Pastrana Hat Censorship

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1/23/2011 9:58am
Wow monster is going all out with blocking out the redbull logo on TP's hat...
Exactly!
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1/23/2011 10:00am
TerryK wrote:
It's Monsters series and they pay the bills. Whats the problem?
Yes they pay the bills but they dont have to censor other energy drinks....kinda childish dont ya think
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1/23/2011 10:01am
I would say it is fair game since he isn't actually a series rider.

He is a celebrity, Not a series racer.

If they do it to Dungey or Stewart, then it is on like Donkey Kong.
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1/23/2011 10:04am
I'm not sure what they teach you in Canada but this is not good for the sport.

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1/23/2011 10:10am
this is just another aspect of this sport that is going to kill it.
Too many people in this sport want Total Control.
What kind of precedent did/could this set in the future.
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1/23/2011 10:11am
JustMX wrote:
I would say it is fair game since he isn't actually a series rider. He is a celebrity, Not a series racer. If they do it...
I would say it is fair game since he isn't actually a series rider.

He is a celebrity, Not a series racer.

If they do it to Dungey or Stewart, then it is on like Donkey Kong.
I think its bs what Monster did, but I can see the point that he(Pastrana) wasnt a race participant reason enough for Monster to not give redbull free advertisement.

Monster, as far as I know, doesnt blur out any of the riders sponsers logos. Anything not related to the raceing itself could be considered time and space paid for by Monster when they pay the big bucks to sponser the series
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1/23/2011 10:14am
Redbull vs Monster

You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in that hobby/sport.......Monster will just give you huge decals to put on your airplanes , and actually sponsor a couple pilots.

Redull on the other hand......have threatened to sue RC airplane manufactures and pilots themselves for even putting a sticker on their plane! I know of two decal companies that make decals for these airplanes that got a written letter from their attorney , that they needed to stop making the "redbull decals".....or they would see them in court.

And again.....Monster on the other hand.....will GIVE YOU decals......they love the idea of free advertising!

Just FYI FWIW.
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1/23/2011 10:17am
jeffro503 wrote:
[b]Redbull[/b] vs [b]Monster [/b] You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in [i]that[/i]...
Redbull vs Monster

You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in that hobby/sport.......Monster will just give you huge decals to put on your airplanes , and actually sponsor a couple pilots.

Redull on the other hand......have threatened to sue RC airplane manufactures and pilots themselves for even putting a sticker on their plane! I know of two decal companies that make decals for these airplanes that got a written letter from their attorney , that they needed to stop making the "redbull decals".....or they would see them in court.

And again.....Monster on the other hand.....will GIVE YOU decals......they love the idea of free advertising!

Just FYI FWIW.
Are you saying that maybe Red Bull's attorney called CBS and made them blur out the logo on Pastrana's hat? That would be funny. Smile
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1/23/2011 10:20am
I'm not sure Vee......But anything is possible with RB. In a lot of other sports , Monster has always been really relaxed about things. Redbull on the other hand would send a hitman after you to break your legs if you were wearing a RB hat or something. Personally.....I don't understand a lot of their reasoning behind it.
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1/23/2011 10:21am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 10:22am
Sherwood wrote:
Pastrana was doing them a favor by even being there. I'd doubt he does that again.
Overdrive wrote:
Clearly they benefited from having Travis there and such a crappy thing to do. They have run off two heros of the sport this weekend with...
Clearly they benefited from having Travis there and such a crappy thing to do. They have run off two heros of the sport this weekend with petty BS.
+1. Travis is so nice, he would probably do it again. However, his mgt must be going bonkers. Absolute total BS! Monster is way to insecure. Have to remember that the circus is literally running this gig. Censorship, 4Strokes and 15 minute mains. What a deal! Lot of empty seats for the epicenter of SX/MX. You go Feld.
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1/23/2011 10:24am
JustMX wrote:
I would say it is fair game since he isn't actually a series rider. He is a celebrity, Not a series racer. If they do it...
I would say it is fair game since he isn't actually a series rider.

He is a celebrity, Not a series racer.

If they do it to Dungey or Stewart, then it is on like Donkey Kong.
Sandberm wrote:
I think its bs what Monster did, but I can see the point that he(Pastrana) wasnt a race participant reason enough for Monster to not give...
I think its bs what Monster did, but I can see the point that he(Pastrana) wasnt a race participant reason enough for Monster to not give redbull free advertisement.

Monster, as far as I know, doesnt blur out any of the riders sponsers logos. Anything not related to the raceing itself could be considered time and space paid for by Monster when they pay the big bucks to sponser the series
Good points by both of you. TP is awesome, but he was just promoting himself and his brand at that point. As these guys said, he's not part of the show.

I do think it's a little petty, but Monster does pay big bucks for SX. And, I think Red Bull would do the same if they were in that position.

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BTW....i own one of the bigger 102" wingspan Redbull Sukhoi's that was discontinued mainly because Redbull threatened to sue the guy who was making this airplane. And even though I'm selling this one right now.....I couldn't get parts for it now , because the company said screw it , and quit building that specific airframe.

Here is a short video with a so-so pilot of the airplane I have >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_bH9jHLDU

It doesn't matter though.....I'm selling it because I have a few other airplanes that blow this thing out of the water in freestyle aerobatics.
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1/23/2011 10:43am
jeffro503 wrote:
[b]Redbull[/b] vs [b]Monster [/b] You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in [i]that[/i]...
Redbull vs Monster

You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in that hobby/sport.......Monster will just give you huge decals to put on your airplanes , and actually sponsor a couple pilots.

Redull on the other hand......have threatened to sue RC airplane manufactures and pilots themselves for even putting a sticker on their plane! I know of two decal companies that make decals for these airplanes that got a written letter from their attorney , that they needed to stop making the "redbull decals".....or they would see them in court.

