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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 9:43am
Meanwhile in the 250 Pro class, Billy Musgrave moved up from the Intermediate ranks for the first time and went home with the 250 Pro victory. Musgrave’s win was also notable because he was on a KTM 150SX two-stroke in a field of 250 four-strokes.

Over-40 Intermediates: This was another two-stroke victory as Dan Alamangos used a box stock Yamaha YZ125 to post a 2-1. Amazingly, second place went to another YZ125 two-stroke with Cary Brown going 3-3. Shaun Hanson, who was second overall in the Vet Intermediates, was third in the Over-40 Intermediates with a 1-5. Tim Harris, also on a two-stroke took fourth with Mike Phillips in fifth. Two-strokes also won the Over-40 Pro class (with Willy Musgrave) and, of course, the 125 Novice class (with Carson Forbes).

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NeWskoolmxer
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2/2/2011 9:24am
Ohhh yay.........
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2/2/2011 9:26am
I think Willy's been riding an AF500, no??
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2/2/2011 9:43am
tomcat wrote:
Meanwhile in the 250 Pro class, Billy Musgrave moved up from the Intermediate ranks for the first time and went home with the 250 Pro victory...
Meanwhile in the 250 Pro class, Billy Musgrave moved up from the Intermediate ranks for the first time and went home with the 250 Pro victory. Musgrave’s win was also notable because he was on a KTM 150SX two-stroke in a field of 250 four-strokes.

Over-40 Intermediates: This was another two-stroke victory as Dan Alamangos used a box stock Yamaha YZ125 to post a 2-1. Amazingly, second place went to another YZ125 two-stroke with Cary Brown going 3-3. Shaun Hanson, who was second overall in the Vet Intermediates, was third in the Over-40 Intermediates with a 1-5. Tim Harris, also on a two-stroke took fourth with Mike Phillips in fifth. Two-strokes also won the Over-40 Pro class (with Willy Musgrave) and, of course, the 125 Novice class (with Carson Forbes).

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What in the hell did you just say tommy cat? Its a little earley for the red wine my freind, spring is on the way though, excited to moto.
hellion
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2/2/2011 9:52am
The latest issue of MXA has a great story about Willy Musgrave racing a ten year old CR250 against good riders on modern four strokes and winning. It's worth a read even if you don't like MXA. Willy makes some really good points on the positive attributes of the two stroke, not the least of which was how much fun it was to ride in comparison.
For all you guys who say "not this $hit again", get used to it. It seems to be happening more and more and that's because the pendulum has begun to swing the other way.

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2/2/2011 10:09am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2011 10:09am
drmarkr wrote:
I think Willy's been riding an AF500, no??
No a 2001 CR 250.
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2/2/2011 10:15am
Sounds like the two strokes are not at a disadvantage.

Good news, so no more whining from all of you two stroke guys?
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2/2/2011 11:30am
jmar wrote:
Sounds like the two strokes are not at a disadvantage.

Good news, so no more whining from all of you two stroke guys?
POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
TeamGreen
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2/2/2011 11:39am
Wow...
Big News!

(Good job by my boy Cary Brown, tho...that YZs been around for a while!)
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REM SAT MX FTW
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It's amazing the dickhead tone that has taken this place over.
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2/2/2011 11:47am
jmar wrote:
Sounds like the two strokes are not at a disadvantage.

Good news, so no more whining from all of you two stroke guys?
GuppyGahoo wrote:
POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
HO MF'N F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2/2/2011 11:57am
jmar wrote:
Sounds like the two strokes are not at a disadvantage.

Good news, so no more whining from all of you two stroke guys?
You got that right Jim. It's painfully obvious that the 4 stroke is the disadvantaged one, so disadvantaged that it requires twice the displacement to compete. With all the whining from the 4 stroke sheep I don't know if I could handle anymore if cc/cc was made legal in pro racing.
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2/2/2011 12:15pm
tomcat wrote:
Meanwhile in the 250 Pro class, Billy Musgrave moved up from the Intermediate ranks for the first time and went home with the 250 Pro victory...
Meanwhile in the 250 Pro class, Billy Musgrave moved up from the Intermediate ranks for the first time and went home with the 250 Pro victory. Musgrave’s win was also notable because he was on a KTM 150SX two-stroke in a field of 250 four-strokes.

Over-40 Intermediates: This was another two-stroke victory as Dan Alamangos used a box stock Yamaha YZ125 to post a 2-1. Amazingly, second place went to another YZ125 two-stroke with Cary Brown going 3-3. Shaun Hanson, who was second overall in the Vet Intermediates, was third in the Over-40 Intermediates with a 1-5. Tim Harris, also on a two-stroke took fourth with Mike Phillips in fifth. Two-strokes also won the Over-40 Pro class (with Willy Musgrave) and, of course, the 125 Novice class (with Carson Forbes).

