Matthes on CP

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4/28/2011 8:37am
Fearo wrote:
I can't believe some of you guys. A rookie? Really? The guy is a world champion. Not to mention he came back from an injury that...
I can't believe some of you guys. A rookie? Really? The guy is a world champion. Not to mention he came back from an injury that left him PARALYSED FOR A YEAR.

There was a great interview in a French magazine where Pourcel stated that he will not ride if the money's not right, but that's not the biggest issue, and I believe that. Pourcel is a man of loyalty and he has always been with a team that was like a 'home' to him. In Europe he rode for the GPKR Kawasaki team, which was at that time being run by his father and he had his brother as his teammate.

Then he came to the US, got the deal with Mitch and then he had the injury. Mitch had his back the whole time (over a year of little to no riding), and Pourcel appreciates that so much to this day, that I am confident that he would sign a contract until the end of his career with Mitch if he could.
MXMattii wrote:
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really?? United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc 1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken 2 11 RAMON Steve...
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really??

United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc

1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken
2 11 RAMON Steve
3 377 POURCEL Christophe
4 2 STRIJBOS Kevin
5 75 VAN DAELE Marvin
6 141 DE REUVER Marc
7 8 PRIEM Manuel
8 21 THEYBERS Danny
9 77 VERHOEVEN Bas
10 381 SIMPSON Shaun

The guy his 3th race on a 450cc and he owned the vice world champion.
his "3th" race?
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4/28/2011 8:48am
jamma10 wrote:
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'. Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in...
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'.

Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in the East West SX Shootout in 2009? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Dungey during the 2009 season? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Canard during the 2010 season? Yes.

Simple.
you never talk TITLES because it doesnt suite your opinion. Fact of the matter is that yes CP did beat both of those guys on occaision but he also lost sx/outdoor titles to them as well.....That is true. To use the word "spank" is idiotic.....
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4/28/2011 8:54am
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
How do you figure that he is set for life? Sure the guy has made a pretty penny racing dirt bikes, but a dollar doesn't go nearly as far as it used to, in the United States or France.

If he is comfortable with what he has and wants to step away from the sport, that's fine. More power to him, it's a smart decision.

But in today's day and age it takes A LOT of money to be considered set for life.
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4/28/2011 8:54am
Why is he in the position he is in?

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4/28/2011 8:55am
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also.
Do you know he has made enough to be set for life? I dont know how much they make in the GPs, but I dont think being a lites rider pays well enough to set him for life. How many completely retired racers are there? I can honestly not think of one.
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4/28/2011 9:02am
Geico should have paid the win bonus. He's not gong to get any over alls anyway against the two Ryan's. Dude folds faster then a wilted rose during the middle of summer in TX. First moto specialist, but there are 2 on Saturday afternoon.
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4/28/2011 9:11am
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also. Do you know he has made enough to...
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also.
Do you know he has made enough to be set for life? I dont know how much they make in the GPs, but I dont think being a lites rider pays well enough to set him for life. How many completely retired racers are there? I can honestly not think of one.
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided that and not bash him for it.

I'm not 100% sure of his finances but I understand he's pretty much set.
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4/28/2011 9:28am
UpTiTe wrote:
You heard here first, he will ride for Mitch on a 250.
zero chance of that happening.
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4/28/2011 9:32am
the funny thing in all this is that when he was racing the ama series, a lot of boobirds were at the podiums shit talking is racing and telling him to go back home...........
now those same boobirds that can't stand him come here shit talking him for not racing and staying at home.......!!! go figure the great american fans..........
i really dont understand the need to go out of your own inteligence just to put down someone that is one of the best at a sport you say you love........i'm not a fan of him also....and dont care much what he does with his life..........but for sure regret not being able to see him ride an mx bike as he is one of the gifted ones at it....so i just leave him to his life, even if i dont agree with his ways.......and hope to see him back racing again.......don't you...????????
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4/28/2011 9:32am
jamma10 wrote:
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'. Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in...
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'.

Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in the East West SX Shootout in 2009? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Dungey during the 2009 season? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Canard during the 2010 season? Yes.

Simple.
Huckster wrote:
you never talk TITLES because it doesnt suite your opinion. Fact of the matter is that yes CP did beat both of those guys on occaision...
you never talk TITLES because it doesnt suite your opinion. Fact of the matter is that yes CP did beat both of those guys on occaision but he also lost sx/outdoor titles to them as well.....That is true. To use the word "spank" is idiotic.....
Dungey and Canard thoroughly deserved their Motocross titles, they earned the most points, but Johan905 never mentioned titles.

