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According to some suspension tuners in the buiss the airfork maybe lighter but its also bit messy for the average riding joe to tune. And personaly i like the idea of air but im not to fancy to check pressure when i want to ride, with the springs is just easy maintence.
Wirdeman at Twotwo thought they brought the air to production side of things maybe a bit to early. I think KTM will let the others major brands do those years of hard tuning no mans land r&d before they release anything to the production.
I agree with you - there is no substitute for seat time (for test comparisons) - and also agree that WP is about as good as most other suspension. Certainly more than enough for what your average rider would want.
I also agree about people complaining making excuses for poor performance!!!
This year should be the last year they use the bike wich is virtualy the same since 08. And no they will not make some minor changes like they done in the past. It would be there 8th year and they are already in progress with it, but no pictures have been leaked.
Honda making new bikes every third year, KTM have been chaning i think every fourth, I am excited to see a brand new suzuki coming for roczen to race in 2016 or 17. They been talking about it at Pulp MX bike reviews also.
The Shop
you're a cosmetically oriented dude.
learn the difference of the word Virtualy pls : for the most part; almost wholly; just about.
They made some frame changes engine changes trough the year, but the cosmetics been the same.
Ofc they updated suspension but the bike is based on the 2008 platform.
You can use the same graphics on a 2008 rmz 450 on a 2015 rmz 450 how come? The cosmetics is the same, the plastics. I think they pretty much left the Suzuki 450 rmz for 2012 and just bolted on new suspension and some small pieces and different graphics.
Honda made a new bike new cosmetics 2009, then again 2013 /, KTM 2009, and new bike for 2010 and yet again new cosmestics in 2012.
And Kawi been changing a whole lot, not as much as Honda or KTM
and we all know Yamaha made huge cosmetics changes with the new bike they released for bubba in 2010.
the rumors about the new 450 have been around the net for a years, so I will believe it when I see it.
until then, I am gonna pick up a 2015 rmz, bolt on my rekluse and Yosh system from my 09 and go ride, LOL.
Jesus dude, you have replied in this thread 41 times in the last 2 days. Take a deep breath.
Yeah see your rekluse and yosh from 09 works on a 15 zuke, maybe this O___o dude should get his fact straight about the rmz 450.
Weight of a 2 stroke. Ease of ride of a 4 stroke.
Cant wait to demo one of these babies in the woods.
the 2001 RM250 was a dog compared to the 2003, the 2004 was much better, as was the 2005 and so on yet they all looked the same.
if the 2015 wasn't significantly better than my 2009, I wouldn't be getting one. Its just a bonus that my trick parts will transfer over.
I suppose I will have to live with the fact that it looked dated, but then again Jimmy Stewart and K-Roc chose to race the old dog too.
Performance and good enough is irrelevant unless you still think you're trying to turn pro. Most people are just talking about direct comparisons of comfort that they get from the bike... does it make them feel good, does it transition harshness etc... Again. All comments that often come back from KTM people.
Three of my mates and me, all on 13/14 ktms, revalved and sprung, 3 coming of SSS yamahas and a 09 suzuki, no one says their suspension is as good stock or after setup... Different setups by different tuners too.
Which was entirely my point. Not as happy and struggle to get it to work as well as other brands across a range of surfaces, not that no one is happy or can't be...
some people make me laugh- do yourself favour, get that bike out this weekend instead of trying to pick arguments with people on here, you never know- you might actually enjoy it! i know its a tall order, with the terrible suspension...
I like the new design- i'd be more interested in the performance than the aesthetics though. If the 350 really is 9ibs lighter?! (surely that can't be right?!) and more powerful across a broader range then it will be the bike to have this year! I already love my 2015 350, think it has more than enough power for most people. Be interested to see some spec sheets/ have a go on one of the 'factory edition' 15s, ready to trade mine in for a stock 16 model when they come out!!
There is a reason you can put your stuff from 09 on a 15th bike cause the bike is virtualy the same ( a good thing do in my opinion if you are a loyal fan to a brand)
You can not bolt on stuff from 2009 Honda onto a 2015 Honda
You can not bolt on stuff from a 2009 KTM onto a 2015 KTM,
You can not bolt on stuff from a kawi from 2009 onto a 2015 kawasaki
You can not bolt on anything from a Yamaha 2009 onto a 2015 Yamaha
Why? Well we all know that by know dont we? Except this particular Canadian troll.