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Looks like the two stroke action is picking up in Ca. Appears as if some of the better riders are choosing the 2 stroke as the weapon of choice.

agency399
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2/2/2011 12:28pm
It's amazing the dickhead tone that has taken this place over.
haha Tom is a moto buddy of mine.......
john bon jovi
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2/2/2011 12:52pm
Wowwwwww. Put anyone fast on one and they'll probably still win. It's the rider not the bike. I'm sorry I like new technology over an outdated bike.

Now go crawl under your rock with your dsl and gigantic cell phone.
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2/2/2011 12:56pm
The SX144 is the same engine as the 150, right? Kind of like how the 520 became the 525 one year even though the engine didn't change. I'm curious if the only changes from 07 on were basically chassis and suspension.
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The SX144 is the same engine as the 150, right? Kind of like how the 520 became the 525 one year even though the engine didn't...
The SX144 is the same engine as the 150, right? Kind of like how the 520 became the 525 one year even though the engine didn't change. I'm curious if the only changes from 07 on were basically chassis and suspension.
Yep, the 150 is still 144 displacement.
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Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a local track with no one really there because they were at the gold cup.
Dunno about you guys but Im selling my 4 stroke tomorrow! Also I'm getting an orange helmet too. On second thought, with this breaking news, someone get Dungey on the phone! Tell him that all he needs is a 250 2 stroke and he will win all the races from here out because willy fucking musgrave did it in the vet class at the rem race!

You guys need to realize something. 2 strokes are fun to ride and when the doc tells neck can ride again, I'll buy an ol beater and have some fun. But, the way technology and the rules have gone since the yzm400, racing someone who has competitive speed riding a 250 2 stoke bs a 450 is at a disadvantage. That's it, no more discussion really needed
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2/2/2011 1:44pm
Pool-eh wrote:
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a...
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a local track with no one really there because they were at the gold cup.
Dunno about you guys but Im selling my 4 stroke tomorrow! Also I'm getting an orange helmet too. On second thought, with this breaking news, someone get Dungey on the phone! Tell him that all he needs is a 250 2 stroke and he will win all the races from here out because willy fucking musgrave did it in the vet class at the rem race!

You guys need to realize something. 2 strokes are fun to ride and when the doc tells neck can ride again, I'll buy an ol beater and have some fun. But, the way technology and the rules have gone since the yzm400, racing someone who has competitive speed riding a 250 2 stoke bs a 450 is at a disadvantage. That's it, no more discussion really needed
Greatest single post on this topic of ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2/2/2011 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2011 2:07pm
Pool-eh wrote:
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a...
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a local track with no one really there because they were at the gold cup.
Dunno about you guys but Im selling my 4 stroke tomorrow! Also I'm getting an orange helmet too. On second thought, with this breaking news, someone get Dungey on the phone! Tell him that all he needs is a 250 2 stroke and he will win all the races from here out because willy fucking musgrave did it in the vet class at the rem race!