'spank', 'pwned', 'smoked, 'waxed' etc ... they're all melodramatic terms used by American forum members in here all the time.
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4/28/2011 9:32am
jamma10 wrote:
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'. Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in...
Whatever, we're not talking titles. You took issue with statement that Pourcel used to 'spank Dungey and Canard'.

Did he beat both Canard & Dungey in the East West SX Shootout in 2009? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Dungey during the 2009 season? Yes.
Did he on occasion beat Canard during the 2010 season? Yes.

Simple.
Huckster wrote:
you never talk TITLES because it doesnt suite your opinion. Fact of the matter is that yes CP did beat both of those guys on occaision...
you never talk TITLES because it doesnt suite your opinion. Fact of the matter is that yes CP did beat both of those guys on occaision but he also lost sx/outdoor titles to them as well.....That is true. To use the word "spank" is idiotic.....
Ok first i´m sorry for using the word "spank" but english is not my spoken language. I just felt it was kind of weird to think of Pourcel like maybe a top 5-10 guy in 450 just because he is "unproven" we all know he is better than that and just like Dungey and Canard he will deliver!
Also kind of sad to hear that people will boo him when he shows up for the nationals...why?? Maybe i just don´t understand the mentality of some american fans!?
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4/28/2011 9:37am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2011 9:38am
dv12.com wrote:
Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
Ha, that's priceless if you guys get what I mean. I know you DV know more about this than all of us combine, just being a french guy in the US is a topic itself. But I would almost kill to get the inside info concerning CP vs the teams as the salary talk, what makes CP tic and how the conversations goes between him and his friends, agent and other riders.

Dunno what the hell is going around this kid, but for me this whole CP deal, his persona, injury, comeback and tight bounds with Mitch Payton is book material for me!

Still, this all will turn out totally crappy for me if he will not end up with a ride.

DV, do you have any more cool info concerning this young lad without burning any bridges?
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4/28/2011 9:41am
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Ok first i´m sorry for using the word "spank" but english is not my spoken language. I just felt it was kind of weird to think...
Ok first i´m sorry for using the word "spank" but english is not my spoken language. I just felt it was kind of weird to think of Pourcel like maybe a top 5-10 guy in 450 just because he is "unproven" we all know he is better than that and just like Dungey and Canard he will deliver!
Also kind of sad to hear that people will boo him when he shows up for the nationals...why?? Maybe i just don´t understand the mentality of some american fans!?
no worries and understood. As for the haters, dont get to worked up over it. It's not an American thing, its a Human being thing. People are jealous by nature. CP is a great rider and no matter what he does there will be people booing him. Same goes for every rider out there that is successful. You have to be able to recognize and understand that there are a lot of questions when it comes to CP on a 450. I am sure he is blazing fast but his health and ability to finish a season is a big question. Combine that with his asking price and you can get an idea of why he has yet to be signed....
4/28/2011 10:50am
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
I seem to remember that Chad guy being in the same spot in the last few years.

I don't get it either. A lot of guys on here think that these PROfessional racers should just race for the fun of it and for their pride.
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4/28/2011 11:02am
I really don't get some of the slamming going on here towards CP. The guy is a proven champion , wants to race , but not for pennies. He also came back from a life threatening / career ending wreck a few years ago........and is still willing to race bikes.

The money argument is one thing......but to not back him as a great racer wanting to be out there from what he has been though.......amazes me. What he is asking for , weather it's $100,000 or $1,000,000.........is his choice.

IMHO......I'm glad he's trying to get a ride for the nationals , and hope things work out for him. I really want to see him out there!
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4/28/2011 11:04am
TriRacer27 wrote:
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back...
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back but if he keeps this up, he can watch at home with the rest of us and leave the bike for someone who really wants to race.
rookie? you need to lay down the crack pipe.
4/28/2011 11:28am
TriRacer27 wrote:
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back...
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back but if he keeps this up, he can watch at home with the rest of us and leave the bike for someone who really wants to race.
MBBadgers wrote:
rookie? you need to lay down the crack pipe.
Is the definition of a rookie defined somewhere in the rulebook?
4/28/2011 12:19pm
Never understood why everyone hates the riders for wanting to get paid.

Especially from the factories who want to get paid over 8k for a bike that doesn't even come with a usable tire.

And the energy drink companies charge 4 bucks for sugar water?
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4/28/2011 12:35pm
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also. Do you know he has made enough to...
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also.
Do you know he has made enough to be set for life? I dont know how much they make in the GPs, but I dont think being a lites rider pays well enough to set him for life. How many completely retired racers are there? I can honestly not think of one.
englishman wrote:
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided...
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided that and not bash him for it.