He said: if you think the suzuki has been virtually the same since 08....
you're a cosmetically oriented dude.
Pit Row
Different angle
mikebrownsound, chill the fuck out, I wasn't even talking about you. your 2016 KTM cheerleading is bordering on bizarre at this point anyway.
EICMA 2014: KTM 350 SX-F FACTORY – THE LEADER STAYS THE LEADER
POSTED IN BIKES, RACING
The covers are off the MXGP title-winning factory bike. Here’s the low-down on the changes …
Cairoli 350 1
It is about time that one of the most important dirt bikes in the world was given hearty fanfare. For five years in a row KTM’s 350 SX-F has been an FIM World Championship winner in the hands of Red Bull KTM’s Tony Cairoli and has rightly been offered as the ideal solution between those wanting the agility of a 250 and the power of a 450. In Cairoli’s hands the 350 has proven its mettle when it comes to racing on all types of terrain, to taking holeshots and for reliability; indeed the only recorded DNF due to a mechanical problem for the Sicilian was in the second moto of the 2013 British Grand Prix … and that was only after ‘222’ had given the motorcycle copious abuse in celebration of his fifth consecutive world crown after the first race.
“… the ideal solution between those wanting the agility of a 250 and the power of a 450.”
There is little doubt that the 350 suited a slight but strong racing Pro like Cairoli from its introduction as a brainchild of former racers Stefan Everts and Pit Beirer in 2010 but it was also the tool with which Belgian athlete Kevin Strijbos toasted podium finishes and claimed a British Championship in 2012 and thus resurrected his career in the process.
Cairoli has adopted minimal changes to his race bike in the last four seasons. It is even alleged that he used the same basic prototype chassis since that inaugural version in 2010, finding the first model the most effective for the range of conditions and challenges for the eighteen round FIM MXGP series. For 2015 and this startling factory bike however KTM have re-shaped and re-sharpened the animal and one of their most impactful and influential machines now has a new form.
Tony Cairoli´s KTM 350 SX-F Factory
Tony Cairoli´s KTM 350 SX-F Factory
So, what’s the standout? What really captured the eye when Cairoli whipped off the covers at the 2014 EICMA show in Milan this week?
The sculptors at Mattighofen have been busy. A lighter stainless steel frame with a new sub-frame, a newly designed cast aluminium swing-arm with re-designed linkage and new ergonomically refined bodywork: ‘new’ is the word. The weight saving is said to be around a hefty five kilos which is going to have obvious repercussions on rideability.
“The weight saving is said to be around a hefty five kilos which is going to have obvious repercussions on rideability.”
KTM’s mantra with the KTM 350 SX-F Factory is: ‘Reduced weight, increased functionality and better ergonomics’ and one of the ways in which they have aimed for this is through a slimmer, more compact powerplant for better centralisation. The engine itself – Cairoli’s works 350 was even subjected to an FIM inspection at the Spanish GP this year after rival teams had doubts on the spec in relation to the power and performance achieved, needless to say it was verified as a 350 – has apparently been given a boost. KTM are vague on the details and will only state: ‘The DOHC engine communicates with the state-of-the-art Keihin engine management, but everything else is a company secret. For us it is all about the World Championship!’
Agostini’s MV, Sheene’s RG, Bayle’s CR, Rainey’s YZR, Doohan’s NSR, Rossi’s M1, Smets 500SX, Everts’ YZ … motorcycle racing has numerous iconic models associated with some of the legends of the sport and various disciplines. Maybe it is too soon to really embrace and appreciate the 350 and Cairoli link, but there is little doubt that the combination has made a ‘crater’ in the 58 year record book of the FIM Motocross World Championship.
So basically by this text some of the new things is :
Lighter Chromoly frame,
New Subframe
New aluminium Swing arm
New Linkage
New Bodywork
Around 5 kilos lighter weight saving, idk sounds much but we will see
More compact powerplant for centralisation
New Keihin fuel injection management
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