What's the best US Outdoors Venue?

9/18/2026 9:35am

Glen Helen………because Pala sucks. 

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9/18/2026 2:24pm
MoogenKen wrote:

Glen Helen………because Pala sucks. 

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the schedule? 

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9/18/2026 2:44pm
MoogenKen wrote:

Glen Helen………because Pala sucks. 

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the...

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the schedule? 

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed holeshot, huge 1st turn bank Talladega pays tribute to American NASCAR, huge Mount Saint Helen's hill reaches the clouds, he massive triple step-up is unequaled, all of thiese in the inimitable Southern California environment, ancestral home of MX in the US. We all love RedBud, 'Dilla and Millville, but as Americans we must pay Glen Helen its due. Hard to say why it's not on the schedule, but my personal suspicions list pride, (not the good kind), and greed as factors.

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9/18/2026 4:06pm
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Leave Donn Maeda out of this! 😎🤣

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9/18/2026 6:24pm

I went to ; Mount Morris, Red Bud, Millville, Unadilla and Ironman this summer, thoroughly enjoyed each one, overall I’d pick ‘Dilla as my comprehensive number one(this year) …..IMG 8281 3.jpeg?VersionId=VbNUhq3 4BIxIMG 8285 1IMG 8261 6.jpeg?VersionId=wE5iFvBkX8cbkKqYsyaxOAlIMG 7844 3IMG 8229 7It was at the Columbus SMX that i fully realized how damn much I enjoyed the great outdoors -and the variety and eclectic nature of this wonderful traveling moto circus. 

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9/18/2026 6:27pm

Unadilla should be broken into "Old Unadilla" and "Groomed Unadilla".....the old track was much better and it's not close. I didn't vote but would pick the 2015 version of Glen Helen as the best track ever. It was radical.....

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9/18/2026 6:53pm
Does anyone like what they did to Mount Martin? I don’t. Chopped up a great uphill-downhill. Better than Glen Helen’s hill. Served up fabulous photographs of...

Does anyone like what they did to Mount Martin? I don’t. Chopped up a great uphill-downhill. Better than Glen Helen’s hill. Served up fabulous photographs of guys launching into the void. IMG 7197 3.jpeg?VersionId=f1anFsx2Q90VFFl0l0T

Had to slow it down.  Was too fast. 

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9/18/2026 6:57pm
MoogenKen wrote:

Glen Helen………because Pala sucks. 

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the...

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the schedule? 

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed...

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed holeshot, huge 1st turn bank Talladega pays tribute to American NASCAR, huge Mount Saint Helen's hill reaches the clouds, he massive triple step-up is unequaled, all of thiese in the inimitable Southern California environment, ancestral home of MX in the US. We all love RedBud, 'Dilla and Millville, but as Americans we must pay Glen Helen its due. Hard to say why it's not on the schedule, but my personal suspicions list pride, (not the good kind), and greed as factors.

California is NOT the ancestral home of MX in the U.S.A. Massachusetts is, and the Northeast was first into moto, and that is the truth.

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9/18/2026 8:28pm
I am not surprised Glen Hellen is commanding big numbers. I see it as the quintessential American track: BIB step-up, BIG bowl turn, BIG holeshot, BIG...

I am not surprised Glen Hellen is commanding big numbers. I see it as the quintessential American track: BIB step-up, BIG bowl turn, BIG holeshot, BIG hill.  Kind of the opposite of the Euro-style ‘Dilla. 

One of the things I loved about GH is how many good viewing spots there were. Many spots you could see damn near the whole track

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9/18/2026 8:48pm

Thunder Valley sucks! WTF?

 

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9/18/2026 8:57pm
Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the...

Oh yeah it does! Sandy, dusty flat lot with a couple of huge piles of dirt. Who is being paid to keep that embarrassment on the schedule? 

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed...

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed holeshot, huge 1st turn bank Talladega pays tribute to American NASCAR, huge Mount Saint Helen's hill reaches the clouds, he massive triple step-up is unequaled, all of thiese in the inimitable Southern California environment, ancestral home of MX in the US. We all love RedBud, 'Dilla and Millville, but as Americans we must pay Glen Helen its due. Hard to say why it's not on the schedule, but my personal suspicions list pride, (not the good kind), and greed as factors.

