Cunningham and Rozcen

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 8:16am
Last week Cunningham clipped a yard-saled Roczen and went down.
This week Cunningham takes out Roczen.

I haven't yet seen the race, but it seems pretty lame on Cunningham's part. Did he feel he needed to give Roczen a little payback for crashing? wtf?

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FIREfish148 1/23/2011 11:39pm
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I think people were just jumping to conclusions when Cunningham took him out. I think it was probably trying to get in his head more than anything. What do i know though.
tormentography 1/23/2011 11:50pm
1/23/2011 11:50pm
FIREfish148 wrote:
I think people were just jumping to conclusions when Cunningham took him out. I think it was probably trying to get in his head more than...
I think people were just jumping to conclusions when Cunningham took him out. I think it was probably trying to get in his head more than anything. What do i know though.
I was just watching the twmx videos and Roczen felt he had no way of avoiding it...
but I don't know either, still need to see it.
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PressPassP 1/23/2011 11:55pm
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Anyone got a picture sequence of it?
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FIREfish148 1/24/2011 12:00am
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It was pretty much a chad reed/ bubba take out move from phoenix last year only cunningham didn't get the front wheel on him as much. More of a t- bone move.

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Motocross83 1/24/2011 1:11am
1/24/2011 1:11am
If that's true then it's pretty much one of the lamest things to happen in SX this year.

Roczen had no intention taking Kyle down in Phoenix, it was a complete accident. Ken crashed by his own mistake 'in front' of him for heavens sake! If it's not true then of course apologies to Kyle. We need to see a clip of this in order to judge further..

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FIREfish148 1/24/2011 1:18am
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C' mon dude you've never taken anyone out before? Its racing. Stuff like that happens. Atleast it was in the corner and not in the air.
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nytsmaC 1/24/2011 2:37am
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It looked to me like just a bad decision by Cunningham. He was coming in hard and he would have had to really slow up to avoid contact. He probably didn't expect to get that big of a jump on Roezcen in that straightaway and he was forced to make a very quick decision. He was probably hoping Roeczen would see him coming in and check up but he didn't and they hit. It looked like a poor decision that resulted in accidental contact, I doubt it was intentional. I'm sure he'd like a mulligan.
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Thelen20 1/24/2011 5:07am
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nytsmaC wrote:
It looked to me like just a bad decision by Cunningham. He was coming in hard and he would have had to really slow up to...
It looked to me like just a bad decision by Cunningham. He was coming in hard and he would have had to really slow up to avoid contact. He probably didn't expect to get that big of a jump on Roezcen in that straightaway and he was forced to make a very quick decision. He was probably hoping Roeczen would see him coming in and check up but he didn't and they hit. It looked like a poor decision that resulted in accidental contact, I doubt it was intentional. I'm sure he'd like a mulligan.
i agree with you. Just a bad decision on cunningham's part. He's super fast right now and he wants that podium bad! He will learn from his mistakes and be a little more careful next time. . . And he will also be on the podium next time!
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gea521 1/24/2011 5:17am
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I think Kyle may have had urgency to get around Roczen and not be patient because of what happened last week. With Roczen's crashes lately, he would not wanna be the guy your following. The track was obviously hard to pass on so he went for it and didn't work out for either of them. I don't think it had anything to do with payback, he probably just wanted to get past him in a hurry.
Sheriff245 1/24/2011 5:23am
1/24/2011 5:23am
Finally we can see races where the riders are actually racing. Cunningham's move was ballsy for sure. I'd rather see riders crash while trying to pass than just following the others around...
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gea521 wrote:
I think Kyle may have had urgency to get around Roczen and not be patient because of what happened last week. With Roczen's crashes lately, he...
I think Kyle may have had urgency to get around Roczen and not be patient because of what happened last week. With Roczen's crashes lately, he would not wanna be the guy your following. The track was obviously hard to pass on so he went for it and didn't work out for either of them. I don't think it had anything to do with payback, he probably just wanted to get past him in a hurry.
Thats exactly what I was thinking
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Fast Orange 1/24/2011 5:51am
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Obviously I must have been watching another race because the Cunningham that I saw basicly harpooned Roczen's swingarm. The funny part is the kid can't even take someone out properly, because if he did, he would have benefitted from that nonsense.

WEAPON!

And where did Roczen finish? How bout cun.ingham?
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gea521 1/24/2011 6:02am
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Fast Orange wrote:
Obviously I must have been watching another race because the Cunningham that I saw basicly harpooned Roczen's swingarm. The funny part is the kid can't even...
Obviously I must have been watching another race because the Cunningham that I saw basicly harpooned Roczen's swingarm. The funny part is the kid can't even take someone out properly, because if he did, he would have benefitted from that nonsense.

