In his prime, there was no one better than RV2

blockhead17 wrote:

His stats are some of the best we have ever seen, but to say no one would beat him, I’ll give you this.In 2011/2012 Chad got...

His stats are some of the best we have ever seen, but to say no one would beat him, I’ll give you this.

In 2011/2012 Chad got the better of RV many times even outdoors, and probably wins that title straight up if the Chadapault didn’t happen (if my aunt had balls.. I get it)

Now Chad never had anything for RC outdoors, he was better than everyone except often KW, but usually not in the same zip code as RC.

If 8 years later Reedy has the speed to straight up beat RV at times, I have no hesitation in saying RC still dominates if you put him in a time capsule.

Tyler D wrote:

Not rhetorical, but when did reed catch and pass rv straight up outdoors 

rf928 wrote:

James laying it to him at MEC 2013 comes to mind 

FroDiddy wrote:

James was also putting 2 seconds a lap on him at Daytona.  RV is all-time great, but even with all his titles he was never RC...

James was also putting 2 seconds a lap on him at Daytona.  

RV is all-time great, but even with all his titles he was never RC or Jett dominant.  

FroDiddy wrote:

He struggled with a past prime Reed outdoors.  

rf928 wrote:

James laying it to him at MEC 2013 comes to mind 

FroDiddy wrote:

James was also putting 2 seconds a lap on him at Daytona.  RV is all-time great, but even with all his titles he was never RC...

James was also putting 2 seconds a lap on him at Daytona.  

RV is all-time great, but even with all his titles he was never RC or Jett dominant.  

USA wrote:

RV never lost a 450 motocross title, Jett just got done losing one. 

Tyler D wrote:

Not rhetorical, but when did reed catch and pass rv straight up outdoors 

drok577 wrote:

Millville 2011 2nd moto, right before the "Chadapult" crash. No doubt CR22 would have won that Championship had he not gotten hurt.

tomlopez wrote:

I think his only real "peak" year outdoors on a 450 was 2013. He absolutely schooled Dungey that year, which is difficult to do. His 2012...

I think his only real "peak" year outdoors on a 450 was 2013. He absolutely schooled Dungey that year, which is difficult to do. His 2012 and 2014 SX seasons were also insanely impressive. His dominance in SX is up there with the best ever, but he didn't do it for as long as McGrath. But, from 2011 SX to 2014 SX, he won every championship he didn't miss due to injury. That is an insane run. The only other racer to ever have that level of dominance across both disciplines was RC.

blockhead17 wrote:

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?Gotta be in it to win...

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?

Gotta be in it to win it I know, and not saying Chad had a shot at the title, but it’s not like RV was untouchable.

He was the best over the series and a deserving champion, but I think it’s easy to see the stats on paper and forget the individual races.

Chris_Buehler wrote:

RV's first full 450 season. And past prime Reed? He was 29 and riding out of his mind

FroDiddy wrote:

He struggled with a past prime Reed outdoors.  

kage173 wrote:

The only year  Reed or James ever finished ahead of RV in any championshi was 2009 when he entered his rookie season late due to injury...

The only year  Reed or James ever finished ahead of RV in any championshi was 2009 when he entered his rookie season late due to injury. Neither of them ever beat him again. Not once. When RC left, they were supposed to dominate everything.  But Ryan ended any shot they had at ever winning another championship. 

Reed was 27 and James was 24 in RVs rookie year. Both in their primes. 

His record of championships is the only one comparable to RC. He won every 450 championship he ever completed except one. And he even won one that he didn't complete. 

jemcee wrote:

The only thing I'll say to this is that's a red plate at round 7, not that it means a whole lot but still

The only thing I'll say to this is that's a red plate at round 7, not that it means a whole lot but still

tomlopez wrote:

I think his only real "peak" year outdoors on a 450 was 2013. He absolutely schooled Dungey that year, which is difficult to do. His 2012...

I think his only real "peak" year outdoors on a 450 was 2013. He absolutely schooled Dungey that year, which is difficult to do. His 2012 and 2014 SX seasons were also insanely impressive. His dominance in SX is up there with the best ever, but he didn't do it for as long as McGrath. But, from 2011 SX to 2014 SX, he won every championship he didn't miss due to injury. That is an insane run. The only other racer to ever have that level of dominance across both disciplines was RC.

blockhead17 wrote:

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?Gotta be in it to win...

