OFFICIAL Deegan excuse thread

DonM wrote:

My dad always said never trust a bible thumper because they truly believe that god will forgive them for everything they do….

DonM wrote:

My dad always said never trust a bible thumper because they truly believe that god will forgive them for everything they do….

BossWool2800 wrote:

My dad said don’t go to the Dentist because they try to take the plaque off your teeth and plaque is what protects your teeth.  There’s just...

My dad said don’t go to the Dentist because they try to take the plaque off your teeth and plaque is what protects your teeth. 

 There’s just some things my dad said, I don’t agree with. I’m still working out the deal about the dentist.

Village Idiot wrote:

😄

Need a Lifesaver? 😆

Franklin Bluth wrote:

That's a completely different argument.The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has...

That's a completely different argument.

The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has always had stars who did exactly that.

Now you're saying Hannah, Johnson, and Ward were allowed to do it because they really meant it, while Deegan is doing it for attention. Unless you're a mind reader, you have no idea whether that's true.

And even if it is true, so what?

If Deegan is saying things that get fans, media, riders, and entire message boards talking about him nonstop, then he's doing exactly what stars in the sport have always done.

What's funny is how thin-skinned fans have become. We constantly hear people on Vital and other places complain that racers today have no personality, everybody gives the same canned interviews, and nobody says anything interesting. Then the moment someone talks a little trash, half the motocross world acts like Deegan committed a felony.

Tyler D wrote:

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they...

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they do. They don't have to make up stories about their shortcomings to nurture their egos. 

Saying there's deegan and everyone else is a false dichotomy. You can have personality and not be a fake sociopath.  Putting deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood. When Hannah compliments decoster, you know he means it. When RC or deegan compliment someone, there's always some hidden condescension or patronizing tone, because they're so afraid of feeling less than (like a woman)

Calling people thin skinned because they call out poor character when they see it is rather disingenuous. There's a difference between being easily personally offended and disgust. Deegan falls into that uncanny valley of human behavior for a lot of folks and this triggers a response of disgust. 

 

Just really disingenuous equivocation and semantic looseness all around on your part. 

Franklin Bluth wrote:

HAHAHAHA! Did you even read what you wrote? Let me help you understand the debate... My argument is that motocross has always had polarizing personalities, trash talkers...

HAHAHAHA! Did you even read what you wrote? Let me help you understand the debate... 

My argument is that motocross has always had polarizing personalities, trash talkers, villains, fan favorites, and riders people loved to hate. You listed some very good examples. That's my argument. 

Many dislike Deegan's personality. That's exactly what polarizing athletes do, i.e., they create strong reactions. Some people love them, some people hate them BUT everyone talks about them. 

Where you go off the rails is when you respond with an entire psychological profile of Deegan that boils down to essentially "I think he's fake." 

Okay. That's your opinion. 

But you're presenting subjective judgments as objective facts. You don't know what's in Deegan's head any more than I do. And that isn't my point at all anyway (go back to the first paragraph for a refresher) 

"Putting Deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood." That's not an argument. It's an emotional value judgment. That's fandom.

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Village Idiot wrote:

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's...

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's the pinnacle of his intellect, let me watch where I'm walking so I don't trip over it. 🙄

An observation isn't a judgement... and I can honestly and accurately say that I have never done or said things in public that drew the ire of others and then ran and hid behind a Bible... and then once the dust settled, went back to the previous behavior nor have I posted videos using profane langauge directed at people who dared to question or criticize my (or my family member's) decisions and actions. 

I've got plenty of shortcomings, but I can't claim to have those on the list.

But let's not try to distract and deflect by questioning the virtue of the messenger - it doesn't change the validity of the statements and observations.

 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Village Idiot wrote:

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's...

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's the pinnacle of his intellect, let me watch where I'm walking so I don't trip over it. 🙄

An observation isn't a judgement... and I can honestly and accurately say that I have never done or said things in public that drew the ire of others and then ran and hid behind a Bible... and then once the dust settled, went back to the previous behavior nor have I posted videos using profane langauge directed at people who dared to question or criticize my (or my family member's) decisions and actions. 

I've got plenty of shortcomings, but I can't claim to have those on the list.

But let's not try to distract and deflect by questioning the virtue of the messenger - it doesn't change the validity of the statements and observations.

 

super_fan_38 wrote:

Your statements have no validity.  You seem to be saying that you have shortcomings, but your shortcomings are not Brian's.  When you say that, you are...

