Stewart has changed...really?????

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2/13/2011 11:56am
pummel wrote:
How many times has James done this? It's not a coincidence, James is faster than everyone else but when he gets excited he turns his brain...
How many times has James done this? It's not a coincidence, James is faster than everyone else but when he gets excited he turns his brain off and is dangerous! If he could learn to think just a little bit more he's be unbeatable regardless of where he starts. Jt did absolutely nothing wrong, - if you get rear-ended in your car driving down the road is it ever your own fault? Even if you are barely doing the speed limit in the fast lane!
Cars never leave the ground....If they did, the laws would be different obviously. And even IF you wanted to use that bad analogy, isn't "slower" traffic suppose to keep right?? Tongue
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2/13/2011 12:03pm
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Before he ran over JT, Stewart was 2 positions ahead of Reed. Reed obviously made it through the pack safely and finished 6th. Even if Stewart...
Before he ran over JT, Stewart was 2 positions ahead of Reed. Reed obviously made it through the pack safely and finished 6th. Even if Stewart had only ridden as aggressively as Reed, he'd have been on the podium or fourth. Third by being smart, or 15th for trying to force things that aren't there because you think you're the fastest man on the planet. Which one works better in a battle for the championship?

It reminds of a quote I read of a Formula 1 racer who, as a rookie was discussing starts with a teammate. The veteran teammate had to tell him that no matter how great of a jump you think you can get, no matter how much faster you are than the guy in front of you on the grid, you cannot go any faster than he does on the start unless you have planned a clear way around that he cannot block.
Reed was already passed Stewart. Not sure how as they didn't show it. Stewart had only moved up 2 or 3 spots at the most when the accident happened. I've never seen James ride like crazy and out of control and only managed to get around 2 people running in the rear. He would have passed more than that if he was riding over his head.
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2/13/2011 12:08pm
pummel wrote:
How many times has James done this? It's not a coincidence, James is faster than everyone else but when he gets excited he turns his brain...
How many times has James done this? It's not a coincidence, James is faster than everyone else but when he gets excited he turns his brain off and is dangerous! If he could learn to think just a little bit more he's be unbeatable regardless of where he starts. Jt did absolutely nothing wrong, - if you get rear-ended in your car driving down the road is it ever your own fault? Even if you are barely doing the speed limit in the fast lane!
This is exactly what I am trying to say. We are not james haters but the fact that is he denies us the chance to see him actually become one of the greatest with his poor decisions. Unfufilled potential due to injuries is one thing but when your actions lead to the injuries it hurts those who suport you also.

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My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at least on par with what JS did last night.

If Thomas hadn't made that mistake then he wouldn't have gotten landed on. Simple as that. Even MA800, one of the least skilled SX riders on the track, can make that step on combo in traffic (which he did during this incident), so Thomas is partially to blame for this outcome.

Get off JS's nut for trying to come through the pack. Racing is racing. Hell, I've been landed on during a practice session on an outdoor track, with about 5 total riders on the track.
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2/13/2011 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2011 12:52pm
Also rule #1 in MX is never follow another rider!!!!!!!! Lands on top JT?
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JT$ isn't hurt and he doesn't train with James He rides with Chad and Byrne and those guys. Shit happens and it's funny to read people...
JT$ isn't hurt and he doesn't train with James
He rides with Chad and Byrne and those guys.

Shit happens and it's funny to read people write shit like this when they haven't even seen the race yet....remote viewing?
pulpmx Steve Matthes
Per JT..pulp podcast up soon but he doesn't think its good.knee injury..

Yeah it is funny when people write shit when they don't know whether someone is hurt or not...Whistling
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2/13/2011 1:01pm
croom mx wrote:
Also rule #1 in MX is never follow another rider!!!!!!!! Lands on top JT?
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line, and the safest line is only one line. Some of you just want to blame Stewart for anything and everything.
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2/13/2011 1:04pm
croom mx wrote:
Also rule #1 in MX is never follow another rider!!!!!!!! Lands on top JT?
Vazscep wrote:
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line...
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line, and the safest line is only one line. Some of you just want to blame Stewart for anything and everything.
I would like to blame Bubba for the economy and me loosing my keys.
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I would like to blame Bubba for the economy and me loosing my keys.
Did you mean losing your keys?
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2/13/2011 1:06pm
MDMCG wrote:
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at...
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at least on par with what JS did last night.

