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5/21/2026 10:08am
matt.3150 wrote:

Till they don’t need them. Thats the promise of Ai and your billionaires.   But the good news is the Republicans and MAGA have your back.

T-MAC wrote:
Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response...

Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response was because they have some of the smartest/highest IQ individuals in the world on their team, and they were the best people to train AI models on. Collected what they needed to, and now they are out the door.

You see factory workers wearing headsets so they can track and monitor human movement when doing a lot of dynamic movements and assembly tasks, to help train replacements.

I find it fascinating in a sense. Most humans live on autopilot these days, very disconnected on a human level, but very plugged in on a programmed/conditioned level. It's really easy to guess what people are thinking and going to say anymore as human agency continues to erode. Where humans are more robotic like than ever, robots are more human like than ever. Interesting times we are living in.

I see all the people in their cars during the morning rush hour to get to work and go be productive. Much like current passes through traces on a circuit board to destination components to complete a task.

Cities are like OG computers/datacenters. Lots of people in a confined space doing lots of tasks to make the greater societal machine tick. Facebook/Meta campus and the like were the evolution of that (more confined, less distractions, work more hours and give perks to keep people at work producing). And now the next step is simply massive warehouses where all the computing takes place, no need for humans and the things they needed to include to accommodate them.

I like trying to throw my algorithms curveballs as much as I can, keep that shit on its toes and confuse it. I say weird shit or shit I don't believe in to my phone often to confuse it. I am a weird dude, but find it entertaining. I was given the nickname 'spacebrain' in college, and the older I get the more I understand why many around me felt that was appropriate. 

Imagine if everyone's search history was available in the public domain 😂. Big brother has it.

We can, and did make this shit up. Smart folks amongst us just figured out how to channel it and recreate it in a much smaller, more powerful package.

Either way I am gonna do my best to enjoy the ride. 

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what would happen.

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5/21/2026 10:40am
So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what...

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what would happen.

This is a very good question, and one I don't have a concrete answer to. I just want to know myself better than the technology I use knows me in some cases. I can see it influencing recommendations and whatnot.

The goal of all the listening is to create a profile of us, so we can be predicted as best as possible. My goal was to try and make myself as unpredictable as possible in this regard. It's a work in progress.

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5/21/2026 3:25pm
matt.3150 wrote:

Till they don’t need them. Thats the promise of Ai and your billionaires.   But the good news is the Republicans and MAGA have your back.

T-MAC wrote:
Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response...

Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response was because they have some of the smartest/highest IQ individuals in the world on their team, and they were the best people to train AI models on. Collected what they needed to, and now they are out the door.

You see factory workers wearing headsets so they can track and monitor human movement when doing a lot of dynamic movements and assembly tasks, to help train replacements.

I find it fascinating in a sense. Most humans live on autopilot these days, very disconnected on a human level, but very plugged in on a programmed/conditioned level. It's really easy to guess what people are thinking and going to say anymore as human agency continues to erode. Where humans are more robotic like than ever, robots are more human like than ever. Interesting times we are living in.

I see all the people in their cars during the morning rush hour to get to work and go be productive. Much like current passes through traces on a circuit board to destination components to complete a task.

Cities are like OG computers/datacenters. Lots of people in a confined space doing lots of tasks to make the greater societal machine tick. Facebook/Meta campus and the like were the evolution of that (more confined, less distractions, work more hours and give perks to keep people at work producing). And now the next step is simply massive warehouses where all the computing takes place, no need for humans and the things they needed to include to accommodate them.

I like trying to throw my algorithms curveballs as much as I can, keep that shit on its toes and confuse it. I say weird shit or shit I don't believe in to my phone often to confuse it. I am a weird dude, but find it entertaining. I was given the nickname 'spacebrain' in college, and the older I get the more I understand why many around me felt that was appropriate. 

Imagine if everyone's search history was available in the public domain 😂. Big brother has it.

We can, and did make this shit up. Smart folks amongst us just figured out how to channel it and recreate it in a much smaller, more powerful package.

Either way I am gonna do my best to enjoy the ride. 

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what...

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what would happen.

I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the wealthy in turn the wealthy help them. It does happen with democrats but at a much lower leave. Republicans are doing everything they can to advance that agenda by any means necessary. Lie cheat steal! Trump just does it in front of everyone then says how it Biden fault. 

