Kawasaki KX327

KurtJ99
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My practice princess friends run U4.4 designed for riders and racers who are not restricted by fuel rules . They jet their bikes for it; the FI bikes will adjust automatically to that is better. 

U4.4 REG contains 7.5% oxygen and uses a higher-octane blend to support strong performance in both stock and modified engine combinations. 

I'm cheap and only run the stuff at Mammoth.

 

VP Racing U4.4 REG Fuel.

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5 hours ago
FGR01 wrote:
A carb bike being "shipped rich" to avoid seizing under varying user conditions is understandable.   Applying the same logic to an EFI bike is ridiculous...

A carb bike being "shipped rich" to avoid seizing under varying user conditions is understandable.   Applying the same logic to an EFI bike is ridiculous.   That is literally the entire point of EFI - to automatically adapt the tuning to any given condition.  It should be tuned to perfection and adjust itself to maintain perfection wherever it is delivered.

Virtually none of the dirtbike EFIs are closed-loop designs that can adjust themselves ideally to conditions.

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wrc777
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KurtJ99 wrote:
My practice princess friends run U4.4 designed for riders and racers who are not restricted by fuel rules . They jet their bikes for it; the...

My practice princess friends run U4.4 designed for riders and racers who are not restricted by fuel rules . They jet their bikes for it; the FI bikes will adjust automatically to that is better. 

U4.4 REG contains 7.5% oxygen and uses a higher-octane blend to support strong performance in both stock and modified engine combinations. 

I'm cheap and only run the stuff at Mammoth.

 

VP Racing U4.4 REG Fuel.

FI bikes do not automatically adjust to fuel differences unless they have an O2 sensor. No MX bikes have O2 sensors. KTM is just adding knock sensors to the 2027 FE and 2028 regular 4t bikes.

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wrc777 wrote:
FI bikes do not automatically adjust to fuel differences unless they have an O2 sensor. No MX bikes have O2 sensors. KTM is just adding knock...

FI bikes do not automatically adjust to fuel differences unless they have an O2 sensor. No MX bikes have O2 sensors. KTM is just adding knock sensors to the 2027 FE and 2028 regular 4t bikes.

O2 sensor on a 2 stroke would be useless in a week due to the oil....

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1 hour ago Edited Date/Time 1 hour ago

KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more advanced mapping options.

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53 minutes ago
PRM31 wrote:
KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more...

KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more advanced mapping options.

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Pretty sure in years past, photos of test models have had O2 sensors frequently.  But I think people are missing the points in the last few posts.  No FI mx bike currently has any way of adjusting fueling based on A/F ratio.  

There were a few posts clipped from this morning?

 

18 minutes ago Edited Date/Time 1 minute ago
PRM31 wrote:
KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more...

KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more advanced mapping options.

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That's likely an EGT sensor. As @harescrambled mentioned above, O2 would easily foul. 

Not sure why the 2T EFI moto bikes don't come with EGT sensors like snowmobiles (maybe, as shown, the next gen KTMs will - but probably was just for R&D). I had a 22 EC250 and struggled to get 1 map that would work well for trail riding, and also for faster/sprint sections. I believe the pipe temp and appropriate changes to fueling would improve that. 

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PRM31 wrote:
KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more...

KTM testing a new 2 stroke. It has an O2 sensor. Might just be for testing ECU maps, or looking into more refined fueling and more advanced mapping options.

IMG 0670 7.jpeg?VersionId=VdgaMhYp0GkfzrpArUNg8xuH

It looks like a Bosch O2 sensor...

Bosch 15733 Oxygen Sensor | eEuroparts

It also has a knock sensor....

Knock Sensor KS4-R2 - Bosch Motorsport Dealer for Motorsport Products

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Oil will destroy the sensor eventually, but that doesn't matter for testing, KTM would swap it for a new one.

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