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i got a lot of backlash for talking here about this some years back......but the mojo here was that Luongo was the devil and everything he did was wrong, mxgp had no money, tracks were shit, everyone there wanted to race in america and sxwas where the money is and the prime series in the dirt bike world
the truth is in america the is no amature championship or series like the national championships each country has in europe and where kid races the same tracks as the mxgp races of that country.....kids dont manage reces, dont learn patience, dont learn to accept 2nd or 3rd as the best for the day.....its just that flashy american way, optimal private compounds, factory riders status since kids, factory bikes that are even iligal, a few races of short laps and lots of classes to avoid competition and here we go to the pros all flashy......lots of speed and the send it mentality
while in europe kids race emx series 12 race championship, against all the good kids from every country andd even from outside of europe......here they are riding at those huge facilities, in tracks bilt to be just like the national tracks, some even bilt loretas replica for their kids to do good when they finally race for a contract in one of those one of races.....in europe there are 3 youth classes, 65, 85 and 125, a minimum and a maximum age for each .......in a youth race here there is what 20 classes ???......here there is even an hybrid bike that makes no sence, supermini, why ???? then no one uses the 125......
then in the pros reality strikes.....while in europe when pro contract comes, kids are already racers, they know how manage races, they know that the next week race is also as important, they learn to stack up points to count in the end, they learn the importance of keeping safe and healthy.......here they know flash, shine and speed and when on track all they know is to send it.....and they do it, disassembling themselves every year, to a point where their body and mind cant race dirtbikes anymore even before the main class.....
there is no lack of talent in america, it could even be the best of time to find talent with all the stacyc elctro generation of very young kid alresdy ripping.......its the development system that is wrong, america is losing the essence of motocross, that weekend family outdooor activity that made for the talent to be seen at the races and then developed through youth programs from the brands......in europe its still a lot like that until you get to the big bikes, then money talks, but here in the us its all made in factories now, mx and sx racers factories, where kids from as young as 10/11 start providing for the family so they can live at the compound......3/4 big races with lots of classes and short laps, where its live or die......and then come the pros.......and most of the families that commited their life for it are so draiend that a few go to the pros with belif, and then most of those are not really ready to race the seasoned pros on the pro tracks for 30 mts, but they do what they know, always send it !!!!! broke this, broke that......yes there is a lack of american talent at the ama races, but thats because it got lost on the way....
i really hope things change for the better soon, with all i have been seeing from those stacyc kids, there should be a few more aliens like jett, bubba or jmb on the way
Webb? He didn't win a single real race in SX this year. And in MX he looks like he's walking around the track. Did you see when Lucas Coenen passed him? James: Hi Cooper...bye Cooper.
USA - semi-cooked.
These American prima-donna kids spend all their time riding freshly groomed tracks in facilities designed to snatch money out of gullible parents' pockets.
Yep...and have you seen our executive branch? From the top down folks.... only gonna get worse.... until it bottoms-out in a fun revolution...
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IMO riders from other countries and series come here for the money. Especially if they're fast.
Who are you talking to? The clouds?
These are Cornelius Toendel’s results from last year. And the dude shows up here, gets a factory ride because he was one of the best options for a fill in ride and takes top 10 in a moto. Anyone who can’t see how much better those guys are at MX than our guys are is just plain blind.
That’s a Global thing dude, same happening over here.
Wait, supermini is an american only thing? I did not know this.
Watching foreign riders win does not effect(affect?) my enjoyment in the least.
Yep, I don’t think anybody in here said it affects their enjoyment, but thanks for letting us know 🤙🏽
100%. This is the main driver most guys move and live/race in the USA - $$$$. USA is a fantastic country, but moving for the lifestyle only is certainly not the reason fast guys are moving across.
No chance on earth one could make the coin Jett/Hunter are earning, racing locally in Aus - even MXGP.
I wonder what Herlings' contract looks like in MXGP, per year?
All of our top riders are old tired and beat up.. They only care about supercross.. where the euro guys are truly moto.. that’s why they come over here and kick our asses.. its time for the old guys to retire and step aside and bring up the next generation of riders..
Yeah but those old guys are still the fastest guys. It’s not like there is some hidden talent waiting for them to retire to come show up.
We also don’t have a lack of kids in the mill being groomed to be a professional while taking all their parents $$$. So you’d think we’d have a ton of talent ready to go but doesn’t seem to be working as well as you’d think.
We also have guys that focus only on supercross, but getting it handed to them by euro guys that don’t get any experience before coming over.
The whole thing is very interesting. I guess it is also unfair to compare one country (USA) to the world. It’s not like prado, Lawrence’s, Coenens, Davies etc all came from one place. And right now we’re definitely seeing some freaks of nature.
Stop complaining, you guys wanted the "World" SMX Championship so now deal with the worlds best riders attending.
The odds are against the USA and getting worse.
God forbid someone be patriotic these days. If we sent say Webb to mxgp and he theoretically dominated, euro guys would be saying the same crap and we would be rubbing it in their face.
Nobody is complaining man. Relax. It’s just interesting conversation why USA is getting their butts handed to them lately. We literally have mills that parents pay insane money for their kids to grow up in and be the best. So it’s interesting to see why that isn’t working
I dont know but there was no real american talent since rc js7 era to be honest. Even when people like Tomac Dungey Poto Barcia raced against JS7 you could feel like they were kinda intimidated by him because they lacked personality.
I hate Deegan but he is really the only guy since rc js7 era who doesnt look like some little boy who was dreaming his whole life to be there because he knew he will be three. He creates his own path since the beggining and that's why he is your only hope right now. But you should have more guys like that not some generic robots from gpf mtf and other facilities.
You don’t think Dungey and Villopoto were real talents? 😂
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Never understood the idea of the supermini class,
seems like a real money pit and another entry fee. Heck i can only imagine if you grew up dominating such a spread of classes all through your juniors, the false confidence and mental gymnastics you must deal with when trying to go pro would be crazy tough!
I don't think FIM Junior world titles has a Supermini class either.
In AUS, we just run the below,
Honestly as an american, i like this listing of classes. it makes sense...Our American AM system needs a got damn revamp to say the least lol
They both turned pro like a decade ago though. Our best rider that really had to do it with the amateur system is probably Hymas or Kitchen and while they are great I wouldn’t say either is a guarantee on a 450 and a 250 championship is getting pretty long odds.
That list is crazy!
So does that mean supermini are the only 'big wheel' class? Or are big wheels allowed in 85cc classes?
The world is a very large place. And all the money is in the US. How American to just assume you should be winning cause your the best.
“We” never asked for it. And yeah it’s pretty bleak at this very moment for US moto but without question we are the deepest country in terms of MXDN
Imagine the amount of talent that doesn't make it into the pro ranks purely because they cant afford to race multiple classes.
Outside of the America ,the riders are one trick ponies . They focus 100 percent on outdoors . American riders need to spend time doing SX and MX . The euro fan boys like to pretend that doesn't exhist.
Training facilities and factories pick a fast mini rider and then stick with them through B, ignoring any other rider that blossoms later. Then since they get no support they end up quitting or turn pro and race one year with no support and then quit. Take those six figure amateur support contracts and support the guys that are trying to go pro
What’s wrong with thinking American? I guess that’s the new thing - don’t think American?
I like your style Austin 🇺🇸
Disagree these days.
the series down under has really been putting in the effort to develop SX and MX skills for the younger ones.
Seems to be doing okay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pBZdtt4LQU
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