Shimoda Racecraft

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I’m a huge Shimoda fan, but the last few weeks he keeps getting stuck behind guys hes faster than. It goes back to supercross too that he has trouble getting around guys. I feel like he needs to get better at block passing in order to make it stick. Does he need a riding coach to help with racecraft? We saw him do that switchback coming down the hill where he tricked the guy in front of him so he could pass him on the inside. He does stuff like that, but then gets stuck behind certain guys for a quarter of the race. Whats the problem and how does he improve it? 

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Def needs some help, rooting for him coming back from scary injury.  100% needs to be shown how to block pass and make it stick

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Worse version of Moosecan't, another overrated Kervella product that never delivers. 

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It's always easy from the couch

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RACING wrote:

Worse version of Moosecan't, another overrated Kervella product that never delivers. 

I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I wouldnt say he never delivered. 

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Minear read him like a book. Very impressive from such a young rider. That being said, Shimoda shouldn't be getting out smarted by a rookie. His race craft is definitely the weakest area of his skillset

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RACING wrote:

Worse version of Moosecan't, another overrated Kervella product that never delivers. 

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I...

I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I wouldnt say he never delivered. 

Straight rhythm, really??

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His trying to pass by railing outside lines are not working out.

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I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.

The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a while to get going.

Interestingly, when he gets on a 450…this situation seems to evolve into less of a problem as we saw at the MXoN.

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a...

I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.

The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a while to get going.

Interestingly, when he gets on a 450…this situation seems to evolve into less of a problem as we saw at the MXoN.

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. 

But I think about how he starts....

He has to have passed more guys than anyone else this year...? In either class!

Not fully closing the door on Cayden was hard to watch, but sending it too hard and crashing, loosing points... that would have been way worse to watch. 

He has closed up like 15 point gap in 2 races. Yeah, big part of that was others crashing,  but he didn't...

Rooting for Joe to take this one all the way!

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a...

I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.

The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a while to get going.

Interestingly, when he gets on a 450…this situation seems to evolve into less of a problem as we saw at the MXoN.

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. But I think about how he starts....He has to have passed more guys than anyone...

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. 

But I think about how he starts....

He has to have passed more guys than anyone else this year...? In either class!

Not fully closing the door on Cayden was hard to watch, but sending it too hard and crashing, loosing points... that would have been way worse to watch. 

He has closed up like 15 point gap in 2 races. Yeah, big part of that was others crashing,  but he didn't...

Rooting for Joe to take this one all the way!

Yup. There’s a patience and self-control aspect to his racing that is mind blowing. Then he gets up on the podium and owns it…

“I wasn’t riding fast enough.”

Pfffft…uh, Jo? You were killing it. Ya just need to go practice your starts with your Aussie team-mates! 🤣

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a...

I’m a fan of Jo’s. The dude is amazing.

The main thing I see him needing to work on is his early moto intensity. He takes a while to get going.

Interestingly, when he gets on a 450…this situation seems to evolve into less of a problem as we saw at the MXoN.

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. But I think about how he starts....He has to have passed more guys than anyone...

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. 

But I think about how he starts....

He has to have passed more guys than anyone else this year...? In either class!

Not fully closing the door on Cayden was hard to watch, but sending it too hard and crashing, loosing points... that would have been way worse to watch. 

He has closed up like 15 point gap in 2 races. Yeah, big part of that was others crashing,  but he didn't...

Rooting for Joe to take this one all the way!

TeamGreen wrote:
Yup. There’s a patience and self-control aspect to his racing that is mind blowing. Then he gets up on the podium and owns it…“I wasn’t riding...

Yup. There’s a patience and self-control aspect to his racing that is mind blowing. Then he gets up on the podium and owns it…

“I wasn’t riding fast enough.”

Pfffft…uh, Jo? You were killing it. Ya just need to go practice your starts with your Aussie team-mates! 🤣

Thats my other thought as well.

Yeah, they're different bikes, but how can Honda own 450 starts and not be able to help Joe just get a top 3 start?!

Is that Honda 250 underpowered?

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ti473 wrote:

It's always easy from the couch

It's actually a great place to figure out who's strong and who's weak.

If Shimoda wins this championship, it'll just be a proof that whole 250 pack is veeeery weak. 

 

Go Davies!!!

 

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RACING wrote:

Worse version of Moosecan't, another overrated Kervella product that never delivers. 