If Thomas hadn't made that mistake then he wouldn't have gotten landed on. Simple as that. Even MA800, one of the least skilled SX riders on the track, can make that step on combo in traffic (which he did during this incident), so Thomas is partially to blame for this outcome.

Get off JS's nut for trying to come through the pack. Racing is racing. Hell, I've been landed on during a practice session on an outdoor track, with about 5 total riders on the track.
Thankyou, at least someone has a brain on this forum.
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2/13/2011 1:34pm
Even my girlfriend asked me about stewart jumping on JT? She said WTF is he doing LOL!, any pics or video of bubba jumpin on RC? lol.
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Even my girlfriend asked me about stewart jumping on JT? She said WTF is he doing LOL!, any pics or video of bubba jumpin on RC...
Even my girlfriend asked me about stewart jumping on JT? She said WTF is he doing LOL!, any pics or video of bubba jumpin on RC? lol.
Hmmm? That's funny, my wife asked why was that guy going so slow to make Stewart crash.
2/13/2011 2:03pm
petie11o5 wrote:
JT$ cased the double. Meanwhile, JS7 was jumping to the table. How is JS7 supposed to predict the future about JT$ clipping a jump? Sh!t happens...
JT$ cased the double. Meanwhile, JS7 was jumping to the table. How is JS7 supposed to predict the future about JT$ clipping a jump? Sh!t happens out on the track.

All of the JS7 haters are a joke. IMO if guys like JT$ can't make it over a small double without clipping they shouldn't be out there.
exactly. if that was anyone else but james, it would just been a racing accident.
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2/13/2011 2:04pm
R-acer wrote:
Have you guys seen the race yet?
Yes, I have. It's not like JT was trying to seat bounce up on to that table top like the faster guys were doing. There were a lot of riders jumping into the face of the second jump and then landing on the table top (which is what Stewart did the lap after landing on JT). Here's the deal. It's the responsibility of the faster rider to pass the slower rider and do it SAFELY. Let's change the players in this scenario and see if we feel the same way. It's you at a local race (or your son for you dads out there), you're holding your line and aren't able to jump a section a faster guy is jumping and the faster guy goes ahead and jumps the section while behind you and lands on you. Are you pissed or do you get up and say "well, that's racing?" If any one on this board got landed on while holding your line by a faster guy trying to get around you, you'd be looking to beat their ass when / if you got up and if you say otherwise you're full of crap.
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2/13/2011 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2011 2:09pm
croom mx wrote:
Also rule #1 in MX is never follow another rider!!!!!!!! Lands on top JT?
Vazscep wrote:
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line...
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line, and the safest line is only one line. Some of you just want to blame Stewart for anything and everything.
WTF,, how many races have you been in Vazcep?
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JT$ isn't hurt and he doesn't train with James He rides with Chad and Byrne and those guys. Shit happens and it's funny to read people...
JT$ isn't hurt and he doesn't train with James
He rides with Chad and Byrne and those guys.

Shit happens and it's funny to read people write shit like this when they haven't even seen the race yet....remote viewing?
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pulpmx Steve Matthes Per JT..pulp podcast up soon but he doesn't think its good.knee injury.. Yeah it is funny when people write shit when they don't...
pulpmx Steve Matthes
Per JT..pulp podcast up soon but he doesn't think its good.knee injury..

Yeah it is funny when people write shit when they don't know whether someone is hurt or not...Whistling
JT is a classy dude.

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MDMCG wrote:
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at...
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at least on par with what JS did last night.

If Thomas hadn't made that mistake then he wouldn't have gotten landed on. Simple as that. Even MA800, one of the least skilled SX riders on the track, can make that step on combo in traffic (which he did during this incident), so Thomas is partially to blame for this outcome.

Get off JS's nut for trying to come through the pack. Racing is racing. Hell, I've been landed on during a practice session on an outdoor track, with about 5 total riders on the track.
dc1236 wrote:
Thankyou, at least someone has a brain on this forum.
Seriously, these two about the only people on here that make any sense. This, imo, is why MX/SX will never really get any bigger than it is today (read, the stupidity and uneducated commentary shared on this and other forums). Our fans, in general, have low IQ's. I hate to say it, but it's pretty much that simple.

