Anyone else think deegan is a little overhyped

One thing is for sure, mention deegan, you’re getting downvoted on this site.

I think he will be a top 5 guy just based on his desire to push the whole moto. Not a fan off the track but no denying on the track he has "it." 

He went 13, 2, 1, 1 at Pala so clearly he is fast there. I can see him finishing anywhere between 1-7. I honestly don't see how he finishes worse than 5th though. Unless he implodes mentally. 

I see the top 6 (no particular order) as JL, HL, JCoop, Prado, ET, Deegan. 

Then you have Barcia, Haarup, Stewart, Pless, Hampshire (?),  Ferrandis, etc. 

Actually underhyped a bit going into the pros imo... but now, yes, wayyyy overhyped... they tryn to make him seem like he's the all time best in 250s... when he's more a top ten best ever sorta rider... 

Most recent video, he was slower than Barcias consistent laps at MTF. I think the kid is badass, but I don’t see his career being much different than JB’s. 

No doubt that Brian & Haiden have both helped in the "overhyping". Brian has obviously directed his son's trajectory, encouraged his practiced attitude, and created in him the "hate him or love him" thing just like he was with the Metal Mulisha deal. There is no doubt that the kid is fast, very talented & going to be one to watch coming into the 450's, but I don't think he will automatically be a real contender for the championship his first season.

His career is already much different than JB’s

Lap time same day and time or from Barcia riding another day and time?

Different days. But they said Barcia consistently does 2:05’s. Deegan went 2:07’s and then high 2:05 on his sprint lap. 

I really can't stand his arrogant personality and I'm not a fan, but I think he is a next-level talent. Can anybody name any weaknesses he has?

Speculation is pointless. They are measured by racing, and fortunately we have some races ahead of us. Should be fun!

The first one that comes to mind is his decision making ability

Im a Deegan fan and he should be hyped after the last two years but lets be completely honest here, the start of his 450 career isn't going to go anything like Jett's did. Quite frankly I don't think I see any current 450 rider beating a healthy Jett over the course of a full season. Sexton and Prado (assuming either of them could actually ride to their potential for a full season) are probably the only two currently that would possibly have something for him outdoors. 

They posted video and Deegan pulled away. 

That’s not quite what was said, but people get too hung up on practice times. There are quite a few riders that are practically unbeatable on practice days. Josh Hansen was one of those guys, Savagty is another, and on PulpMX, they mentioned that Enzo Lopes was often the fastest Star guy at practice. 

That’s why they say when the gate grips, the 🐂 💩 stops. 

Oh ok so the track conditions were exactly the same….apples oranges bud… so are we now going to compare qualifying times at the nationals from different years….come on man really? 

Sorry Brian. 

Look at his first series in WSX, after he passed Savagty (sp?) he spent a whole lap looking back/trying to block until he ultimately imploded and went down. Fast forward to his last race on the 250 where Davies caught him and passed him, he got a little flustered and went Bonzi trying to pass him back, (and take him out) and then he went down again, and then again. He needs to work on his race craft and stop with the looking back...race forward and leave the cat and mouse games for the practice track.

Brand new account, opened today. How many times have you been clicked?

His stats show he is one of the all time best on a 250. Titles kind of tell the story there.

Ha! That’s the best argument you’ve got? You really think that comparing lap times from different days months or years is a true indicator of anyone’s pace on a certain track on a certain day?…..sorry dude that is a huge reach to use to prove your narrative….Deegan is fast he will easily be top 5 on a 450 this year…we will see soon….do you really think that Barcia is going to be a consistent top 5 guy?

I think he has made some enemies on the track.  That led to Kitchen taking him out during SMX last year, which cost him an SMX championship. 

On the other hand, maybe the attitude and tactics that create enemies has helped him win some other races.  But overall, I would think that if you make too many enemies it's going to be a net negative.

No Hunter ??? I think he’s going to be up there as well! 

Everyone wants the drama of Haiden coming in and battling for 1st every weekend but I don't expect it just yet. He can be a regular on the podium and win some motos but if Jett comes back he will be dealing with both Lawrences, Sexton, J Coop (have a feeling he will be on it this season), and even Prado if he does what he is capable of. Hard to argue that those guys' experience won't carry some weight when it comes down to it. His conditioning late in the races will separate him from a lot of others and make him a solid top 5 on a bad day. I just don't think he will come in and do what Jett did his first 450 season. Haiden's super power seems to be sheer will and adaptability. He picks things up every race and you can see him fix his weaknesses instead of compensating for them. He will be a 450 champ sooner rather than later. I get the feeling much sooner but not 2026. I just hope everyone stays healthy and we get the battles we were promised.

Overhyped status - negative. If you remove the kooks and assholes it feels like most average people expect him to do well but not dominate. I do however, think we can see him spoil the SMX championship this year...

I haven’t seen a single person (even Deegs) claim he’s going 22-0?

Do I think he has the talent? Absolutely. Do I think he rides just like Barcia did on a 250? Absolutely. Both race behind them when pressured, both over rev the bikes and bulldog them around the track. Will he be better than Barcia? Probably. But let’s not forget Barcia’s results when he rode the 450 at the end of 2011. And his full time debut he went 4th OA mx3 and 3rd OA combined at MXDN in 2012. There are more similarities between Deegan and Justin’s career than Deegan and Jett’s career.

That 4-10 range, given the track. “Learning year”

Yes he fast. Yes he’s talented. He will not be able to do what he has been doing in the 250 class right away, just cannot believe some people firmly believe that. 

Time will tell.. untill then, take off the knee pads & just watch. 

I watched 2025 Pala yesterday and saw he was having a hard time getting around Juju at the 17 min mark. He made the pass and won by 5-6 seconds at the end. Great ride, yes. Anything that would lead me to believe he’s going 1-1 at Pala … that’s a big nope. Smoking the 250 class in 2025 will put him around 3-6 in the 450 class. Jett/, Hunter, Tomac, Sexton and Prado will be much tougher than Juju, Shimoda, Kitchen etc 

Titles: 

Barcia: 2x Regional SX

Jett: 2x regional SX, 2x MX

Deegs: 2x regional SX, 2x MX

Wins:

Barcia: 3 250MX, 11 SX

Jett: 14 250MX 13 SX

Deegs: 14 250MX 14 SX

Which are similar again or are you basing it off of anecdotal data and your well trained “eye”

I will say this, the 250 class was STACKED in Bams heyday
 

If he wasn't a Deegan, and had never opened his mouth or taken anyone out with a dumb move, would you think he's over-hyped? when was the last time someone was as dominant as him in 250's and had less hype? I think he is overhyped by many, and underhyped by many. Some think he is going to clean house from the start, and some think he is never going to win a race in the 450 class. I think he is going to be very strong as a rider out of the gate, have some incredible "rookie" rides, with some bonehead finishes as well, probably piss some people off, pay for it by getting cleaned out and learn some lessons, and then battle at the top until he retires. Whether or not that is going to be enjoyable to fans is another story...

I can't stand the little puke but it would be silly to say he's not fast, talented and/or overhyped. We just don't know until the racing begins.

Jett dominated the 250s in his final seasons but I had him pegged for a few moto wins and a couple of overalls in his first 450 outdoors, not going undefeated. Not at all saying Deegan will do that because 100% he won't, but to think he won't be challenging for podiums by the end of the season would be foolish. Personally, I hope he gets his arse whooped but it's not up to me.