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Just wondering . It's one of those political buzzwords now ,that people have started to use to describe things in ways that are sometimes outside of the words written definition . I want to understand what You mean when You use the word. No gotcha question here. And what You dislike about those concepts. Don't take this question as my endorsement of either. I'm not looking to argue about Your statement .

Wsx pays the teams then the teams pay the rider could have been on the team.

Plenty of time to figure that out later. Right now it's more important to be offended, espouse baseless theories, and generally spread misery. Try to keep up.

I nominate this thread for Hall of Fame

I don't remember the last time I voted without showing ID

I do agree but the numbers are so minimal that they make zero difference in the elections. This has been shown by Right wing groups that have audit the US elections for over 20 years. That being said the Save act would cut off more eligible voters by huge numbers and would affect the elections. So that the entire point of the Save act. It not trying to stop non citizens from voting, it trying to stop certain group of citizens. We need more citizens voting not less. Oh who it helps it does matter, it shouldn’t make it harder...

I don't think anyone is against voter ID or accurate and fair elections. Its putting roadblocks in place to keep a large amount of population from voting that is the issue.

You could also say that its Irony that Trump constantly complains about fake news, and then supporters complain when the news cuts away from him lying. Sean Hannity ,Trump's friend even "fact checked " him on some of his claims. And I'm glad when ANY politician gets called out on their lies. That is literally one of the job's of the press. To expose when the government lies and hold them accountable. That is why the founders gave freedom of the press.

I think it’s interesting that many of the same people who insist California’s count is suspicious simply because it took several days had no apparent problem with Donald Trump personally calling Georgia officials weeks after the election and asking them to ‘find’ exactly enough votes to overturn the certified result. Apparently ballots counted according to state law are evidence of fraud, but asking election officials to locate 11,780 votes after the election isn’t? That seems like it should be difficult to reconcile.

Have ineligible voters voted in our elections. Yes probably. Is it an epidemic problem? I haven’t seen the proof. An example of 4 people being charged. Ok there are probably others. I would rather accept that a tiny amount of fraudulent votes are being cast(they can still be rejected during tabulation), than alienate elderly, poor and lower middle class. The only thing I see is a cry baby sowing doubt in our election processes (except the ones he wins, odd) so he can claim the results in November illegitimate cause republicans are going to get absolutely cooked.

If any of that stuff he was spewing was remotely true, it would be taken to the courts and not a prime time TV propaganda piece. Oh wait, maybe they already tried that?

Sometimes truth hurts.