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?

Gotta be in it to win it I know, and not saying Chad had a shot at the title, but it’s not like RV was untouchable.

He was the best over the series and a deserving champion, but I think it’s easy to see the stats on paper and forget the individual races.

tomlopez wrote:

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they...

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they were both riding so fast that season that it was unsustainable - he felt that one of them was going to go down hard. Chad was behind RV and trying to catch/pass him when the horrible crash occurred. I still think he was a bit more on the edge than RV was.

RV definitely wasn't absolutely untouchable. There were some nights where Dunge was a bit better (Minneapolis 2012 comes to mind), and Stew had some nights where he went god mode and couldn't be touched. 

blockhead17 wrote:

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?Gotta be in it to win...

That is completely true but in 2012 SX, Chad had RV covered on speed until (correct me if I’m wrong) Houston?

Gotta be in it to win it I know, and not saying Chad had a shot at the title, but it’s not like RV was untouchable.

He was the best over the series and a deserving champion, but I think it’s easy to see the stats on paper and forget the individual races.

tomlopez wrote:

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they...

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they were both riding so fast that season that it was unsustainable - he felt that one of them was going to go down hard. Chad was behind RV and trying to catch/pass him when the horrible crash occurred. I still think he was a bit more on the edge than RV was.

RV definitely wasn't absolutely untouchable. There were some nights where Dunge was a bit better (Minneapolis 2012 comes to mind), and Stew had some nights where he went god mode and couldn't be touched. 

jemcee wrote:

Again not that it means much but it was the first lap and Reed had just gotten into the lead RV and Dunge were right behind...

Again not that it means much but it was the first lap and Reed had just gotten into the lead RV and Dunge were right behind him.. I'd love to know what they were thinking after they saw it..

 

tomlopez wrote:

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they...

Chad was on one at the start of that season. I do recall them being essentially even in speed to start the year. RV said they were both riding so fast that season that it was unsustainable - he felt that one of them was going to go down hard. Chad was behind RV and trying to catch/pass him when the horrible crash occurred. I still think he was a bit more on the edge than RV was.

RV definitely wasn't absolutely untouchable. There were some nights where Dunge was a bit better (Minneapolis 2012 comes to mind), and Stew had some nights where he went god mode and couldn't be touched. 

jemcee wrote:

Again not that it means much but it was the first lap and Reed had just gotten into the lead RV and Dunge were right behind...

Again not that it means much but it was the first lap and Reed had just gotten into the lead RV and Dunge were right behind him.. I'd love to know what they were thinking after they saw it..

 

kage173 wrote:

Yall are talking about Chad keeping up with RV for a few races when RV beat him year after year. Its not even close. He was...

Yall are talking about Chad keeping up with RV for a few races when RV beat him year after year. Its not even close. He was not as good as Ryan.

FroDiddy wrote:

He struggled with a past prime Reed outdoors.  

kage173 wrote:

The only year  Reed or James ever finished ahead of RV in any championshi was 2009 when he entered his rookie season late due to injury...

The only year  Reed or James ever finished ahead of RV in any championshi was 2009 when he entered his rookie season late due to injury. Neither of them ever beat him again. Not once. When RC left, they were supposed to dominate everything.  But Ryan ended any shot they had at ever winning another championship. 

Reed was 27 and James was 24 in RVs rookie year. Both in their primes. 

His record of championships is the only one comparable to RC. He won every 450 championship he ever completed except one. And he even won one that he didn't complete. 

Cook441 wrote:

I saw it click for him against James in Vegas. James was winning the championship but Villo uncorked something that race (Kinda like Deegs at Shougal...

I saw it click for him against James in Vegas. James was winning the championship but Villo uncorked something that race (Kinda like Deegs at Shougal on tge 250). James tried to latch on and almost ate shit trying a tricky quad and then decided to back it down because RV had those legs squeezing that back wheel carving away from him. He was better sx rider than RC I think, but RC was unstoppable AND unbreakable with his get offs. RV a little more Fragile... when he went down...thats the biggest difference imo.