Glen Helen MXoN Cancelled

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jamma10 9/28/2016 2:46am
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I thought Ferris rode great in Maggiora btw Smile
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TXDirt 9/28/2016 2:51am
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Let's look at f1.... Years ago America could care less, now it's all the rage thanks to a steady and smart marketing program.... It will take...
Let's look at f1.... Years ago America could care less, now it's all the rage thanks to a steady and smart marketing program.... It will take the same for mxgp... It takes years of solid marketing to raise awareness among U.S. consumers.... Its not that Americans don't care about mxgp races, it is more a case that many don't know it exists, and those that do have yet to learn enough about it to actively follow it... I eat sleep and sh!t mx, but mxgp still isn't important enough to me to spend the cash needed to travel and watch an mxgp in person... Btw... I typically make 3 f1 races a year....
I agree with you. I have started to become more of a fan of the GPs ever since RV went over there. I didn't give the tracks or the riders enough credit. Those guys can sure ride motocross and I've never seen such brutal tracks. Really turned my opinion around. I think there is some fresh talent in the GPs that makes it pretty interesting. I also like the way they offer commercial free live stream over Internet. I will definitely be buying the 2017 MXGP package. I don't understand why we can't get something like this for supercross or motocross here in the states.
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DeStouwer 9/28/2016 2:53am
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This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much...
This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much trouble.

If the US guys dont come, its thier loss, the event is huge with or without them, if matterley is anything like the last one there , it will be off the scale.

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Don't think so. The same conversations were had before Thunder Valley in 2010 because everyone knew Budds was a bust. And the event is definitely not...
Don't think so. The same conversations were had before Thunder Valley in 2010 because everyone knew Budds was a bust.

And the event is definitely not the same without the US. It's effectively a team GP plus some gypos who can't ride for squids.
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Like Dean Ferris? :P The reason Matterley was so huge in 2006 was because everyone wanted to see RC, Stewart and RV and more specifically RC...
Like Dean Ferris? Tongue

The reason Matterley was so huge in 2006 was because everyone wanted to see RC, Stewart and RV and more specifically RC ride in Europe for the last time.
RC was there, but didn't ride. Team existed out of Stewart, Villopoto and Tedesco. They won the overall without winning a moto.
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Crush 9/28/2016 2:55am
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Ferris is not a Gypo, and he can definitely ride, was stoked to see him head back and shake his finger at everyone. I'm talking about the flags you don't even recognise and the dudes on old model bikes!

When was the last Euro MXdN that wasn't HUGELY attended? Maybe Kegums or Lommel not as much because of the facility size and lack of elevation...

But that's the thing, it's all "home-court" for you guys really, fans and riders. Lotta Euros on here love to say Europe is not a country, but you might as well be as close as you are to each other... Island or not, I can drive for fuckin ages west of here and not even leave the state... then do it 3 more times and still be in bumfuck idaho.

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jamma10 9/28/2016 2:59am
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Crush wrote:
Don't think so. The same conversations were had before Thunder Valley in 2010 because everyone knew Budds was a bust. And the event is definitely not...
Don't think so. The same conversations were had before Thunder Valley in 2010 because everyone knew Budds was a bust.

And the event is definitely not the same without the US. It's effectively a team GP plus some gypos who can't ride for squids.
jamma10 wrote:
Like Dean Ferris? :P The reason Matterley was so huge in 2006 was because everyone wanted to see RC, Stewart and RV and more specifically RC...
Like Dean Ferris? Tongue

The reason Matterley was so huge in 2006 was because everyone wanted to see RC, Stewart and RV and more specifically RC ride in Europe for the last time.
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RC was there, but didn't ride. Team existed out of Stewart, Villopoto and Tedesco. They won the overall without winning a moto.
I realise that Smile He only puilled out a few days prior to the US team leaving though remember. Most fans from Europe had already booked their ferry tickets etc.