WEAPON!

And where did Roczen finish? How bout cun.ingham?
You may have been watching another race, check the link at around the 12 second mark. Didn't catch any swingarm harpooning going on. Its racing, it happens every week, these tracks are very hard to pass on and sometimes it comes down to making an aggressive pass. Roczen probably would have made the same pass if the opportunity presented itself. Not really a big deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thRKDpvQh0
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WhKnuckle 1/24/2011 6:27am
1/24/2011 6:27am
I think Cunningham tried the same move that Hansen put on Canada but just didn't do it as well.
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Stewart said himself that if you wanted to pass somebody on that track you had to stick a wheel in there and make it happen. It's called aggressive racing.
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motokid40 1/24/2011 6:39am
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After replay ,shitty move,
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circus 1/24/2011 6:47am
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I see no problem with it. Then again I worked for Kyle last year so maybe i'm a little biased. Following a kid that has crashed the last two races, the same kid that accidentally took him out last weekend, he was probably just thinking pass, pass, pass. He saw an opportunity and took a chance, didn't work out for him and thats racing.

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mjskier 1/24/2011 6:47am
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Looks like a KW/DV flashback.
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DownSouth 1/24/2011 6:47am
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Looked to me like Cunningham went inside grabbed the brakes and was making his turn when Roczen hit him. Nothing wrong other than maybe not quite enough room to make a pass like that and leave the other enough time to react and grab the brakes. Emig was a bit over the top with his commentary.
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mxmasta 1/24/2011 7:13am
1/24/2011 7:13am
Stupid attempt, and even more stupid so early in the race!
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MX455 1/24/2011 7:14am
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Come on guys that was hardly accidental and not just a racing aggressive racing. Reed and RV passed how many guys and nothing like this happened. Disbanded Stewart did say that you has to stick a wheel in there to make things happen but that is much different then blowing by the apex of the turn and not making an attempt to turn until you make contact.
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vschaik141 1/24/2011 7:35am
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Roczen doesn't deserve thisSad
3 shitty weeks for this kid...
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mivers176 1/24/2011 8:11am
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gea521 wrote:
I think Kyle may have had urgency to get around Roczen and not be patient because of what happened last week. With Roczen's crashes lately, he...
I think Kyle may have had urgency to get around Roczen and not be patient because of what happened last week. With Roczen's crashes lately, he would not wanna be the guy your following. The track was obviously hard to pass on so he went for it and didn't work out for either of them. I don't think it had anything to do with payback, he probably just wanted to get past him in a hurry.
totally agree. just a little too impatient. a lot of people like to made noise about nothing
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kongols 1/24/2011 8:15am
1/24/2011 8:15am
Shitty , unnecessary move.
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Cunningham did not touch Roczen and he was making a textbook block pass, but unfortunately they both went down when Roczen hit him. Cunningham was basically following the guy in front of him and trying to get around Roczen quickly. Watch again, he is almost taking the exact line as the guy in front - it's called the inside line. This is not follow the leader. There was no T-bone because Cunningham's bike did NOT touch Roczen's as he dove to the inside line. Roczen hit him if you want to get technical.
aFACEdismembered 1/24/2011 8:24am
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After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to him. He never looked over, that's why he never saw him.

First rule of SX: If someone is on your ass and you go wide in to a berm expect there to be someone on the inside when you go to turn down.
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vschaik141 1/24/2011 8:24am
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Cunningham did not touch Roczen and he was making a textbook block pass, but unfortunately they both went down when Roczen hit him. Cunningham was basically...
Cunningham did not touch Roczen and he was making a textbook block pass, but unfortunately they both went down when Roczen hit him. Cunningham was basically following the guy in front of him and trying to get around Roczen quickly. Watch again, he is almost taking the exact line as the guy in front - it's called the inside line. This is not follow the leader. There was no T-bone because Cunningham's bike did NOT touch Roczen's as he dove to the inside line. Roczen hit him if you want to get technical.
why would he pass somebody who's way faster than him anyways xD
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lucero10x 1/24/2011 8:27am
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The only reason I think that move was ridiculous is because Kyle took himself out too. Other than that? It's racing, bitches!
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to...
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to him. He never looked over, that's why he never saw him.

First rule of SX: If someone is on your ass and you go wide in to a berm expect there to be someone on the inside when you go to turn down.
Thank you!

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