I just watched the race today, and I definitely did not see Stewart "land on top of JT." Yes, he was committed to his line in a very tricky section and hit the back of JT, but "land" on him? Hardly. Was it Stewart's fault? Probably. Certainly more than JT's. But JT definitely made a mistake, which in that particular section, once committed there was really nothing Stewart could do. And then none of us know what he was up against with potential damage to his bike. Am I defending JS? I don't think so. Just saddened by the shared idiocy flowing back and forth amongst a bunch of wannabe rider hacks with no understanding of the situation, yet somehow wishing to share with the world all their "knowledge." Do us all a favor, do NOT tell your friends how much you know about racing. Clearly it's not helping our (the sport of MX's/SX's) cause.
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It was a racing incident. However, similar things have happened too often in the past to pretend there isn't a pattern there.

Not hating, just pointing out the obvious. JMO, of course.
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2/13/2011 2:22pm
croom mx wrote:
Also rule #1 in MX is never follow another rider!!!!!!!! Lands on top JT?
Vazscep wrote:
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line...
That's the numer one rule? Show me the rulebook then because riders follow other riders all the time. Often times, the best line, the fastest line, and the safest line is only one line. Some of you just want to blame Stewart for anything and everything.
croom mx wrote:
WTF,, how many races have you been in Vazcep?
Um.. yeah, that's pretty much the #1 unwritten rule in motocross.
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If you are in the air, and a slower rider moves into your line and you land on them, it's their fault. If you are behind a slower rider, follow their line, and then land on them, it is YOUR fault. Period.
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Seriously, these two about the only people on here that make any sense. This, imo, is why MX/SX will never really get any bigger than it...
Seriously, these two about the only people on here that make any sense. This, imo, is why MX/SX will never really get any bigger than it is today (read, the stupidity and uneducated commentary shared on this and other forums). Our fans, in general, have low IQ's. I hate to say it, but it's pretty much that simple.

I just watched the race today, and I definitely did not see Stewart "land on top of JT." Yes, he was committed to his line in a very tricky section and hit the back of JT, but "land" on him? Hardly. Was it Stewart's fault? Probably. Certainly more than JT's. But JT definitely made a mistake, which in that particular section, once committed there was really nothing Stewart could do. And then none of us know what he was up against with potential damage to his bike. Am I defending JS? I don't think so. Just saddened by the shared idiocy flowing back and forth amongst a bunch of wannabe rider hacks with no understanding of the situation, yet somehow wishing to share with the world all their "knowledge." Do us all a favor, do NOT tell your friends how much you know about racing. Clearly it's not helping our (the sport of MX's/SX's) cause.
So are you saying the average nascar fan has a high IQ?
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2/13/2011 2:51pm
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Reed was already passed Stewart. Not sure how as they didn't show it. Stewart had only moved up 2 or 3 spots at the most when...
Reed was already passed Stewart. Not sure how as they didn't show it. Stewart had only moved up 2 or 3 spots at the most when the accident happened. I've never seen James ride like crazy and out of control and only managed to get around 2 people running in the rear. He would have passed more than that if he was riding over his head.
Reed was already passed Stewart.

You probably couldn't see that Stewart was in 11th and Reed in 13th with James sac in your mouth...
2/13/2011 3:23pm
Outsider wrote:
It was a racing incident. However, similar things have happened too often in the past to pretend there isn't a pattern there. Not hating, just pointing...
It was a racing incident. However, similar things have happened too often in the past to pretend there isn't a pattern there.

Not hating, just pointing out the obvious. JMO, of course.
+1

Stewart blew it out of the gate and dropped back about 1/2 a bike length early on the start. Then he kept it WFO pin-balling off riders on both sides of him and then ran it in hard in the first turn and took himself and about half the pack out. Not dirty, just a racing incident (who hasn't had their leg broken by some ass who didn't shut off in the first corner and center-punched you? lol), but it WAS a dumb move by a world-class racer that didn't seem to be thinking things through (had lost his head). Seems it might have been wiser once he blew the gate to drop back a bit and try to tuck it in tight around the first corner and salvage a decent (top 10?) start. It's always better to get a "decent" start than to start the race on the ground.

