Will Deegan ever Win a 450 MX or SX title?

Flatliner wrote:

What would that something else be?  You're right about the 199 having another avenue but he was at the forefront of a new and booming sport...

What would that something else be?  You're right about the 199 having another avenue but he was at the forefront of a new and booming sport.  

Not hillbilly wrote:

I have no idea, I’ll leave that up to Brian and Monster. But following the lead of his old man, as well as the niche he...

I have no idea, I’ll leave that up to Brian and Monster. But following the lead of his old man, as well as the niche he has already carved out in social media, he could retire and just make videos and sling merch. Race trophy trucks? Get married and raise another Danger Deegan?

RDnutz wrote:

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships...

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships? There's a small legion of 38 Kool-Aid drinkers here that swear he's going to dominate 450 for years but not talking about the other personal he has going on. Which is it? I'm confused 🙄

ChunderpotCafe wrote:

It may be that Deegs is wisely advised not to shoot for the moon this first season, instead to be consistent, finish consistently high and get...

It may be that Deegs is wisely advised not to shoot for the moon this first season, instead to be consistent, finish consistently high and get his sea legs on the big bike amongst the big boys. Anyone familiar with the sport can see that while he's got beast, he doesn't have the polish and fluid, efficient skills the bros have. I did not expect a rookie to beat the bros, they are phenomenally talented champion racers. He's got a few steps to climb before he accomplishes that. But he did well, better than I expected. I expect him to hire a coach as good as O'Mara and polish his skills to combine beast with efficient riding and fluid grace. He does that, it's a race with Jett. And Hunta? I fully expect Deegs to beat him one day fairly soon.

ChunderpotCafe wrote:

First season in the 450 division, he is in the top 5 of nearly every moto, keeping up with the leaders and leaving the field far...

First season in the 450 division, he is in the top 5 of nearly every moto, keeping up with the leaders and leaving the field far behind. Yes, he will learn the smoothness and efficiency needed to hone his brutal intensity and already excellent consistency. He does that, and there's no reason tho think he won't, he will challenge Jett and leave the rest behind. 

RealityCheck wrote:

Deegan is not "keeping up with the leaders", unless you consider a 20+ second gap to be keeping up.

ChunderpotCafe wrote:

As I saw it, he was consistently in a group with the bros and Jorje. Sometimes closer than others, sometimes ahead of Jorje. Consistently much closer...

As I saw it, he was consistently in a group with the bros and Jorje. Sometimes closer than others, sometimes ahead of Jorje. Consistently much closer to the leaders than the field was to him. That's how I saw it.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

Is it time to start talking cracking the 72 win mark yet?  

Goat of Lurkers wrote:

71 to.go

washingtonstate80-125cc wrote:

Checking in on you guys, anyone here commit suicide yet?

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Please tell you'll consider Deegz a 450 champ if he wins SMX. Please, tell me that. 

Not hillbilly wrote:

I have no idea, I’ll leave that up to Brian and Monster. But following the lead of his old man, as well as the niche he...

I have no idea, I’ll leave that up to Brian and Monster. But following the lead of his old man, as well as the niche he has already carved out in social media, he could retire and just make videos and sling merch. Race trophy trucks? Get married and raise another Danger Deegan?

RDnutz wrote:

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships...

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships? There's a small legion of 38 Kool-Aid drinkers here that swear he's going to dominate 450 for years but not talking about the other personal he has going on. Which is it? I'm confused 🙄

chasetwo79 wrote:

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of...

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of the other kids he raced in 250s yet has more heart and dig in him than any of them. 

Pastrana was never as dominant or as good as Deegan was results wise. It was also well known he had one foot in racing and another in FMX. 

Everyone wants Deegan to be this spoiled rich brat, but he works harder than all the other people he has raced (until moving up, obv that's a different animal and he's learning now)

I'm not saying he's going to break records on a 450, but there's literally people out here comparing him to Barcia. It's so insane 

RDnutz wrote:

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships...

so you think he's just in it for the exposure and $, but not really dedicated to becoming the best in the sport with multiple championships? There's a small legion of 38 Kool-Aid drinkers here that swear he's going to dominate 450 for years but not talking about the other personal he has going on. Which is it? I'm confused 🙄

chasetwo79 wrote:

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of...

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of the other kids he raced in 250s yet has more heart and dig in him than any of them. 

Pastrana was never as dominant or as good as Deegan was results wise. It was also well known he had one foot in racing and another in FMX. 

Everyone wants Deegan to be this spoiled rich brat, but he works harder than all the other people he has raced (until moving up, obv that's a different animal and he's learning now)

I'm not saying he's going to break records on a 450, but there's literally people out here comparing him to Barcia. It's so insane 

RDnutz wrote:

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all...