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I...

I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I wouldnt say he never delivered. 

Man, I'm sorry I don't have enough time to list all the occasions he missed...
Let's just say he lots a 250 SX to... Wil Hahn, was supposed to be KTM's first pilot after Dungey left, was immediately spanked by Webb the minute he came, after being punished by someone as overtrained and reliable than Anderson... 

Globally another great "title contender" -on paper. For ten years, every year was supposed to be his year.

And yeah, clearly, Monster Cup and RBSR are what matters. 

 

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Minear read him like a book. Very impressive from such a young rider. That being said, Shimoda shouldn't be getting out smarted by a rookie. His...

Minear read him like a book. Very impressive from such a young rider. That being said, Shimoda shouldn't be getting out smarted by a rookie. His race craft is definitely the weakest area of his skillset

Shimoda's moto was pathetic. And you think that guy deserves the championship?
 

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If you think Shimodas racecraft is bad, you should see this one guy named Kitchen. 

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Its like Shimoda expects people to do what he does when people show him a wheel or get the first part of the pass done he lets them have it. He gets flustered when other riders he's trying to pass don't do the same. 

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Minear read him like a book. Very impressive from such a young rider. That being said, Shimoda shouldn't be getting out smarted by a rookie. His...

Minear read him like a book. Very impressive from such a young rider. That being said, Shimoda shouldn't be getting out smarted by a rookie. His race craft is definitely the weakest area of his skillset

RACING wrote:

Shimoda's moto was pathetic. And you think that guy deserves the championship?
 

If he wins it then he deserves it. 

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This is the same Forum that a few days ago had a majority saying Shimoda should be on a 450 now and yet I read this so far,  I mean WTF people.

Shimoda didn't have the best day on Saturday trying to set up passes or picking lines. But who did?. Go race that particular track, on that day with the prep and get back to me on how easy it is getting passed guys. I mean come on. He got 3 rd overall. Not what he wants, sure, but he's only 1 point down in the championship and he missed all of SX and is recovering from a major injury. I'd say he's doing pretty dam well considering. 

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This is the same Forum that a few days ago had a majority saying Shimoda should be on a 450 now and yet I read this...

This is the same Forum that a few days ago had a majority saying Shimoda should be on a 450 now and yet I read this so far,  I mean WTF people.

Shimoda didn't have the best day on Saturday trying to set up passes or picking lines. But who did?. Go race that particular track, on that day with the prep and get back to me on how easy it is getting passed guys. I mean come on. He got 3 rd overall. Not what he wants, sure, but he's only 1 point down in the championship and he missed all of SX and is recovering from a major injury. I'd say he's doing pretty dam well considering. 

Enter Sandman 

👍🏼

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What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are so many more direct words with clearer meaning that could be used in it's place? Are you talking about his racing strategy, riding style, aggressiveness?  You make it sound more mysterious than just not getting enough good starts. Shimoda is second in points, only one 1 point down from the points leader, and we must examine his "racecraft" to see what is mysteriously wrong?

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What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are...

What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are so many more direct words with clearer meaning that could be used in it's place? Are you talking about his racing strategy, riding style, aggressiveness?  You make it sound more mysterious than just not getting enough good starts. Shimoda is second in points, only one 1 point down from the points leader, and we must examine his "racecraft" to see what is mysteriously wrong?

Makes it sound stronger to the everyday spectator.

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I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. But I think about how he starts....He has to have passed more guys than anyone...

I get it, and have the same thoughts about his issues passing. 

But I think about how he starts....

He has to have passed more guys than anyone else this year...? In either class!

Not fully closing the door on Cayden was hard to watch, but sending it too hard and crashing, loosing points... that would have been way worse to watch. 

He has closed up like 15 point gap in 2 races. Yeah, big part of that was others crashing,  but he didn't...

Rooting for Joe to take this one all the way!

TeamGreen wrote:
Yup. There’s a patience and self-control aspect to his racing that is mind blowing. Then he gets up on the podium and owns it…“I wasn’t riding...

Yup. There’s a patience and self-control aspect to his racing that is mind blowing. Then he gets up on the podium and owns it…

“I wasn’t riding fast enough.”

Pfffft…uh, Jo? You were killing it. Ya just need to go practice your starts with your Aussie team-mates! 🤣

Thats my other thought as well.Yeah, they're different bikes, but how can Honda own 450 starts and not be able to help Joe just get a...