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I'm sure there is more to the story here. I don't think MX Sports is happy with YS trying to do more events over here, backed my Monster.

in my opinion, YS has is right with trying partner with Monster / Feld / SX. outdoor MX is not growing. if people want the sport to grow, getting sponsors to drive to tracks in BFE isn't going to cut it.

we need to have more Daytona style races. they can make the tracks longer than the Daytona SX and have races in bigger markets.

going to NASCAR tracks / open air football stadiums in the summer seems like a better idea to me.
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A very young looking RV!


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Geez Crush, the thing is, we can drive across the entirety of Australia, and still speak the same language. Even with being the most multi cultural society in the World, we are, effectively, a Monoculture. Like the US is.

In Europe, well, the World in general, in many places, it's only a matter of a few Kays, and it's an entirely different language(s), and culture(s).

And, they've killed millions up millions of each other, in many thousands of years, over their differences.

As a few people here regularly say, Europe, is Not a Country.

It's a Big , Wide World out there, get out amongst it!
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philG wrote:
This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much...
This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much trouble.

If the US guys dont come, its thier loss, the event is huge with or without them, if matterley is anything like the last one there , it will be off the scale.

Disagree completely on the first part. Unless you're just talking about the USA not showing up to race wherever the race is.

Budds 2007 had it all - a big US victory, and huge (HUGE) crowd. If it had been worth it in the end, after all that, some of the rest of the big track owners in the US would be looking for ways to host this race. They have all avoided it since - except for Colorado, which I think turned out bad $ wise for everyone except YS. These track owners talk to each other - seems pretty apparent that everything is stacked in YS favor for hosting this event, on this side of the pond at least - and all the risk is on the track owners.

I was also thinking about a Cali vacation this time next year - guess I can stop thinking about that.
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No, he`s bald australian guy doing lots of joga.
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Crush 9/28/2016 5:20am
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Geez Crush, the thing is, we can drive across the entirety of Australia, and still speak the same language. Even with being the most multi cultural...
Geez Crush, the thing is, we can drive across the entirety of Australia, and still speak the same language. Even with being the most multi cultural society in the World, we are, effectively, a Monoculture. Like the US is.

In Europe, well, the World in general, in many places, it's only a matter of a few Kays, and it's an entirely different language(s), and culture(s).

And, they've killed millions up millions of each other, in many thousands of years, over their differences.

As a few people here regularly say, Europe, is Not a Country.

It's a Big , Wide World out there, get out amongst it!
That's my point though, it's all close as. The culture thing is overplayed, it's not that different... and in my experience most Euros are more than comfortable moving between.

In regards to the racing though, it's so easy for Italian fans and teams to support their riders in France, or Latvia, or Germany or the UK. Just drive a bit and you're done,

It's a fucking entirely different proposition for the American team, who lets be honest, are more isolated than most!
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Prntscrn 9/28/2016 5:32am
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I'd say there is a huge difference in culture let's say between Sweden and Italy. For example did you know they eat their dinner like 9pm or something like that? That's fucking crazy dude

When I've been to the US it has felt much more like back home than parts of Europe
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Crush 9/28/2016 5:40am
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Prntscrn wrote:
I'd say there is a huge difference in culture let's say between Sweden and Italy. For example did you know they eat their dinner like 9pm...
I'd say there is a huge difference in culture let's say between Sweden and Italy. For example did you know they eat their dinner like 9pm or something like that? That's fucking crazy dude

When I've been to the US it has felt much more like back home than parts of Europe
It's all Europe bro, it has honestly never felt that different place to place to me. Maybe because regardless it's either a weird language or weird this or that, so differentiating is whatever...
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newmann 9/28/2016 6:04am
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Well, Geoff and Rich probably have a lot in common. So there is that.
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CoccoBill 9/28/2016 9:19am
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Prntscrn wrote:
I'd say there is a huge difference in culture let's say between Sweden and Italy. For example did you know they eat their dinner like 9pm...
I'd say there is a huge difference in culture let's say between Sweden and Italy. For example did you know they eat their dinner like 9pm or something like that? That's fucking crazy dude

When I've been to the US it has felt much more like back home than parts of Europe
Ha!
So is eating dinner at a different time that huge and fucking crazy difference?
I would say there's a lot more difference between Mexico and California than Sweden and Italy.