I'm not 100% sure of his finances but I understand he's pretty much set.
What good does it do CP if he doesn't make ANY money by not riding? If he's "all that", taking something now and beating the competition will get him what he wants next year. At least, I think that's how it works. The faster guys usually get the most money.

As far as respecting his decision, sure.....but as a moto fan.. I find it somewhat of an ELITIST stance as well... and .. quite frankly, I tend to lump him into the stereotypical "French" dude. Wink
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4/28/2011 12:40pm
Good point, how much is going to make not riding? As said before prove yourself and next year you can write your own check! People saying injury is the reason if he has doubts, that could be why he cannot get the money he wants? Doubts in his health might keep him from getting the big money. Nobody is saying for the dude not to get paid, what has he proven in the usa on a 450?
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4/28/2011 12:55pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back...
Mitch needs to talk some sense into the kid. HE'S STILL A ROOKIE for cryin out loud! Seriously I was excited about him possibly coming back but if he keeps this up, he can watch at home with the rest of us and leave the bike for someone who really wants to race.
MBBadgers wrote:
rookie? you need to lay down the crack pipe.
Is the definition of a rookie defined somewhere in the rulebook?
rook·ie/ˈro͝okē/Noun
1. A new recruit.
2. A member of an athletic team/sport in his or her first full season in that sport
4/28/2011 12:56pm
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also. Do you know he has made enough to...
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also.
Do you know he has made enough to be set for life? I dont know how much they make in the GPs, but I dont think being a lites rider pays well enough to set him for life. How many completely retired racers are there? I can honestly not think of one.
englishman wrote:
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided...
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided that and not bash him for it.

I'm not 100% sure of his finances but I understand he's pretty much set.
jbomx363 wrote:
What good does it do CP if he doesn't make [b]ANY[/b] money by not riding? If he's "all that", taking something now and beating the competition...
What good does it do CP if he doesn't make ANY money by not riding? If he's "all that", taking something now and beating the competition will get him what he wants next year. At least, I think that's how it works. The faster guys usually get the most money.

As far as respecting his decision, sure.....but as a moto fan.. I find it somewhat of an ELITIST stance as well... and .. quite frankly, I tend to lump him into the stereotypical "French" dude. Wink
Maybe it will maybe it won't. Do you know what next year holds? Aren't most teams cutting their budgets every year?

Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?
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4/28/2011 1:02pm
Perhaps a lot of us can't get our heads around a person willing to walk away from what a lot of us would give our left nut to do .

But maybe if you have those skills, been through those injuries and have lived that life it's not such a big deal to walk away if what you want isn't there.
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4/28/2011 1:02pm
englishman wrote:
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided...
My point though is he's decided the risk is worth "X" amount of dollars and he's sticking to it. We should respect the fact he's decided that and not bash him for it.

I'm not 100% sure of his finances but I understand he's pretty much set.
jbomx363 wrote:
What good does it do CP if he doesn't make [b]ANY[/b] money by not riding? If he's "all that", taking something now and beating the competition...
What good does it do CP if he doesn't make ANY money by not riding? If he's "all that", taking something now and beating the competition will get him what he wants next year. At least, I think that's how it works. The faster guys usually get the most money.

As far as respecting his decision, sure.....but as a moto fan.. I find it somewhat of an ELITIST stance as well... and .. quite frankly, I tend to lump him into the stereotypical "French" dude. Wink
Maybe it will maybe it won't. Do you know what next year holds? Aren't most teams cutting their budgets every year? Is everyone forgetting that Chad...
Maybe it will maybe it won't. Do you know what next year holds? Aren't most teams cutting their budgets every year?

Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?
Chad Reed has signed with a team every year except this one, so clearly he has not thought too much of his own worth.
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4/28/2011 2:28pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I really don't get some of the slamming going on here towards CP. The guy is a proven champion , wants to race , but not...
I really don't get some of the slamming going on here towards CP. The guy is a proven champion , wants to race , but not for pennies. He also came back from a life threatening / career ending wreck a few years ago........and is still willing to race bikes.

The money argument is one thing......but to not back him as a great racer wanting to be out there from what he has been though.......amazes me. What he is asking for , weather it's $100,000 or $1,000,000.........is his choice.