Thats my other thought as well.

Yeah, they're different bikes, but how can Honda own 450 starts and not be able to help Joe just get a top 3 start?!

Is that Honda 250 underpowered?

From what I read, yes.

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Racecraft only matters when you are battling for the lead or a few spots.

Jo struggling at times to come through 10-16 guys is almost purely a reflection of terrible starts. Any "racecraft" cannot override that disadvantage. 

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What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are...

What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are so many more direct words with clearer meaning that could be used in it's place? Are you talking about his racing strategy, riding style, aggressiveness?  You make it sound more mysterious than just not getting enough good starts. Shimoda is second in points, only one 1 point down from the points leader, and we must examine his "racecraft" to see what is mysteriously wrong?

Except he is outside of the top 10 at most starts. At some point, that has to be concerning for a championship contender.

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What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are...

What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are so many more direct words with clearer meaning that could be used in it's place? Are you talking about his racing strategy, riding style, aggressiveness?  You make it sound more mysterious than just not getting enough good starts. Shimoda is second in points, only one 1 point down from the points leader, and we must examine his "racecraft" to see what is mysteriously wrong?

Except he is outside of the top 10 at most starts. At some point, that has to be concerning for a championship contender.

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys that always get great starts and slide backwards from there.

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RACING wrote:

Worse version of Moosecan't, another overrated Kervella product that never delivers. 

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I...

I mean musquin won the mx2 world championship twice, 250sx east championship, 2015 MXON, monster cup, and went undefeated at straight rythm as 4x winner. I wouldnt say he never delivered. 

soggy wrote:

Straight rhythm, really??

Yeah really...  Straight Rhythm was/is great racing & entertainment.

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What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are...

What is this obscure, nebulous word you speak of called "racecraft"? Is it spooky like witchcraft? Who made up this silly, useless word when there are so many more direct words with clearer meaning that could be used in it's place? Are you talking about his racing strategy, riding style, aggressiveness?  You make it sound more mysterious than just not getting enough good starts. Shimoda is second in points, only one 1 point down from the points leader, and we must examine his "racecraft" to see what is mysteriously wrong?

Except he is outside of the top 10 at most starts. At some point, that has to be concerning for a championship contender.

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys...

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys that always get great starts and slide backwards from there.

Tomac was never a good starter, but I don't recall him ever being very consistently outside the top 10 like we're seeing for Jo. I don't think we've seen a consistently bad starter be a title threat outside of Ferrandis in recent years. And I think Jo might be worse than Dylan.

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2 points from being points leader.  This is a slow build to the top... unless Cole catches fire.

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Except he is outside of the top 10 at most starts. At some point, that has to be concerning for a championship contender.

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys...

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys that always get great starts and slide backwards from there.

Tomac was never a good starter, but I don't recall him ever being very consistently outside the top 10 like we're seeing for Jo. I don't...

Tomac was never a good starter, but I don't recall him ever being very consistently outside the top 10 like we're seeing for Jo. I don't think we've seen a consistently bad starter be a title threat outside of Ferrandis in recent years. And I think Jo might be worse than Dylan.

He is just coming back from a broken neck and yet still 2nd in points and only 1 point away from the points lead. Is this keeping you awake at night? He is doing it his way and perhaps shying away from a potential first turn pile up having just broke his neck.

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Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys...

Tomac had the same issue. We can bet that he and his team have been thinking about it for a while.  Then there are the guys that always get great starts and slide backwards from there.

Tomac was never a good starter, but I don't recall him ever being very consistently outside the top 10 like we're seeing for Jo. I don't...

Tomac was never a good starter, but I don't recall him ever being very consistently outside the top 10 like we're seeing for Jo. I don't think we've seen a consistently bad starter be a title threat outside of Ferrandis in recent years. And I think Jo might be worse than Dylan.

He is just coming back from a broken neck and yet still 2nd in points and only 1 point away from the points lead. Is this...

He is just coming back from a broken neck and yet still 2nd in points and only 1 point away from the points lead. Is this keeping you awake at night? He is doing it his way and perhaps shying away from a potential first turn pile up having just broke his neck.

Man, I got nothing but love for Jo, but he's gonna have to be fighting for positions at the first corner at some point soon. 

They're a lot easier spots than the ones he is trying to compete for late in the race.

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