If this was the first time jumping on someone I would say it was totally just a racing incident...BUT, Stewy keeps doing it and now has a track record for doing the same thing over and over again. What is this 5 or 6 times now? I understand the speed issue, but that's not really the deal all the time. When he jumped on The Goat, they were pretty much evenly matched on speed that day and Bubba just made a bad (and dangerous) decision. He needs to "cool it" when things go wrong early in the race and use his head to work by riders, not by taking risky chances around riders going slower than he is. Even when McGrath and Carmichael were going much faster than most of their competition, I don't remember them jumping on other riders.
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2/13/2011 3:41pm
Bottom Line: The JS7 haters can't talk sh!t about his speed anymore. All pre season we heard about how he wasn't going to win races. He was done....blah, blah, blah. He blew away the field last week and where were they then? So he slips up and they all come out of the woodwork talking sh!t. Go back in your hole and watch him dominate the remaining races. Everyone has their bad days.
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MDMCG wrote:
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at...
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at least on par with what JS did last night.

If Thomas hadn't made that mistake then he wouldn't have gotten landed on. Simple as that. Even MA800, one of the least skilled SX riders on the track, can make that step on combo in traffic (which he did during this incident), so Thomas is partially to blame for this outcome.

Get off JS's nut for trying to come through the pack. Racing is racing. Hell, I've been landed on during a practice session on an outdoor track, with about 5 total riders on the track.
dc1236 wrote:
Thankyou, at least someone has a brain on this forum.
finally a good, fair, post, not some hot hating shit as usual.
People run into each other all the time, get hurt and all (Wilson hit Durham last night, broken leg) but Stewart is the shit magnet for that. He has had 3 bad ones and the Partridge one was really his fault for not thinking fast enough while in the middle of a flock of flying bikes but last night was as much racing incident as a racing incident can be.

what about Windham hitting Clark??? Why did the same haters hated on Clark? What about Barcia riding like there's no one else on the track (almost hurt Wilson bad last night) and being so revered by the same group of people who writes crap on stewart? I don't see the difference between the 2, except that Barcia is way more aggressive when he passes people, it almost looks like he is actually looking for the contact. Barcia is not far from hurting someone but when it's him it's all cool?

If JT can't jump a small double, he should wave his arm, that's what slow people do usually.
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txmxer wrote:
Reed was already passed Stewart.

You probably couldn't see that Stewart was in 11th and Reed in 13th with James sac in your mouth...
Classy!! And yes, my post certainly warranted your response as I know I have control over CBS and what they show. How does a 10 year old get the time for 10,000 posts??
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MDMCG wrote:
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at...
My point was that other racers have ran into each other, resulting in significant injuries to one of the riders, for doing things that were at least on par with what JS did last night.

If Thomas hadn't made that mistake then he wouldn't have gotten landed on. Simple as that. Even MA800, one of the least skilled SX riders on the track, can make that step on combo in traffic (which he did during this incident), so Thomas is partially to blame for this outcome.

Get off JS's nut for trying to come through the pack. Racing is racing. Hell, I've been landed on during a practice session on an outdoor track, with about 5 total riders on the track.
dc1236 wrote:
Thankyou, at least someone has a brain on this forum.
motoplook wrote:
finally a good, fair, post, not some hot hating shit as usual. People run into each other all the time, get hurt and all (Wilson hit...
finally a good, fair, post, not some hot hating shit as usual.
People run into each other all the time, get hurt and all (Wilson hit Durham last night, broken leg) but Stewart is the shit magnet for that. He has had 3 bad ones and the Partridge one was really his fault for not thinking fast enough while in the middle of a flock of flying bikes but last night was as much racing incident as a racing incident can be.

what about Windham hitting Clark??? Why did the same haters hated on Clark? What about Barcia riding like there's no one else on the track (almost hurt Wilson bad last night) and being so revered by the same group of people who writes crap on stewart? I don't see the difference between the 2, except that Barcia is way more aggressive when he passes people, it almost looks like he is actually looking for the contact. Barcia is not far from hurting someone but when it's him it's all cool?

If JT can't jump a small double, he should wave his arm, that's what slow people do usually.
Barcia does like the contact.

He admits it!
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2/13/2011 4:27pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2011 4:55pm
looks like a "wrong time at the wrong spot" situation.

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