Brian Moreau Update - From Brian

Nighttrain wrote:

They sat him up on a quad while moving off the track? Shouldn’t Moreau have been strapped on a board that is so common in NFL...

They sat him up on a quad while moving off the track? Shouldn’t Moreau have been strapped on a board that is so common in NFL games?

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

I don't know...I'm no expert. Ping commented about this on The Whisky Throttle safety episode...it sounds as if the boards are being phased out.

Dirty Points wrote:

The boards are being phased out because they are being replaced with other immobilization devices, and to reduce incorrectly applied use in applications where immobilization is...

The boards are being phased out because they are being replaced with other immobilization devices, and to reduce incorrectly applied use in applications where immobilization is less critical than other factors -- not because the current method for transporting somebody suffering from an SCI is to drag them by their torso, then prop them upright in the bed of a mule, bouncing them around the track, all without even pausing the sport's ongoing practice.

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

I don't know...I'm no expert. Ping commented about this on The Whisky Throttle safety episode...it sounds as if the boards are being phased out.

Dirty Points wrote:

The boards are being phased out because they are being replaced with other immobilization devices, and to reduce incorrectly applied use in applications where immobilization is...

The boards are being phased out because they are being replaced with other immobilization devices, and to reduce incorrectly applied use in applications where immobilization is less critical than other factors -- not because the current method for transporting somebody suffering from an SCI is to drag them by their torso, then prop them upright in the bed of a mule, bouncing them around the track, all without even pausing the sport's ongoing practice.

rileymx wrote:

it is a matter of safety protocole procedures.....i have seen the same other times, the cooper webb crash this year for exemple, hard hit with is...

it is a matter of safety protocole procedures.....i have seen the same other times, the cooper webb crash this year for exemple, hard hit with is back on concrete and again i didnt see a procedure to minimize spinal injuries...
this is a very serious subject, specially in a dangerous sport, there are protocoled procedures to assist fallen rides, even to take out the helmet....its seen in motogp, dakar, sbk
i think it urges to review the action on the medical crew on track, it is not a cool 18 wheeler and a few mules that make for a good medical assistence, and minimizing the impact of any injury should be the purpose of said staff......

Motofinne wrote:

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how...

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how the medical crew handled Brians case.

rileymx wrote:

i am well aware i dont have the right to say that the medical crew is to blame for the kids injury, i never said anything...

i am well aware i dont have the right to say that the medical crew is to blame for the kids injury, i never said anything like that. But i am not going to burrie my head in the dirt and hope to pass unnoticed......which i unfortunatly find to be the american way of dealing with such subjects....
i think that at this point not even the specialist doctors can say that the exact injury was cause by the way he was caried and not only by the crash itself, but for me the big thing is that i also think they cant say it wasnt !!!!!! and the way i saw him being carried, seated on the back of a mule, makes think that it could only get worse......
i have been a fan of motorsports for a long time, i have seen the paramedics evolve a long way, but i also have seen things these days in sx that really surprised me, the cooper webb crash for a latest exemple !!!!,
i see it as a problem of procedures protocole, rules by which they have to act despite what idea given by the crash. even just the simple act of taking the helmet off as a proper safety procedure....
i am also very surprised to not see anything written, or talked about, anywhere in the american specialist media, every other important interview posted on motoverte.com takes minutes to have its discution in here (vital), this is a big subject !!! health and safety of the riders should be priority, still no one is ready to discuss this particular subject. you only read fan crying about how many injuries happen and the amount of top riders that dont compete and where to put astrix, but when this discutions come up no one cares.....
i know this is the american way......i am never going to get used to it
maybe when it happens to one of the american big stars, maybe then you all will be worried about !!!!!!!!

Motofinne wrote:

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how...

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how the medical crew handled Brians case.

Motofinne wrote:

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how...

I apologize if i'm wrong and have missed it but it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been any follow up from any media outlets regarding how the medical crew handled Brians case.

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

Personally, I think the mx media outlets are right in staying out of it until all the facts are known. I'm guessing it's out of respect...

Personally, I think the mx media outlets are right in staying out of it until all the facts are known. I'm guessing it's out of respect for the medical crews. If so...kudos to them.

Wouldn't it be great if the world news outlets would STFU without speculating, "investigating" and spreading their personal views on everyone when most of them don't know their @ss from a hole in the ground?

Do we want CNN or FOX news type reporting from our mx sports media outlets too?

BMc914 wrote:

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out...

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out jumps and tight rhythm lanes not for every racer.

The Euros should have to have some kind of supercross racing experience before they are allowed to even try to qualify for a supercross night show.

It's harder for an American kid who has rode supercross to get a supercross license than the rest of the world who has no clue what to expect when they show up.