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all else.🤷‍♂️

chasetwo79 wrote:

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of...

Nothing the kid has shown leads anyone to believe he isn't deeply committed to moto. He has grown up with more money than almost any of the other kids he raced in 250s yet has more heart and dig in him than any of them. 

Pastrana was never as dominant or as good as Deegan was results wise. It was also well known he had one foot in racing and another in FMX. 

Everyone wants Deegan to be this spoiled rich brat, but he works harder than all the other people he has raced (until moving up, obv that's a different animal and he's learning now)

I'm not saying he's going to break records on a 450, but there's literally people out here comparing him to Barcia. It's so insane 

RDnutz wrote:

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all...

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all else.🤷‍♂️

Not hillbilly wrote:

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that...

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that he might be like his father and not see the business of motocross the way others do. Although there’s no question that of all the Deegans, he’s the one winning national championships. My question is whether he’ll get bored with it before he manages to win the premier titles.

And it’s NOT hillbilly.

MOTO13 wrote:

Well, well, well. Apparently Deegs can win on a 450. He went 1-1. Nothing was gifted...he straight up beat them by what...over 30 seconds over the...

Well, well, well. Apparently Deegs can win on a 450. He went 1-1. Nothing was gifted...he straight up beat them by what...over 30 seconds over the two motos??? The kid is good. There is no denying this. Now, will he ever win again...probably. 

Not hillbilly wrote:

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that...

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that he might be like his father and not see the business of motocross the way others do. Although there’s no question that of all the Deegans, he’s the one winning national championships. My question is whether he’ll get bored with it before he manages to win the premier titles.

And it’s NOT hillbilly.

3strokemx wrote:

How much do you think team Deegan paid Hunter to throw the race?

Not hillbilly wrote:

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that...

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that he might be like his father and not see the business of motocross the way others do. Although there’s no question that of all the Deegans, he’s the one winning national championships. My question is whether he’ll get bored with it before he manages to win the premier titles.

And it’s NOT hillbilly.

RDnutz wrote:

how bout shit or get off the pot instead of "implying"? Take a stand with your opinion. Leaving yourself an out and trying to impress everyone...

how bout shit or get off the pot instead of "implying"? Take a stand with your opinion. Leaving yourself an out and trying to impress everyone with your large vocabulary with a hint of arrogance makes it easier to not take you seriously in an actual discussion. 

 

RDnutz wrote:

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all...

tell that to Hillbilly, he seems convinced the kid is only racing to please Daddy by promoting the family brand to make more $ above all else.🤷‍♂️

Not hillbilly wrote:

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that...

Not sure if you’re trolling or just being deliberately obtuse. I definitely didn’t say he was racing just to please his father; I was implying that he might be like his father and not see the business of motocross the way others do. Although there’s no question that of all the Deegans, he’s the one winning national championships. My question is whether he’ll get bored with it before he manages to win the premier titles.

And it’s NOT hillbilly.

chasetwo79 wrote:

Nothing in his life up to this point has signaled he will get bored of it. The money is whatever to him. He's already rich. He...

Nothing in his life up to this point has signaled he will get bored of it. The money is whatever to him. He's already rich. He clearly races for something inside of him that most of the other guys do not have. 

RDnutz wrote:

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing...

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing Deegan would immediately dominate and win titles this year? Like some of the people looking back at his 250 career and comparing to other people who won less in 250s but were champions in 450s? Biggest reality check is he didn't lead a single lap all year no matter the rest of the field. He turned some fast lap times, got some hole shots and podiums- but no titles. Might be best to turn down the expectations a notch or 2 and let the kid prove he's a championship instead of anointing him and making excuses for him.

RDnutz wrote:

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing...

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing Deegan would immediately dominate and win titles this year? Like some of the people looking back at his 250 career and comparing to other people who won less in 250s but were champions in 450s? Biggest reality check is he didn't lead a single lap all year no matter the rest of the field. He turned some fast lap times, got some hole shots and podiums- but no titles. Might be best to turn down the expectations a notch or 2 and let the kid prove he's a championship instead of anointing him and making excuses for him.

bosswool2800 wrote:

Didn’t Deegan lead a lap at Unadilla and Ironman? In fact, didn’t he get the holeshot Ironman?I’ll have to look back, but I’m pretty sure it...

Didn’t Deegan lead a lap at Unadilla and Ironman? In fact, didn’t he get the holeshot Ironman?

I’ll have to look back, but I’m pretty sure it was you that said Deegan had zero laps led. When in fact he was in first place at several rounds. 

 

yak651 wrote:

*All that watched know he didn’t lead that lap but “technically” he was credited with it for getting the holeshot and holding the position for 3...