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I agree, I don't think you are following the conversation above. It's derailing the thread topic but it was related to intentionally feeding your phone/devices/etc. "bad" intel so you confuse it a bit. The point is to manipulate your digital profile so you aren't as predictable.

Algorithms rely on patterns to keep your attention or categorize you. By breaking those patterns, you break out of filter bubbles, protect your privacy, and reclaim your digital independence.

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The Shop

5/21/2026 5:14pm

Anyone ever heard of the Ai program RealPage? I remember reading about it years ago and thought it was worth bringing up. 

5/22/2026 10:17am
Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up...

Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.

Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up making the small nuclear reactors needed for powering these centers.

There is no chance those are built and online in the next 10 years. 

Nuclear is great, just not scalable for our needs. 

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5/22/2026 11:31am
T-MAC wrote:
Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response...

Yep. Meta just laid off 10% of their workforce. When asked at their town hall about how heavily employees were being tracked and monitored, Zuck's response was because they have some of the smartest/highest IQ individuals in the world on their team, and they were the best people to train AI models on. Collected what they needed to, and now they are out the door.

You see factory workers wearing headsets so they can track and monitor human movement when doing a lot of dynamic movements and assembly tasks, to help train replacements.

I find it fascinating in a sense. Most humans live on autopilot these days, very disconnected on a human level, but very plugged in on a programmed/conditioned level. It's really easy to guess what people are thinking and going to say anymore as human agency continues to erode. Where humans are more robotic like than ever, robots are more human like than ever. Interesting times we are living in.

I see all the people in their cars during the morning rush hour to get to work and go be productive. Much like current passes through traces on a circuit board to destination components to complete a task.

Cities are like OG computers/datacenters. Lots of people in a confined space doing lots of tasks to make the greater societal machine tick. Facebook/Meta campus and the like were the evolution of that (more confined, less distractions, work more hours and give perks to keep people at work producing). And now the next step is simply massive warehouses where all the computing takes place, no need for humans and the things they needed to include to accommodate them.

I like trying to throw my algorithms curveballs as much as I can, keep that shit on its toes and confuse it. I say weird shit or shit I don't believe in to my phone often to confuse it. I am a weird dude, but find it entertaining. I was given the nickname 'spacebrain' in college, and the older I get the more I understand why many around me felt that was appropriate. 

Imagine if everyone's search history was available in the public domain 😂. Big brother has it.

We can, and did make this shit up. Smart folks amongst us just figured out how to channel it and recreate it in a much smaller, more powerful package.

Either way I am gonna do my best to enjoy the ride. 

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what...

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what would happen.

matt.3150 wrote:
I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the...

I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the wealthy in turn the wealthy help them. It does happen with democrats but at a much lower leave. Republicans are doing everything they can to advance that agenda by any means necessary. Lie cheat steal! Trump just does it in front of everyone then says how it Biden fault. 

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart . When it comes to corruption and enriching themselves both parties are equally to blame for where we are now.

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5/22/2026 11:33am

Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why can’t the roofs be solar panels?

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5/22/2026 11:48am
Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up...

Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.

Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up making the small nuclear reactors needed for powering these centers.

tcannon521 wrote:

There is no chance those are built and online in the next 10 years. 

Nuclear is great, just not scalable for our needs. 

Amazon and the Department of Energy are sure gonna try though out here in Washington at the Hanford Reservation and it is all driven by AI power needs. I don't know if it will happen in ten years but everything is sure changing fast.

Press release if anyone is interested in Small Modular Reactor plans at Hanford. https://www.energy-northwest.com/news-releases/amazon-energy-northwest-announce-plans-to-develop-advanced-nuclear-technology-in-washington/

Reactor fuel. https://interestingengineering.com/energy/us-resurrect-cold-war-era-nuclear-plant

"The revival of these legacy sites reflects a strategic pivot to treat nuclear fuel as a national security priority. With electricity consumption in the US expected to hit record highs in 2026, the race to provide clean, safe, baseload power has become inextricably linked to the global AI race.

Regarding the specific sites involved, the Hanford FMEF has been dormant for over 30 years and will now focus on fuel cycle research and materials.

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5/22/2026 11:49am
R66 wrote:
Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why...

Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why can’t the roofs be solar panels?

Are these serious questions or rhetorical?

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5/22/2026 11:59am
R66 wrote:
Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why...

Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why can’t the roofs be solar panels?