The AMA, Feld, MXGP, FIM needs to figure out a better safer way to get other riders into supercross.

BMc914 wrote:

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out...

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out jumps and tight rhythm lanes not for every racer.

The Euros should have to have some kind of supercross racing experience before they are allowed to even try to qualify for a supercross night show.

It's harder for an American kid who has rode supercross to get a supercross license than the rest of the world who has no clue what to expect when they show up.

The AMA, Feld, MXGP, FIM needs to figure out a better safer way to get other riders into supercross.

RonJon wrote:

Brian had been riding supercross since November and was killing it. Even the fastest riders in the world can be on the wrong end of a...

Brian had been riding supercross since November and was killing it. Even the fastest riders in the world can be on the wrong end of a crash sometimes and end up injured. Look at Doug Henry, Jessy Nelson, and Ernesto. To blame his lack of experience, race team, and/or the promoter is just plain wrong.

BMc914 wrote:

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out...

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out jumps and tight rhythm lanes not for every racer.

The Euros should have to have some kind of supercross racing experience before they are allowed to even try to qualify for a supercross night show.

It's harder for an American kid who has rode supercross to get a supercross license than the rest of the world who has no clue what to expect when they show up.

The AMA, Feld, MXGP, FIM needs to figure out a better safer way to get other riders into supercross.

BMc914 wrote:

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out...

The problem is the teams signing fast Motocross riders to do Supercross that have a lack of experience on that type of track. The peaked out jumps and tight rhythm lanes not for every racer.

The Euros should have to have some kind of supercross racing experience before they are allowed to even try to qualify for a supercross night show.

It's harder for an American kid who has rode supercross to get a supercross license than the rest of the world who has no clue what to expect when they show up.

The AMA, Feld, MXGP, FIM needs to figure out a better safer way to get other riders into supercross.

RonJon wrote:

Brian had been riding supercross since November and was killing it. Even the fastest riders in the world can be on the wrong end of a...

Brian had been riding supercross since November and was killing it. Even the fastest riders in the world can be on the wrong end of a crash sometimes and end up injured. Look at Doug Henry, Jessy Nelson, and Ernesto. To blame his lack of experience, race team, and/or the promoter is just plain wrong.

Motofinne wrote:

And he had been racing races like Bercy, Lille etc years before going to TLD KTM. He had experience from SX styled tracks.

Motofinne wrote:

And he had been racing races like Bercy, Lille etc years before going to TLD KTM. He had experience from SX styled tracks.

BMc914 wrote:

How about you euro ass clowns use your resources and email the alpinestars medical team and get the answers your looking for instead of bashing them...

How about you euro ass clowns use your resources and email the alpinestars medical team and get the answers your looking for instead of bashing them.
https://themedicrig.com/wordpress/
http://asterisksuperpass.com/ammc-team/

Don't have to be a media person to send a email.

BMc914 wrote:

How about you euro ass clowns use your resources and email the alpinestars medical team and get the answers your looking for instead of bashing them...

How about you euro ass clowns use your resources and email the alpinestars medical team and get the answers your looking for instead of bashing them.
https://themedicrig.com/wordpress/
http://asterisksuperpass.com/ammc-team/

Don't have to be a media person to send a email.

spimx wrote:

I already e-mailed the national registry of EMTs. But now I see the problem. None if these clinicians have experience in EMS. When would a doctor...

I already e-mailed the national registry of EMTs.
But now I see the problem. None if these clinicians have experience in EMS. When would a doctor or a nurse be in a position to extricate an unstable multi system trauma patient from a race track to an ambulance. There is no reason for nursing or medical school to teach these skills. The medical team should be comprised of Paramedics with field experience.

Nurses should not be allowed to first response even with ER experience. These situations are about assessment and intervention not patient management.

Racer142 wrote:

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits...

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits as in this case. I haven't seen the incident and wasn't there but it sounds like the neuro deficits happened as a result of the crash and not the movement since he says he touched his legs with no sensation and told the medic/doctor this(I know both are trackside but don't know who contacted him exactly) however the movement could have made things worse but it's something we will never know unfortunately.

Racer142 wrote:

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits...

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits as in this case. I haven't seen the incident and wasn't there but it sounds like the neuro deficits happened as a result of the crash and not the movement since he says he touched his legs with no sensation and told the medic/doctor this(I know both are trackside but don't know who contacted him exactly) however the movement could have made things worse but it's something we will never know unfortunately.

Dirty Points wrote:

The reason we will never know the answers to these questions is because he was transported without immobilization.

Racer142 wrote:

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits...