IMHO......I'm glad he's trying to get a ride for the nationals , and hope things work out for him. I really want to see him out there!
Word. Should sum it up, but NOOOOOOOOOO. Let's kick this sucker for another 10 pages of we "it's not because he's different and French", it's because xxxx xxx...
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4/28/2011 2:42pm
englishman wrote:
Perhaps a lot of us can't get our heads around a person willing to walk away from what a lot of us would give our left...
Perhaps a lot of us can't get our heads around a person willing to walk away from what a lot of us would give our left nut to do .

But maybe if you have those skills, been through those injuries and have lived that life it's not such a big deal to walk away if what you want isn't there.
I could certainly understand him saying it's not worth the money to him after what he's been through...on the other hand, a few years at a regular job making a fraction of what he could make in moto may make him wish he had taken the offers he's had.

That's the tough deal here. Very limited window of opportunity. If he wants to be on top in SX/MX, he's going to have to pull the trigger on the best deal he can get...and IMO, that deal is the best bike, not the best paycheck. He needs a great team and ride for a year or two. Get some results that make people believe he's able to compete for wins/titles for 17 rounds in SX or two moto's at a time in MX and the bank will open up.

Someone mentioned JGR as a team that wants to develop riders and so it's not a good fit, but, I actually think that would be a great fit for him if they can work together personality wise. That team is giving the riders every advantage...maybe not the biggest paychecks (don't know), but, they aren't holding anything back on bike development.
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4/28/2011 2:42pm
englishman wrote:
Perhaps a lot of us can't get our heads around a person willing to walk away from what a lot of us would give our left...
Perhaps a lot of us can't get our heads around a person willing to walk away from what a lot of us would give our left nut to do .

But maybe if you have those skills, been through those injuries and have lived that life it's not such a big deal to walk away if what you want isn't there.
Very good point.
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4/28/2011 3:13pm
MXMattii wrote:
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really?? United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc 1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken 2 11 RAMON Steve...
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really??

United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc

1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken
2 11 RAMON Steve
3 377 POURCEL Christophe
4 2 STRIJBOS Kevin
5 75 VAN DAELE Marvin
6 141 DE REUVER Marc
7 8 PRIEM Manuel
8 21 THEYBERS Danny
9 77 VERHOEVEN Bas
10 381 SIMPSON Shaun

The guy his 3th race on a 450cc and he owned the vice world champion.
Sir, never ever use the term vice world champion ever again. There's either the champion or second place in the championship none of this vice shit. Sounds horrendous.
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4/28/2011 4:34pm
MXMattii wrote:
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really?? United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc 1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken 2 11 RAMON Steve...
Amen! And unproven on a 450cc Really??

United Telecom Trophy - Moerbeke Waas - Belgian Championship 450cc

1 9 DE DIJCKER Ken
2 11 RAMON Steve
3 377 POURCEL Christophe
4 2 STRIJBOS Kevin
5 75 VAN DAELE Marvin
6 141 DE REUVER Marc
7 8 PRIEM Manuel
8 21 THEYBERS Danny
9 77 VERHOEVEN Bas
10 381 SIMPSON Shaun

The guy his 3th race on a 450cc and he owned the vice world champion.
Jarid332 wrote:
Sir, never ever use the term vice world champion ever again. There's either the champion or second place in the championship none of this vice shit...
Sir, never ever use the term vice world champion ever again. There's either the champion or second place in the championship none of this vice shit. Sounds horrendous.
Notice! But CP377 can drive a 450cc around a track he got skills. He owned guys like Desalle, De Reuver, Strijbos, Simpson, Ramon, De Dijcker. ... Al guys that are top ten in Europe and Desalle even top three in AMA (two year in row) so unproven is shit.

His agent and he maybe need to take a offer with a good bike and program?? And then own the series and get a better deal in 2012... Not riding can't be so much better then riding...
4/28/2011 4:40pm
englishman wrote:
Don't understand all the negativity. Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life. Imagine...
Don't understand all the negativity.

Imagine you were at the top of your profession and had made enough money that you were set for life.

Imagine that you had incurred an injury at work that paralysed you temporarily and left you with permanent health issues.

Imagine you've got to the point where you can see how dangerous your job is ( see above ) but if you can get paid enough you'll keep doing it at least for a little while , if not you'll do something else, because lets face it if you went to work each day knowing you could end up paralysed or worse would you do it for less than you think you are worth ??

What's not to understand here ??
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also. Do you know he has made enough to...
the negativity comes from him pricing himself out of SX, now apparently MX is a good possibility also.
Do you know he has made enough to be set for life? I dont know how much they make in the GPs, but I dont think being a lites rider pays well enough to set him for life. How many completely retired racers are there? I can honestly not think of one.
Plenty of riders have made enough to retire, they just choose to keep doing something else.

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