You guys need to realize something. 2 strokes are fun to ride and when the doc tells neck can ride again, I'll buy an ol beater and have some fun. But, the way technology and the rules have gone since the yzm400, racing someone who has competitive speed riding a 250 2 stoke bs a 450 is at a disadvantage. That's it, no more discussion really needed
Yeah, too bad for those 4 strokes, that now they have to race a 250F against the 250 2 stroke. All that brand new technology that is still slower. 2003ish technology whipping up on 2011 250F's. Pretty sad, if you think about it. Shows how far we HAVEN'T gone. LMFAO
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^^^ where can you race a 250 2 stroke in the 250f/125/lites/whatever you want to call it? Rem and AMA amateur racing. That's it. So yeah if you only race lorettas or you like riding the same rem race 50 Saturdays outta the year and you own a 250 smoker, you're in luck! If you're like most of America and your local track doesn't apply these rules... Guess you're racing against 450s huh?
Let it go people! 2 strokes are blast to ride. Keep it that way. Like I said before, the way the rules are set up, you're at a disadvantage when it comes to racing. If you wanna race one, fine, just don't complain if your getting "killed on the starts" or "pulled up the hills" or you have to "override the bike" to be competitive.
2/2/2011 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2011 3:02pm
Pool-eh wrote:
^^^ where can you race a 250 2 stroke in the 250f/125/lites/whatever you want to call it? Rem and AMA amateur racing. That's it. So yeah...
^^^ where can you race a 250 2 stroke in the 250f/125/lites/whatever you want to call it? Rem and AMA amateur racing. That's it. So yeah if you only race lorettas or you like riding the same rem race 50 Saturdays outta the year and you own a 250 smoker, you're in luck! If you're like most of America and your local track doesn't apply these rules... Guess you're racing against 450s huh?
Let it go people! 2 strokes are blast to ride. Keep it that way. Like I said before, the way the rules are set up, you're at a disadvantage when it comes to racing. If you wanna race one, fine, just don't complain if your getting "killed on the starts" or "pulled up the hills" or you have to "override the bike" to be competitive.
WRONG! Ask MX7MX. 99.9% of the population according to him. I know that isn't true. But I do know Texas has switched. It's all going that way.
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The SX144 is the same engine as the 150, right? Kind of like how the 520 became the 525 one year even though the engine didn't...
The SX144 is the same engine as the 150, right? Kind of like how the 520 became the 525 one year even though the engine didn't change. I'm curious if the only changes from 07 on were basically chassis and suspension.
The 520 and 525 were both actually 510ccs.
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I has pizza for dinner LOL!, fight nice guys!
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2/2/2011 3:14pm
I was winning races on a yz 250 in The Florida series when the 4strokes came on strong then I rode my buddies 450 and said WTF this is a cheater bike for a lazy man. I bought one and really smoked them. I never got on my 250 again. lol i have been on a couple of newer 2strokes and man they just feel like your going nowhere. Still fun but so is my BBR TTr 125 and my 50 on my pitbike track. I have had 3 450's but I need a new one badly.
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2/2/2011 3:25pm
Besides riding about two laps at my friends track the first time i really rode it, I raced it at Dade City's night race before the FL series race the next day. There was only a few people in my class +25 so they put us with the 16-24 class. I motored to front and beat both classes both moto's. Normally i would not even claim my plaque if there were only a couple guys in my class but I had to get it after that ride. lol I was hooked on the 4 stroke after that.
2/2/2011 3:27pm
FLmxer wrote:
I was winning races on a yz 250 in The Florida series when the 4strokes came on strong then I rode my buddies 450 and said...
I was winning races on a yz 250 in The Florida series when the 4strokes came on strong then I rode my buddies 450 and said WTF this is a cheater bike for a lazy man. I bought one and really smoked them. I never got on my 250 again. lol i have been on a couple of newer 2strokes and man they just feel like your going nowhere. Still fun but so is my BBR TTr 125 and my 50 on my pitbike track. I have had 3 450's but I need a new one badly.
But the thing is, the 450F is pretty much now in it's own class. The 250 2 stroke will soon if not already be raced with 250F's. So try riding a 250F and let us know how that feels compared to a YZ250??
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2/2/2011 3:28pm
Man, if you want a 2 stroke buy one and race it, nobody else cares what you do. It's jokers like newman and his crew that come on here and seem to think its there business what other people spend there money on that annoy me. If i wanna spen 1500 bucks on a rebuild i will ( i dont, i have half a brain and can rebuild my own 4 stroke) but that's my business.

The cost of maintenance is negligible on either bike compared to all the other stuff we spend to go racing anyways.

Get off your high horse, ride what you want and let me do the same, stop trying to force everyone to go back to the past, things werent as rosy as everyone is pointing out anyways.
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2/2/2011 3:32pm
Pool-eh wrote:
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a...
Wooow a bunch of old guys who race the same track everyweekend, with slight changes, and one of their kids won the pro class at a local track with no one really there because they were at the gold cup.
Dunno about you guys but Im selling my 4 stroke tomorrow! Also I'm getting an orange helmet too. On second thought, with this breaking news, someone get Dungey on the phone! Tell him that all he needs is a 250 2 stroke and he will win all the races from here out because willy fucking musgrave did it in the vet class at the rem race!

You guys need to realize something. 2 strokes are fun to ride and when the doc tells neck can ride again, I'll buy an ol beater and have some fun. But, the way technology and the rules have gone since the yzm400, racing someone who has competitive speed riding a 250 2 stoke bs a 450 is at a disadvantage. That's it, no more discussion really needed
im a crazy 2 stroker,
but you hit the nail smack bang on the head,
the thing people need to realise,is that if you love them that much,ride the fuckin things and stop moaning about being at a disadvantage, and to be honest,id like to see them raced by the pros, but it doesnt really matter to be honest.
from the money you saved not having to pay 1000s in engine repair bills get some lessons,or twist your right wrist more.

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