They are phasing out backboards because there is virtually no evidence they work. They generally are still indicated where an accident occurs with new neurological deficits as in this case. I haven't seen the incident and wasn't there but it sounds like the neuro deficits happened as a result of the crash and not the movement since he says he touched his legs with no sensation and told the medic/doctor this(I know both are trackside but don't know who contacted him exactly) however the movement could have made things worse but it's something we will never know unfortunately.

Dirty Points wrote:

The reason we will never know the answers to these questions is because he was transported without immobilization.

spimx wrote:

Again backboards durring transport are no longer the standard head immobilizers and cervical collar are still standard. Brian should have been moved from the track on...

Again backboards durring transport are no longer the standard head immobilizers and cervical collar are still standard. Brian should have been moved from the track on the board with cervical collar and head immobilizers and transported on the cot without the backboard. Everything about the extrication from the track was bad.

spimx wrote:

The medical team was nonfeasant or misfesant.

Question wrote:

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old. [embed][/embed] - Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018...

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old.



- Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018, which got him the TLD ride
- trained the full winter under Baker, Brown and Musquin (plus his team and team mates)
- followed by the french federation since forevever (i.e. training at saint d'angely at age 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HQLGdZsXg
- raced in GP at 15 years old against Hunter Lawrence & co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RLsobOesEE
- and i think he is both 85 and 125 world champ ...

I mean, he is young, but it is not like it is his first time on a sx track or racing at the pro level. A bad crash can happen to anyone.

I think the medias want to see how he recovers before saying anything, and it may take a year, and they may not even talk about it until it is settled legally because they don't want to burn bridges.

I am saying legally because if he doesn't recover for sure the protocol will be watched, everybody has seen what happened. And sincerely, if he can't recover, it is 10x better to settle it legally through insurances because I would not like to deal personally with his family on that matter, I won't go into details but they are really not from a group of people to not respect ...

In all cases, I hope he will recover. I follow him on facebook and try to send some likes anytime i see his posts, any positive vibe to cheer him up is what is necessary right now.

Question wrote:

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old. [embed][/embed] - Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018...

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old.



- Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018, which got him the TLD ride
- trained the full winter under Baker, Brown and Musquin (plus his team and team mates)
- followed by the french federation since forevever (i.e. training at saint d'angely at age 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HQLGdZsXg
- raced in GP at 15 years old against Hunter Lawrence & co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RLsobOesEE
- and i think he is both 85 and 125 world champ ...

I mean, he is young, but it is not like it is his first time on a sx track or racing at the pro level. A bad crash can happen to anyone.

I think the medias want to see how he recovers before saying anything, and it may take a year, and they may not even talk about it until it is settled legally because they don't want to burn bridges.

I am saying legally because if he doesn't recover for sure the protocol will be watched, everybody has seen what happened. And sincerely, if he can't recover, it is 10x better to settle it legally through insurances because I would not like to deal personally with his family on that matter, I won't go into details but they are really not from a group of people to not respect ...

In all cases, I hope he will recover. I follow him on facebook and try to send some likes anytime i see his posts, any positive vibe to cheer him up is what is necessary right now.

D_L118 wrote:

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of. What do you mean by " a group of...

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of.
What do you mean by " a group of people"?

Question wrote:

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old. [embed][/embed] - Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018...

I.e. racing the pro class in 125 in 2016, just after turning 14 years old.



- Raced the all stars at the MEC in 2018, which got him the TLD ride
- trained the full winter under Baker, Brown and Musquin (plus his team and team mates)
- followed by the french federation since forevever (i.e. training at saint d'angely at age 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HQLGdZsXg
- raced in GP at 15 years old against Hunter Lawrence & co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RLsobOesEE
- and i think he is both 85 and 125 world champ ...

I mean, he is young, but it is not like it is his first time on a sx track or racing at the pro level. A bad crash can happen to anyone.

I think the medias want to see how he recovers before saying anything, and it may take a year, and they may not even talk about it until it is settled legally because they don't want to burn bridges.

I am saying legally because if he doesn't recover for sure the protocol will be watched, everybody has seen what happened. And sincerely, if he can't recover, it is 10x better to settle it legally through insurances because I would not like to deal personally with his family on that matter, I won't go into details but they are really not from a group of people to not respect ...

In all cases, I hope he will recover. I follow him on facebook and try to send some likes anytime i see his posts, any positive vibe to cheer him up is what is necessary right now.

D_L118 wrote:

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of. What do you mean by " a group of...

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of.
What do you mean by " a group of people"?

Question wrote:

D_L118 wrote:

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of. What do you mean by " a group of...

He's a talent for sure. I think he was ready to show what he was capable of.
What do you mean by " a group of people"?

Question wrote:

spimx wrote:

Damn someone drinking a little.