Anyway, we don't eat dinner so late in the day...
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Sideways 9/28/2016 10:57am
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Racers chimed in about not wanting to ride there. It's a lot of effort to race a track that is...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Racers chimed in about not wanting to ride there. It's a lot of effort to race a track that is not fun.
Not fun? Matterley basin is in my opinion the coolest track in the world. Its AMAZING for spectators aswell

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Zildjian 9/28/2016 1:02pm
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Not even slightly surprised. This is the right decision looking at the precedent of non-AMA events held there. It would seem US fans don't much care...
Not even slightly surprised. This is the right decision looking at the precedent of non-AMA events held there.

It would seem US fans don't much care for anything beyond their borders, something I feel permeates far beyond just MX. Slowly become more alienated from the rest of the world.
Don't hate us because you ain't us.

But seriously, we don't "need" the rest of the world for anything. Truth hurts.
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JVT357 9/28/2016 1:32pm
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CoccoBill wrote:
Ha! So is eating dinner at a different time that huge and fucking crazy difference? I would say there's a lot more difference between Mexico and...
Ha!
So is eating dinner at a different time that huge and fucking crazy difference?
I would say there's a lot more difference between Mexico and California than Sweden and Italy.

Anyway, we don't eat dinner so late in the day...
It is a huge difference. I've been in Italy for 2 weeks now, came over for mxon. It's a huge culture shock. Most dinner restaurants don't even open till 8pm. That's crazy to me. I'm used to eating dinner like 6pm. Also, breakfast. It doesn't exist in Italy. A pastry and a tiny cup of coffee isn't breakfast. I'm starving by 10 but nothing opens for lunch till noon or sometimes 1pm. That is a huge difference than USA. I'm a early riser, like to have a large cup of coffee, big hearty breakfast and then start my day. Maybe a light lunch then have dinner before sun goes down. It's a Totally different world here. I go to Mexico a lot, and other than huge variances in social status there really isn't much difference in day to day operations,
scottydogmx 9/28/2016 3:11pm
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That's it!! I'm in sulk mode , like a teenager!!!

Please, please let them change their mind back as quick as this decision!
Loads of GPs have shit attendance, but very rarely does an MXDN . I am positive that California would be invaded by foreigners that weekend and wouldn't have to rely on locals!
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Phillip_Lamb 9/28/2016 4:56pm
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philG wrote:
This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much...
This is a result of the last few years lack of success IMO... 5 years without a win and all of a sudden its too much trouble.

If the US guys dont come, its thier loss, the event is huge with or without them, if matterley is anything like the last one there , it will be off the scale.

ns503 wrote:
Disagree completely on the first part. Unless you're just talking about the USA not showing up to race wherever the race is. Budds 2007 had it...
Disagree completely on the first part. Unless you're just talking about the USA not showing up to race wherever the race is.

Budds 2007 had it all - a big US victory, and huge (HUGE) crowd. If it had been worth it in the end, after all that, some of the rest of the big track owners in the US would be looking for ways to host this race. They have all avoided it since - except for Colorado, which I think turned out bad $ wise for everyone except YS. These track owners talk to each other - seems pretty apparent that everything is stacked in YS favor for hosting this event, on this side of the pond at least - and all the risk is on the track owners.

I was also thinking about a Cali vacation this time next year - guess I can stop thinking about that.
the impression i got as to why it cost so much is the changes Youthstream demanded from them (budds creek). This is why that shitty start sits on the infield now instead of on top of the hill. They had to get a ton of dirt to fill in a pond among other things. plus im sure the "fee" to host wasnt cheap either.

I was already planning on attending GH for the MXDN and with it in Cali im sure drawing a large crowd wouldnt be an issue. You can't look at the GP as a good measure because it was at the end of the season of a shit ton of races (we have over 30 mx&sx) and many of our US guys didnt show because they're burnt and they aint making money. plus Cali already gets 7 races so most everyone has blown their money going to an SX or an MX let alone a Gp that has little interest for us.

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