Your statements have no validity.  You seem to be saying that you have shortcomings, but your shortcomings are not Brian's.  When you say that, you are making a judgement, just as much as when you mockingly say, "spoken like a good Christian."  Last time I checked, there are no "good" Christians since according to the book of Romans, all have fallen short of the glory of God.  Paul leveled the playing field with that statement, so go clean your own house and mind your own business when it comes to the faith of others.

 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Tyler D wrote:

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they...

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they do. They don't have to make up stories about their shortcomings to nurture their egos. 

Saying there's deegan and everyone else is a false dichotomy. You can have personality and not be a fake sociopath.  Putting deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood. When Hannah compliments decoster, you know he means it. When RC or deegan compliment someone, there's always some hidden condescension or patronizing tone, because they're so afraid of feeling less than (like a woman)

Calling people thin skinned because they call out poor character when they see it is rather disingenuous. There's a difference between being easily personally offended and disgust. Deegan falls into that uncanny valley of human behavior for a lot of folks and this triggers a response of disgust. 

 

Just really disingenuous equivocation and semantic looseness all around on your part. 

Franklin Bluth wrote:

HAHAHAHA! Did you even read what you wrote? Let me help you understand the debate... My argument is that motocross has always had polarizing personalities, trash talkers...

HAHAHAHA! Did you even read what you wrote? Let me help you understand the debate... 

My argument is that motocross has always had polarizing personalities, trash talkers, villains, fan favorites, and riders people loved to hate. You listed some very good examples. That's my argument. 

Many dislike Deegan's personality. That's exactly what polarizing athletes do, i.e., they create strong reactions. Some people love them, some people hate them BUT everyone talks about them. 

Where you go off the rails is when you respond with an entire psychological profile of Deegan that boils down to essentially "I think he's fake." 

Okay. That's your opinion. 

But you're presenting subjective judgments as objective facts. You don't know what's in Deegan's head any more than I do. And that isn't my point at all anyway (go back to the first paragraph for a refresher) 

"Putting Deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood." That's not an argument. It's an emotional value judgment. That's fandom.

Tyler D wrote:

struck a nerve i guess. im saying that he can do whatever he wants but it comes across as pretty fake. alot of folks with similar...

struck a nerve i guess. im saying that he can do whatever he wants but it comes across as pretty fake. alot of folks with similar social calibration feel the same. it's ok that you don't. the only fact i argued in that post was that There's a difference between being easily personally offended and disgust. everything else is implicitly subjective, but that's what we do here. it's ironic it triggers you but you want to criticize people for supposedly being triggered by your favorite rider. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

Your statements have no validity.  You seem to be saying that you have shortcomings, but your shortcomings are not Brian's.  When you say that, you are...

Your statements have no validity.  You seem to be saying that you have shortcomings, but your shortcomings are not Brian's.  When you say that, you are making a judgement, just as much as when you mockingly say, "spoken like a good Christian."  Last time I checked, there are no "good" Christians since according to the book of Romans, all have fallen short of the glory of God.  Paul leveled the playing field with that statement, so go clean your own house and mind your own business when it comes to the faith of others.

 

seth505 wrote:

Why do some of you reference the bible like it's a gotcha moment? There are plenty of unhinged books out there, but the one you're talking...

Why do some of you reference the bible like it's a gotcha moment? There are plenty of unhinged books out there, but the one you're talking about probably takes the cake.

Psalms 137:9   "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

I hope we can all agree that that is NOT NICE. 😄

seth505 wrote:

Why do some of you reference the bible like it's a gotcha moment? There are plenty of unhinged books out there, but the one you're talking...

Why do some of you reference the bible like it's a gotcha moment? There are plenty of unhinged books out there, but the one you're talking about probably takes the cake.

Psalms 137:9   "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

I hope we can all agree that that is NOT NICE. 😄

Goat of Lurkers wrote:

This sounds like The Church of Reddit.  You're probably religious toward your Alexa and dont even realize it. 

Fouled Plug wrote:

Remember when Danger told an entire stadium to suck it? 🤔

Fouled Plug wrote:

Remember when Danger told an entire stadium to suck it? 🤔

BossWool2800 wrote:

I realize this thread was created for the peanut gallery to laugh and point fingers when Haiden didn’t beat Jett.But let’s get some reality in here...

I realize this thread was created for the peanut gallery to laugh and point fingers when Haiden didn’t beat Jett.

But let’s get some reality in here and dial it back from: attacking his religion; his family; micro-picking every little thing he said. This is literally only his third or fourth 450 race. He is the only rider in the entire paddock right now actually stepping up to challenge Jett and Hunter instead of just settling for a podium. Love him or hate him, the kid’s raw confidence is exactly what this sport needs and probably what will be needed to beat Jett.