Basic answer is because the equipment required, is way too heavy for a vertical structure to support.

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5/22/2026 12:29pm
matt.3150 wrote:
I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the...

I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the wealthy in turn the wealthy help them. It does happen with democrats but at a much lower leave. Republicans are doing everything they can to advance that agenda by any means necessary. Lie cheat steal! Trump just does it in front of everyone then says how it Biden fault. 

Let me turn it around for you...

I believe the entire democratic party is trying to take my hard earned money and give it away to illegals and lazy people while making sure that rhere is no such thing as a criminal and all of my property and possessions are free for the takng.

See how easy it is for you to sound like a blind to reality moron?

There are moderates on BOTH sides of the aisle, same as there are the loud obnoxious jack wagons you only hear about it on the news feeds you choose to follow.

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5/22/2026 2:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2026 2:24pm
R66 wrote:
Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why...

Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why can’t the roofs be solar panels?

Basic answer is because the equipment required, is way too heavy for a vertical structure to support.

China is building them underwater which is ingenious for cooling and landmass savings. 

They are also coupling them with big solar farms (some floating too), wind and battery storage. 

5/22/2026 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2026 2:44pm
Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up...

Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.

Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up making the small nuclear reactors needed for powering these centers.

tcannon521 wrote:

There is no chance those are built and online in the next 10 years. 

Nuclear is great, just not scalable for our needs. 

Amazon and the Department of Energy are sure gonna try though out here in Washington at the Hanford Reservation and it is all driven by AI...

Amazon and the Department of Energy are sure gonna try though out here in Washington at the Hanford Reservation and it is all driven by AI power needs. I don't know if it will happen in ten years but everything is sure changing fast.

Press release if anyone is interested in Small Modular Reactor plans at Hanford. https://www.energy-northwest.com/news-releases/amazon-energy-northwest-announce-plans-to-develop-advanced-nuclear-technology-in-washington/

Reactor fuel. https://interestingengineering.com/energy/us-resurrect-cold-war-era-nuclear-plant

"The revival of these legacy sites reflects a strategic pivot to treat nuclear fuel as a national security priority. With electricity consumption in the US expected to hit record highs in 2026, the race to provide clean, safe, baseload power has become inextricably linked to the global AI race.

Regarding the specific sites involved, the Hanford FMEF has been dormant for over 30 years and will now focus on fuel cycle research and materials.

The governments and businesses that want these centers aren’t waiting a year much less ten years for offsetting power plants to come online. For reference, Musk’s xAI data center in Memphis went online in less than a year and he brought in mobile natural gas/methane generators to partially power it.

These entities are looking for cheap land, cheap electricity rates and politicians who are easily swayed by the buzz of saying Meta (or anyone other major company) is investing in our area and I did a great job or they are just too dumb to know the downstream impacts to their communities from the few hundred jobs they created  


My Google (thanks data center 😬) research on the link you shared makes it appear they are targeting the 2030’s and your press release was from 2024. Those are interesting though, they must be pretty small since they only output 80MW each  


 

 

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So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what...

So what was the outcome of saying weird stuff or stuff you did not believe out loud? I've pondered doing this also just to see what would happen.

matt.3150 wrote:
I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the...

I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the wealthy in turn the wealthy help them. It does happen with democrats but at a much lower leave. Republicans are doing everything they can to advance that agenda by any means necessary. Lie cheat steal! Trump just does it in front of everyone then says how it Biden fault. 

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart...

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart . When it comes to corruption and enriching themselves both parties are equally to blame for where we are now.

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

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5/22/2026 3:37pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2026 3:39pm
matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

One person, one vote gets you a State, and then Nation that is King County (Seattle) in this example.

The people out in the middle rural parts of the country are then completely alienated as they will NEVER have the numbers to overcome what the massive population centers in liberal cities can and will vote for.

The Electoral College serves a distinct purpose to put value to the voters in rural locations as was intended by the Founding Fathers.

Now what should be done 1st (IMO) is to make the Electoral College based on district and not the State. If Dems win the popular vote in say WA but only carry Sea-Tac and Vancouver when the rest of the State districts are all red EVERY Electoral College vote should NOT go all blue. If your district is red (or blue) that Electoral College vote should be for that candidate.

SLC shouldn't be speaking for all of Utah, same as Seattle shouldn't be able to speak for the rest of Washington, Denver shouldn't speak for the rest of Colorado or Minneapolis/St. Paul should be speaking for all of Minnesota. One person, one vote isn't going to fix that.

