishes or top 5 in points? I'd say yes on the former, and no on the latter. The 450 class is going to be fucking stacked next year.
I'm totally opposite from you on this one. I see him doing better at the end of the year than he does week to week.

Jason Anderson is a bad enough dude to win a LL1 moto but I wouldn't expect him to finish top 5 at the end of the year even if healthy. J Mart on the other hand may only get one or two podiums but spend the rest of the year 4-7 range. J Mart has great racecraft and just is always there.
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RalphS 9/10/2020 11:17am
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I see FC and Honda keeping JMart in 202, that being said if he goes somewhere else, he won't forgo his "last 250 year" and will stay there in 2021.

If GG offers a multi-year deal including guaranteed 450, things might change.
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secretwrench 9/10/2020 11:46am
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Haven't heard any more about Butler Brothers problems and if they return next year or not. Still think Baggett would be a good fit for GasGas.
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secretwrench wrote:
Haven't heard any more about Butler Brothers problems and if they return next year or not. Still think Baggett would be a good fit for GasGas.
They’re coming back.
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charge wrote:
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans...
Riding wise we haven’t seen this type of domination in a long time which is why I am excited about him. Since when to mx fans care about how good of a starter a guy is?
DonM wrote:
Am I missing something here? Jmart has more Moto wins and more overalls and leads the points but Dylan is dominate....ok
charge wrote:
K. You’re right. JMart is way better than ferrandis. What was I thinking
Did I say he was way better? your reading comprehension is off somewhat, I said that he isn't as dominate as you say...proof is in the stats....now that of course could change in the next 4 races but so far nobody is dominating anything
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