And again.....Monster on the other hand.....will GIVE YOU decals......they love the idea of free advertising!

Just FYI FWIW.
Exactly. Don't demonize Monster when Red Bull does the same thing. I've personally seen Red Bull leverage their power against smaller brands over logo placement; and trust me, they show no mercy or apathy regarding their category (or non-category) branding rights for athlete property and venues.

P.S.

The blurred Red Bull logo would have drawn a lot less attention had they used gaffer tape instead... although, even then I doubt that it could have prevented this thread from popping up, because nobody pulls a fast one on vitalmxers -and I mean nobody!
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1/23/2011 10:48am
Red Bull has always been ultra protective of their logo, even long before Monster came along

Both Monster and Rockstar took different routes in marketing, by opening their logos up to use by anyone and essentially whoring out their logo to almost anyone and everyone.

Is that good?
Well, it did help build their brands
But of course now when you see a Monster or Rockstar logo on a truck or something, you think that person is likely a tool

So, what's best?
Protecting your brand and logo
or whoring it out?

Two different marketing/branding philosophies

1/23/2011 10:53am
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera...
At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you watch him moving around you can see the logo peek out from behind the blur.
Thats why i think it was just something on the camera.
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1/23/2011 10:54am
We can't use someones logo without permission. Dear god!
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1/23/2011 10:56am
Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
It's bad because if other advertisers think this will happen to them, they'll just pull out. They pay lots of money in hopes of seeing their brand name flash, even if for a fleeting moment, across our TV screens. If the series sponsor monopolizes the TV time, then why bother wasting your ad dollars?
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1/23/2011 10:56am
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera... At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you...
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera...
At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you watch him moving around you can see the logo peek out from behind the blur.
Thats why i think it was just something on the camera.
They let you fly aircraft? Unsure
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1/23/2011 10:57am
Huge TP fan here but they probably did him and Waltrip a favor by not letting him do the parade lap. Knowing travis he probably had some Double Backflip-Sidesaddle Seat Grap onto his Nascar planned that would take him out for 8-10 months!
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1/23/2011 10:59am
Sherwood wrote:
We can't use someones logo without permission. Dear god!
In this instance, it had nothing to do with it
TP is a Red Bull Athlete, he was furnished that hat to wear.
TV doesn't need any permissions
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1/23/2011 11:04am
jeffro503 wrote:
[b]Redbull[/b] vs [b]Monster [/b] You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in [i]that[/i]...
Redbull vs Monster

You know I do another expensive hobby ( flying giant scale aerobatic RC airplanes 50cc - 170cc sized ) and in that hobby/sport.......Monster will just give you huge decals to put on your airplanes , and actually sponsor a couple pilots.

Redull on the other hand......have threatened to sue RC airplane manufactures and pilots themselves for even putting a sticker on their plane! I know of two decal companies that make decals for these airplanes that got a written letter from their attorney , that they needed to stop making the "redbull decals".....or they would see them in court.

And again.....Monster on the other hand.....will GIVE YOU decals......they love the idea of free advertising!

Just FYI FWIW.
Sounds more like RB was unhappy with some unaffiliated company making decals out of their logo without their permission. If you don't protect your brand from copyright infringement you can lose those protections.
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1/23/2011 11:08am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 11:08am
RADMan87 wrote:
Sounds more like RB was unhappy with some unaffiliated company making decals out of their logo without their permission. If you don't protect your brand from...
Sounds more like RB was unhappy with some unaffiliated company making decals out of their logo without their permission. If you don't protect your brand from copyright infringement you can lose those protections.
Correct

Which is why Red Bull has been ultra-protective of their logo

Notice you cannot buy Red Bull decals, gear, helmets or any of that?



Red Bull strictly protects their logo



But I tell you one thing, they WANT their logo on the podium at a MONSTER SUPERCROSS or on TV at a MONSTER SUPERCROSS





1/23/2011 11:11am
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera... At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you...
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera...
At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you watch him moving around you can see the logo peek out from behind the blur.
Thats why i think it was just something on the camera.
Outsider wrote:
They let you fly aircraft? Unsure
Yeah cuz that's relevant how?
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1/23/2011 11:21am
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera... At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you...
Personally I thought it was something on the lens of the camera...
At first I thought it was a blurred out logo, but then if you watch him moving around you can see the logo peek out from behind the blur.
Thats why i think it was just something on the camera.
Outsider wrote:
They let you fly aircraft? Unsure
Yeah cuz that's relevant how?
I'm not sure I want a pilot with an eyesight problem.
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1/23/2011 11:23am
i noticed the blur right off and LOL'd @ moNsTeR
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1/23/2011 11:26am
At the 07 MXdN at Budds, Red Bull wouldn't allow a Monster display on vendor's row so they set up in one of the parking lots.
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1/23/2011 11:30am
Monster tried to ban all Energy Drinks from SX, and caught a ration of shit from teams because it was screwing them over, like Rockstar Suzuki and when BBMX was sponsored by DNA Energy Drink

If I remember right, Monster is (or was) suing MX Sports over Muscle Milk being involved in the Nationals and/or LL's (someone remembers the details)


1/23/2011 11:42am
Outsider wrote:
They let you fly aircraft? Unsure
Yeah cuz that's relevant how?
Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure I want a pilot with an eyesight problem.
I have 20/20 vision dickbags. I saw the blur immidiately but thought surely it must've been a waterdrop because I assumed the powers at be would be so dumb as to blur his redbull logo.
My God there are some dumbfucks on this board who make worthless comments that serve no purpose but to start shit..
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1/23/2011 11:47am
You moron, that was no cloud, it was an alien spacecraft.

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