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5/22/2026 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2026 4:46pm
matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

Beta480RX wrote:
One person, one vote gets you a State, and then Nation that is King County (Seattle) in this example.The people out in the middle rural parts...

One person, one vote gets you a State, and then Nation that is King County (Seattle) in this example.

The people out in the middle rural parts of the country are then completely alienated as they will NEVER have the numbers to overcome what the massive population centers in liberal cities can and will vote for.

The Electoral College serves a distinct purpose to put value to the voters in rural locations as was intended by the Founding Fathers.

Now what should be done 1st (IMO) is to make the Electoral College based on district and not the State. If Dems win the popular vote in say WA but only carry Sea-Tac and Vancouver when the rest of the State districts are all red EVERY Electoral College vote should NOT go all blue. If your district is red (or blue) that Electoral College vote should be for that candidate.

SLC shouldn't be speaking for all of Utah, same as Seattle shouldn't be able to speak for the rest of Washington, Denver shouldn't speak for the rest of Colorado or Minneapolis/St. Paul should be speaking for all of Minnesota. One person, one vote isn't going to fix that.

So in your mind a few thousand people should equal the same as millions because they live in a rural area compared to a city. That make no sense. How does that make everyone equal. But you kind of said it yourself, it’s not about being equal it’s about how they vote, so honestly that’s part of the problem.  

I am talking presidential elections, but districts have to be represented in congress but in my opinion all the districts need to have the same number of people in them, that way everyone has equal representation. 

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Gotta push back on the "capitalism creates greed" part. There's no thing which makes good people turn bad. There are only mediums which allow people to show you who they are. 

And our system is fine. Large states rule has big problems and small states having the same power as large states has big problems, so our house/senate mix is the balance between those two. It's the KTM690 for when you need to get through some singletrack and also do 80mph on the way home. Yes people are unhappy when they want to hit Larocco's Leap and people are unhappy when they want to do a buck eighty across Nevada, but you can't have it both ways, so we just have to live with "somewhat decent at everything". 

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R66 wrote:
Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why...

Why can’t these data centers be built as sky scrapers instead of taking up so many acres? If they do have to be built flat, why can’t the roofs be solar panels?

The refrigeration needed for the cooling of these facilities is incredibly large. If they build the data center itself vertical, then the refrigeration equipment would occupy the space that the data center would have because you wouldn’t be able to sit enough on a single roof for more than a floor or two. 

That’s one of the reasons that so much power is needed. Yeah, the servers themselves chew through a lot of power but the refrigeration electrical demand is insane as well. It sounds like the more advanced servers needed for AI computing actually generate more heat so the electricity demand for cooling might actually increase. 

You’d think that in colder areas that the demand for cooling would go down drastically in the winter, but it sounds like it doesn’t drop all that much. 

Here’s a rooftop on a data center. Not all pack the rooftops this much but if not then the chillers wrap around the whole exterior. 

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Gotta push back on the "capitalism creates greed" part. There's no thing which makes good people turn bad. There are only mediums which allow people to...

Gotta push back on the "capitalism creates greed" part. There's no thing which makes good people turn bad. There are only mediums which allow people to show you who they are. 

And our system is fine. Large states rule has big problems and small states having the same power as large states has big problems, so our house/senate mix is the balance between those two. It's the KTM690 for when you need to get through some singletrack and also do 80mph on the way home. Yes people are unhappy when they want to hit Larocco's Leap and people are unhappy when they want to do a buck eighty across Nevada, but you can't have it both ways, so we just have to live with "somewhat decent at everything". 

Yes saying “Capitalism creates greed” is a bit over simplified. But like crime it create motive. It drives politics and it shouldn’t.  Greed is a problem. 

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Word, a massive problem. I just always feel the need to push back on stuff like that because of where the fix for it is implied. If we say that capitalism is the problem, then we focus on getting rid of capitalism and then yayyyy the problem is gone. In reality, after a herculean effort of replacing our system....the problem would 100% remain. And it comes with the bonus of further division, because the left wants it gone and the right wants it to stay, so then the problem is clearly the other guy that won't let you fix it, and not only do you not fix it because it's impossible without their help, but now you have a huge enemy when really you should be on the same side. It's lose-lose.

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Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up...

Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.

Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up making the small nuclear reactors needed for powering these centers.

tcannon521 wrote:

There is no chance those are built and online in the next 10 years. 

Nuclear is great, just not scalable for our needs. 

How do you mean not scalable?  

5/22/2026 10:12pm
matt.3150 wrote:
I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the...

I’m not following you, I believe that the entire Republican Party isn’t interested in helping Americans, they are interested in wealth and racism. They help the wealthy in turn the wealthy help them. It does happen with democrats but at a much lower leave. Republicans are doing everything they can to advance that agenda by any means necessary. Lie cheat steal! Trump just does it in front of everyone then says how it Biden fault. 

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart...

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart . When it comes to corruption and enriching themselves both parties are equally to blame for where we are now.

matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

That would never happen, the people who create the laws are the ones taking the money, what motivation would they have to stop?

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5/23/2026 6:46am
Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up...

Hopefully on site power supply, and nothing draining our already burdened power grid.

Right now, in the recently demolished K25 plant in Oakridge Tennessee, they're geared up making the small nuclear reactors needed for powering these centers.

tcannon521 wrote:

There is no chance those are built and online in the next 10 years. 

Nuclear is great, just not scalable for our needs. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

How do you mean not scalable?  

These data centers go up in 12 to 48 months depending on size and permit delays. Nuclear power plants take a decade minimum and usually decades to build and get online. This means nuclear power plants are not scalable to match the energy needs of these data centers. 

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5/23/2026 7:47am

Okay, I see where you’re coming from now. 

Yeah, it would be difficult to match the pace of demand right now, but the demand is still going to be increasing for quite a while and fast tracking nuclear reactor power plants should definitely be part of the long term plan. If we could add another 10% of our current electrical generation, that would be huge. That would take about 12 plants the size of the Vogtle plant in Georgia. Throw in some of the smaller plants regionally, and we’d start to see a bigger impact. 

Of course that still needs them to be built faster, and copying them from the current Vogtle plant, for example. I think you’d also want to make it a public entity, not privately owned, so that it can be stabilized for consumer cost instead of being operated to maximize maximum short term shareholder returns. But that’s a different topic altogether…..

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5/23/2026 9:37am
I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart...

I don’t agree that the democrats are any better. It’s the entire political system that does not have the American taxpayers best interests at heart . When it comes to corruption and enriching themselves both parties are equally to blame for where we are now.

matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

That would never happen, the people who create the laws are the ones taking the money, what motivation would they have to stop?

Understand, but the money needs to come out of politics so then you will have politicians there for more of the right reasons! 

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5/23/2026 10:46am
matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

That would never happen, the people who create the laws are the ones taking the money, what motivation would they have to stop?

matt.3150 wrote:

Understand, but the money needs to come out of politics so then you will have politicians there for more of the right reasons! 

According to Mike Johnson the only way to get people to do the job is to let them get rich while doing so. 

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5/23/2026 1:21pm

The rich just keep on getting richer 

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5/23/2026 6:32pm
matt.3150 wrote:
You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules...

You are correct,  it’s the money mainly! Capitalism creates greed, I don’t know how else to put that.  Special interest groups are a problem, ethics rules are lacking. We need to eliminate the electoral college and go with 1 person 1vote. Corporations can’t give money and individuals can only give say $500 or some small number, then it keeps things more far because everyone counts . 

That would never happen, the people who create the laws are the ones taking the money, what motivation would they have to stop?

matt.3150 wrote:

Understand, but the money needs to come out of politics so then you will have politicians there for more of the right reasons! 

I agree, but politicians will stop it happening.

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5/30/2026 5:40am
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Anyone following this story? A massive, recently approved AI data center project in Box Elder County, Utah, is slated to cover over 40,000 acres (roughly 62 square...

Anyone following this story? 

A massive, recently approved AI data center project in Box Elder County, Utah, is slated to cover over 40,000 acres (roughly 62 square miles), making it one of the largest in the world. Backed by investors including Kevin O'Leary, this project is projected to consume 9 gigawatts, which is more than double the current total energy usage of the entire state of Utah.

 

Apparently Musk is about to be a trillionaire 

Over $100 for every man, woman and child on this earth 

Meanwhile billions are being spent blowing up rockets 

Climate science is proven 

Climate change, global warming 

And ai mega factories are being built in oceans and arctic areas to cool them?

Why

Why?

 

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