*All that watched know he didn’t lead that lap but “technically” he was credited with it for getting the holeshot and holding the position for 3 corners 

RDnutz wrote:

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing...

nice imaginary telling of how people must think that aren't on the Deegan bandwagon for whatever reason. Weren't you 1 of the guys all but guaranteeing Deegan would immediately dominate and win titles this year? Like some of the people looking back at his 250 career and comparing to other people who won less in 250s but were champions in 450s? Biggest reality check is he didn't lead a single lap all year no matter the rest of the field. He turned some fast lap times, got some hole shots and podiums- but no titles. Might be best to turn down the expectations a notch or 2 and let the kid prove he's a championship instead of anointing him and making excuses for him.

bosswool2800 wrote:

Didn’t Deegan lead a lap at Unadilla and Ironman? In fact, didn’t he get the holeshot Ironman?I’ll have to look back, but I’m pretty sure it...

Didn’t Deegan lead a lap at Unadilla and Ironman? In fact, didn’t he get the holeshot Ironman?

I’ll have to look back, but I’m pretty sure it was you that said Deegan had zero laps led. When in fact he was in first place at several rounds. 

 

bosswool2800 wrote:

How could he be in first position and not be leading? Fox Raceway: He held the lead midway through Moto 1. He made a pass to...

How could he be in first position and not be leading? 

• Fox Raceway: He held the lead midway through Moto 1. He made a pass to take the physical front spot and battled side-by-side with Jett Lawrence for a few sections before being passed back. (Edited: this was not correct)

• Hangtown: He briefly controlled the front pack during the first three minutes of Moto 2, executing a clean line choice to move into the physical number-one spot before dropping back into a podium position. (Edited: this was not correct)

   

• Washougal: He led through the first turn. He won the drag race down the start straight and held the field off until he tipped over just a few corners later.

   

• Unadilla: He led for the entire opening lap. He grabbed the holeshot, defended the lines, and held the lead all the way until the start of lap two. (Edited: this was not correct)

   
• Ironman: He led through the first three corners. He nailed the holeshot perfectly but washed out his front tire almost immediately after the start straight.

bosswool2800 wrote:

Doesn’t matter the arguments. He’s gonna improve in confidence and strength.

bosswool2800 wrote:

How could he be in first position and not be leading? Fox Raceway: He held the lead midway through Moto 1. He made a pass to...

How could he be in first position and not be leading? 

• Fox Raceway: He held the lead midway through Moto 1. He made a pass to take the physical front spot and battled side-by-side with Jett Lawrence for a few sections before being passed back. (Edited: this was not correct)

• Hangtown: He briefly controlled the front pack during the first three minutes of Moto 2, executing a clean line choice to move into the physical number-one spot before dropping back into a podium position. (Edited: this was not correct)

   

• Washougal: He led through the first turn. He won the drag race down the start straight and held the field off until he tipped over just a few corners later.

   

• Unadilla: He led for the entire opening lap. He grabbed the holeshot, defended the lines, and held the lead all the way until the start of lap two. (Edited: this was not correct)

   
• Ironman: He led through the first three corners. He nailed the holeshot perfectly but washed out his front tire almost immediately after the start straight.

Not hillbilly wrote:

Here’s the official lap chart for the first moto at Pala. Which lap do you see Deegan in first place?

Here’s the official lap chart for the first moto at Pala. Which lap do you see Deegan in first place?

inthebadboycorner wrote:

The answer is still no, and dont bother arguing, SMX is not a real Championship, its just a participation trophy.

bosswool2800 wrote:

Doesn’t matter the arguments. He’s gonna improve in confidence and strength.

kiwifan wrote:

I don't think it's either of those holding him back it's technique imho

inthebadboycorner wrote:

The answer is still no, and dont bother arguing, SMX is not a real Championship, its just a participation trophy.

FroDiddy wrote:

SMX is a welcomed money grab, and nothing more.

RDnutz wrote:

so maybe the theory he's in it more for the $ than world championships has merit

washingtonstate80-125cc wrote:

Checking in on you guys, anyone here commit suicide yet?

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Please tell you'll consider Deegz a 450 champ if he wins SMX. Please, tell me that. 

washingtonstate80-125cc wrote:

4 races still to go. Anything can happen. SMX is our playoffs. Like in the NFL or MLB playoffs, underdogs can make a statement. If Hunta...

4 races still to go. Anything can happen. SMX is our playoffs. Like in the NFL or MLB playoffs, underdogs can make a statement. If Hunta wins his first SMX title he will be extremely happy and guys here will celebrate. If Deegs wins it guys here will say it’s meaningless. What else is new.