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You also need to connect with a rider. Bubba is my guy and he sure has made the season interesting for me. I think we look back at an era that was best for us but that's because you connected with so many riders at the same time (similar age, you thought you were going to be that fast, and you were racing all the time). If the season is bland, the riders must not be doing it for you for some reason. I do wonder if, when I'm 70 yrs old, I'll still get jazzed about a 17 year old ripping around the track. Anyway, not bored yet and somebody always steps it up and sets a new bar.
I also watch the race live or shut down the net and watch it pseudo-live when it airs. It's really hard not to get twitter updates, etc during the race but it sure does make it exciting when the race is on.
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WWoS carlsbad usgp showing was hugely popular so maybe not...not sure what the national interest numbers are now vs then
My buddy just picked up a really good condition 2003 CR 250 2 stroke for $1800.00 !
as for yer first part...MOTO TV was so new to us...now WEB MX is so old...so to speak. don't mean that in a derogatory way either...if ya know what i mean,.
As for the other comments, a guy named Lawrence Hamm here in Winnipeg, Manitoba (yes, Matthes birthplace), has started a new club and you have to be over 30 yrs of age, and you can bring your kids to come and ride very low key, and the vet guys get a chance to ride their current and vintage bikes in an old school environment, with a much lower cost attached to the day. This is a key point-price of gas, price of entry fees, price of gate fees-did I say price of gas? Hey, we still want to get out and twist the throttle, we just don't want to wait 4 hrs between our 3 lap motos anymore. This is what has turned me off more than anything else. I pay good money for a bike, equipment, travel, etc and I want to ride decent laps. I want a 12-15 minute moto. I try to stay in shape for this sport at 48. To go to all the trouble to go to a race, for 3 and 4 laps just pisses me off.
I hope we see a resurgence of these kind of clubs so we can have some fun and get our monies worth. I don't mind paying, but not when I figure its going to cost me 60-70 bucks a lap by the time I add everything up.
This video is proof. There is some awsome riding in this video but honestly, do you see todays riders making mistakes like some you see here? I watched this video 5 times since DirtyBagger posted it up in the Henry thread. I watched the JS and Pourcel videos from the last couple of days once each. Its the times that has changed, not the interest or desire as someone insinuated in an earlier post.
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But I'd say-as was previously mentioned-I don't always watch all the races over and over again any more, because there is so much MX/SX media available every day. In the 90's, the only info I'd get would be from the magazine stand at the supermarket, and when the races were on TV...I never got my fill. So I'd watch races over and over again. Now, between the mags, message boards, youtube, and everything else, it's almost mx overload every single day. No need to watch the races over and over again (I'm watching SLC again becaues there is nothing else on TV tonight, and I like compaing the TV broadcast to the live experience).
For people who can think for themselves and recognize the high water marks in the development of RACING MACHINES instead of MARKETING MACHINES, it's 100% possible to have all those good things you mentioned, AND avoid the Fukushima Fooper engine from Queen of Spodes's photos.
While MARKETING MACHINES have progressed forward by leaps and bounds, the RACING MACHINES have gone a few steps backward in many ways.
Unfortunately, 4 strokes have had an adverse and dulling affect on the sport because of their expense and mechanical absurdity and also because the experience of riding your own bike, and watching others ride and race gets transformed into something a little less exciting in general.
Why is the racing a little more boring for the spectators? You only have to think it over for a second.
The technique of going through a turn fast on a 2 stroke is mind blowing to watch and the arch of the turn is widely variable, especially for the top pros of course. This also holds true for the rest of the track in a general way. The techniques of riding at the top levels on a 2 stroke are more visible and demonstrative in most places on the track so you feel like there's more to see. 2 stroke bikes and riders seem to have more eventful laps with more visible skimming and roosting, wheelies, weightless floating, powersliding and brake sliding, while 4 strokes move in a less explicit manner.
2 Strokes look more exciting going around a track by themselves, so it's no wonder they made for more exiting action before they were excluded from Pro Racing.
