Can we end the debate?

wix
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Jett went undefeated in his first 450 championship. 

Deegan? Not even a Moto win? 



 

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8/31/2026 3:10am

What's the debate? That Deegan's rookie 450 MX season would be better than Jett's? Can we end a debate that never started?

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8/31/2026 3:12am

What's the debate? That Deegan's rookie 450 MX season would be better than Jett's? Can we end a debate that never started?

Indeed- there is no debate. A bit like talking about the 'Rivalry' - there is no rivalry either.
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Gas Axe
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8/31/2026 5:27am

What’s the end goal? He who has the most toys wins? Deegs Jr will retire A OK. Enjoy it while it’s here. I’m an Aussie and all in. 

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8/31/2026 5:52am

What's the debate? That Deegan's rookie 450 MX season would be better than Jett's? Can we end a debate that never started?

It started before pala and ended after the first moto at pala.

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MOTO13
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8/31/2026 5:56am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 7:30am

His (Jett's) rookie season was better than every other racer in AMA history...correct??? So...Jett is one of the best ever. Deegan finished 3rd in his rookie season. Better than probably 95% of anyone in their rookie season in the premier class. Yeah, Deegan sucks. Poor fkng guy just can't ride or compete at all.  

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8/31/2026 6:36am

He finished ahead of Prado in points his rookie year.  

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3strokemx
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8/31/2026 7:16am

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

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Wo Phat
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8/31/2026 1:46pm
3strokemx wrote:
Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had...

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

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8/31/2026 3:39pm
3strokemx wrote:
Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had...

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

Wo Phat wrote:
"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win...

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

That's a lot of fluff, I was just looking at the only score that matters, overall finishing position

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8/31/2026 3:43pm
3strokemx wrote:
Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had...

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

Wo Phat wrote:
"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win...

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

3strokemx wrote:

That's a lot of fluff, I was just looking at the only score that matters, overall finishing position

The only score that matters is overall finishing position? Yeah, right. Moto and overall wins are extremely important to these guys.

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Only in the make believe world of Vitalmx.

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3strokemx
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visser62 wrote:

The only score that matters is overall finishing position? Yeah, right. Moto and overall wins are extremely important to these guys.

Yeah I was meaning Overall finishing position (at each race)

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8/31/2026 3:54pm

Deegan at Washogal on the 250 PINNED hanging it out..

Thats all I needed to see.

( As far as the Racing goes )

Would I hire him as the front / lead of a business representing everything past the front door ? Oh God no !

As people would say " I didnt get the warm Fuzzies " from him..

But were talking Racing here .

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8/31/2026 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 3:56pm
3strokemx wrote:
Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had...

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

Wo Phat wrote:
"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win...

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

3strokemx wrote:

That's a lot of fluff, I was just looking at the only score that matters, overall finishing position

If "the only score that matters" is overall finishing position, how is Danger boy's third overall as a rookie "equal or better" to Hunter's second overall as a rookie?

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8/31/2026 4:00pm
Wo Phat wrote:
"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win...

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

3strokemx wrote:

That's a lot of fluff, I was just looking at the only score that matters, overall finishing position

If "the only score that matters" is overall finishing position, how is Danger boy's third overall as a rookie "equal or better" to Hunter's second overall...

If "the only score that matters" is overall finishing position, how is Danger boy's third overall as a rookie "equal or better" to Hunter's second overall as a rookie?

Overall results, not series championship standings

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8/31/2026 4:06pm
3strokemx wrote:
Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had...

Deegan's trajectory is looking pretty good.

Deegan's first 450 motocross season was equal to or better than Hunter Lawrences first 450 motocross season (2024), except Hunter had a full season of SX on the 450 and was generally more experienced.

 

Wo Phat wrote:
"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win...

"In his 450cc class rookie season, Lawrence battled for the Championship. He scored multiple podium finishes as well as moto wins, but was unable to win an overall. He held the points lead from round 3 to 6 and showcased consistency all season. Hunter ended the Championship 2nd, scored 9 podiums, 3 race wins, with 42 points the difference in his debut season."

there goes the "dangerboy's first 450 season was equal to or better than Hunter's first 450 season....."

not even close

 

The alien was there only 5 out of 11 rounds that year.

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8/31/2026 4:08pm

He finished ahead of Prado in points his rookie year.  

Nobody remembers points, they remember wins, or Championships.

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wix wrote:

Jett went undefeated in his first 450 championship. 

Deegan? Not even a Moto win? 



 

These Kangaroo dudes are insufferable.

And for the record, I like Deegan, Jett, Hunter and George P.

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MOTO13 wrote:
His (Jett's) rookie season was better than every other racer in AMA history...correct??? So...Jett is one of the best ever. Deegan finished 3rd in his rookie...

His (Jett's) rookie season was better than every other racer in AMA history...correct??? So...Jett is one of the best ever. Deegan finished 3rd in his rookie season. Better than probably 95% of anyone in their rookie season in the premier class. Yeah, Deegan sucks. Poor fkng guy just can't ride or compete at all.  

It’s hard to argue against 22-0, but I think Kenny Roczen’s rookie 2014 450 outdoor season was among the best simply because of the competition. Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, and Trey Canard. Not sure I’d put it above going undefeated in a rookie season, but I do think the weight of competition is a consideration. 

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9/2/2026 10:35am

I imagine Deegan feels like anyone who had to race SX against McGrath at his peak, or Carmichael, or Stewart.  All were freaks of nature and there is no shame in getting beat by any one of them.  I'm not a Deegan fan, but without the freaks-of-nature Lawrence brothers, he would have had a stellar rookie season.  Unfortunately for him, he will have to continue to deal with the Lawrences, and then Davies, for good bit of his career.  Then there's the Coenen boys and Prado. Deeg's has got some tough years in front of him, not because of lack of talent, be because the oft over-used "deep talent pool" is actually a real thing right now.

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9/2/2026 10:51am

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

STOP IT. Nobody cares about Deegan, they only despise the people (like you) that keep posting with obvious bias in some attempt to sway people or something? Like what is it that you were trying to accomplish by starting this thread?

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