California is NOT the ancestral home of MX in the U.S.A. Massachusetts is, and the Northeast was first into moto, and that is the truth.

Agreed, but after the spores came first came from Europe as you correctly note, SoCal was the Petrie dish in which the fungus really grew.

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9/19/2026 2:00am
Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed...

Though Glen Helen is not just some half-assed alternative. It does not try to be a Euro-anything. It defines the Great American Motocross Track! Massive, high-speed holeshot, huge 1st turn bank Talladega pays tribute to American NASCAR, huge Mount Saint Helen's hill reaches the clouds, he massive triple step-up is unequaled, all of thiese in the inimitable Southern California environment, ancestral home of MX in the US. We all love RedBud, 'Dilla and Millville, but as Americans we must pay Glen Helen its due. Hard to say why it's not on the schedule, but my personal suspicions list pride, (not the good kind), and greed as factors.

California is NOT the ancestral home of MX in the U.S.A. Massachusetts is, and the Northeast was first into moto, and that is the truth.

Agreed, but after the spores came first came from Europe as you correctly note, SoCal was the Petrie dish in which the fungus really grew.

Guess I cannot do anything but agree with you Sir ! 

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9/19/2026 4:04am
Wo Phat wrote:
Unadilla should be broken into "Old Unadilla" and "Groomed Unadilla".....the old track was much better and it's not close. I didn't vote but would pick the...

Unadilla should be broken into "Old Unadilla" and "Groomed Unadilla".....the old track was much better and it's not close. I didn't vote but would pick the 2015 version of Glen Helen as the best track ever. It was radical.....

I caught a video on YouTube of the 1980 250 USGP at Dilla that Howerton win. Gravity Cavity and the scew-U are original track features or am I wrong? Side note those dudes flew on those old piles they were riding. Their corner speed on them was wild. Bad mfers

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9/19/2026 10:18pm

The two people that voted for Pala are either sarcastic or from the Pala Band of Mission Indians 😂

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9/20/2026 10:29pm Edited Date/Time 9/20/2026 10:29pm

I was raised at Unadilla, raced numerous races at Buds Creek, attended races at plenty of other national tracks but seeing Red Bud for the last American MXdN blew my mind. 

Red Bud takes the cake 

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9/20/2026 10:54pm

Thunder Valley leading is really surprising. I don't know if I'm out of touch or what but I never hear people talk about it as a great track and out of the current schedule I consider it middle of the road.

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9/21/2026 4:03am
Juck wrote:
Thunder Valley leading is really surprising. I don't know if I'm out of touch or what but I never hear people talk about it as a...

Thunder Valley leading is really surprising. I don't know if I'm out of touch or what but I never hear people talk about it as a great track and out of the current schedule I consider it middle of the road.

Agreed, hard to explain Thunder Valley so soundly beating traditional mainstays like Unadilla, High Point, Budds Creek and MILLVILLE? WTF.

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9/21/2026 4:21am

There are prettier tracks and tracks that are more fun, but Glen Helen in its prime was the gnarliest track. Crazy steep hills, crazy fast triple step up, crazy rutted muddy straight… and sometimes challenging weather too.

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9/21/2026 6:03am Edited Date/Time 9/21/2026 6:04am

Red Bud is by far the highest quality track and best overall facility.

Ironman was similar, but a notch behind.

Mt Morris is great for spectators, appropriate dose of red neck fans.

Southwick is a national treasure hot and humid as hell, crazy ass New England fans, and trackside legion beers.

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9/21/2026 6:34am

I don't get the love for Red Bud. It is a terrible spectators track. I would take Dilla 10/10 times.

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Mid Ohio!

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Mid Ohio!

Cumberland? You're not a fan of High Point or Steel City?

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of the tracks I've been to for a National I'd rank them:
Glen Helen
Red Bud 
Washougal
Thunder Valley
Budds Creek
Hangtown
Pala
Elsinore

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