The big TV Commercial that forms our sports pro level was just better to witness before. I'm happy to see grass roots racing starting to go that way again as this groundswell of public opinion continues to rise.
I say congratulations to the proponents of "Poor man's motocross".
They just may have sniffed out and rejected the motorcycle industry's "New Coke", the flumpy 4 stroke motocross bike.
Smart move!
Everything about motocross just seemed more fun, and its hard to describe unless you were around then. It was easier to relate to the heroes and stars - it wasn't a super-training era. MTF-type facilities did not exist. Guys didn't live on high-security compounds. They rode in the hills and at Glamis together. They seemed more like regular people. There's not a McGrath, Emig, Dowd or Henry in the bunch now.
Costs were so much less. A kid and his Dad could pick up a used 125 on the cheap and get started racing. Everybody got started that way. Four strokes have completely destroyed that. I used to see the same people at the track year in and year out, but high costs drive people into the poorhouse. Now you typically see someone race for 3 years and they're done.
Seeing the races live on TV is something I never thought would happen, and I love it, but there's no denying a lot of the anticipation is lost. I used to hoard my VHS tapes of the Nationals like they were made of gold.
I still love MX and could never see myself quitting. I just think some changes made in the name of progress have killed a lot of the cool things about the sport.
It's a natural and powerful human behaviour to recall mostly the best things and subconsciously forget or ignore negative or undesirable things. In other words, people almost always recall past eras and events to be better than they really were.
With that being said , when I first jumped on a 4 stroke in 2002 , it brought back memories of my riding when i was 8-12 yrs old riding an XR 75.....seriously , it was that fun to me! I haven't gone back to the 2 strokes since then.
Don't get me wrong....I would love to pick up on a great used CR 250.....and will again here as soon as I can afford it.
BUT....I also ride a 450 , which to me , is a lot cheaper to run than a 250F maintenance wise. I do feel bad for the kids that don't have a lot of money , because keeping up on a 250F can be expensive! the 450's I have had.....Honestly.....seem to be cheaper to me than when I was running 2 strokes! It seemed like I was always slapping top ends in those things , along with all the other regular stuff you have to change like tires , sprockets -n- chains , bars , levers.....the regular stuff.
When i was riding all the time , I would go through the top end on my 450 , with new rings , maybe a new piston if it needed , some new valves ( or just a shimming ) and I got 3-1/2 years out of my last 450.....and she was still going strong when I sold it!
My friend Cliff ( which is a member here as well ) has beat the living crap out of his 2004 CRF450.....and it's still going strong! he's selling it now , to buy a new 2011 450.
So you see.....it's different from other people perspective. i for one , love my 450 and wouldn't trade it for anything. The 2 strokes are really cool to me still , but I just prefer my 450.
I think the racing is less exciting on 4strokes. They do things that couldn't be done on a twostroke, but it still looks easy.
I admired Everts record on the Yamaha 450, but I didn't enjoy watching him the same way as I enjoyed watching Pichon trying to keep up with him on a 250 twostroke. On twostrokes is fun to just watch a good rider. On 4strokes it takes some really exciting, tight racing to make it interesting. The sound of factory 125's was just amazing too.
I really miss the twostrokes, leaving all the politics besides.
Some are talking about the nationals. Some are talking about local racing.
I will talk about the latter.
Yes indeed, poor man's PARTICIPANT motocross is gone.
RIP
The chances of us seeing another Hannah, Cooper, and Kiedrowski are rapidly shrinking.
It is all Big Haulers and Rvs.
Preteen kids with trainers that only race big events and hang out at the new hot training facility while being home schooled and hiring PR people to address any changes in pro racing rules years before they even turn pro.
To make it worse, cheating is widespread. Big Bore 50cc, 5cc, and 85cc machines are so common that threats of random teardowns bring out legal challenges.
RIders blow up a 250f and just go get another one off the overhead storage in the hauler while Joe pickup is done for the weekend, and probably the next 4 or 5 weekends.
It is sad.
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