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I love two strokes. If I buy another bike, it will almost certainly be a smoker. I won't be racing because I physically can't.
The best, most effective thing individuals can do to advance two strokes is to buy them from the OEMs that sell them and tell the dealers of other brands they aren't buying their bikes because they don't sell smokers. If the numbers add up, then more smokers will show up. If the numbers don't add up, then that's the only poll that matters.
Logic and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. Logic on either side of this issue is no solution for the issues with MX, such as they are. Almost all of them revolve around money, and specifically the lack of money to do everything that would satisfy everyone.
The two things I hope for most is that the OEM's keep making MX bikes and that at some point racing doesn't need the OEM's to keep it going beyond teams being able to get the basic bike. But it's not my dollar at stake promoting racing or making motorcycles. For me and everyone in the same position, talk is cheap and logic or the absence thereof is just entertainment on the boards.
but now you can claim that catastrophic engine failures happen all the time with 4 strokes.
Its pretty obvious that DC will not implement a rule change since he is worried about his paycheck. He is worried that if he changes the rules, the MFG's will take their ball to another court to play.The MFG's done want the rules changed b/c in CC to CC racing, because their cash cow( 4 strokes) is no longer the superior machine. This doesnt sit well with their 5-10yr sales goals/plan.
Add to that that yamaha only allows dealers to order 1 possibly 2, 2 strokes per year(based on what my local dealer has told me)and you can see that the MFG's dont want them back.
Personally I dont care what the pro's ride, 2 or 4 stroke.. But I would like to see the rules be more even, and the 125 class make a comeback. I am competitive on my 2 stroke, and luckily, in local racing the rules allow for it to have a fair shake..
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Some of the most high profile stars won't even bother to race outdoors. Their sponsors aren't interested of them getting hurt performing a sport that's getting smaller and smaller. They just want the attention from the stadiums and time on TV and I guess motocross teams sell themselfes for nothing compared to most other sports.
Maybe the OEM needs to realize that it's not the guys racing SX in stadiums that buy their bikes, it's normal people interested in an affordable hobby. Likewise I can understand that Dave feels bad if he makes decisions that make people in the paddock loose their job, but it's a small sacrifice for the bigger picture. What about all dealers that's having trouble? What about all the tracks shuting down because they don't have enough riders? Races being cancelled beacuse no riders turn up?
I love motocross. I've worked with it as a full time employee, and I'm running my own business since six years. I can't make a living on it and i see more and more of my clients turn their back on motocross because of the costs involved. And there aren't any new clients in line. Something needs to be changed quickly. We are in a downhill when it comes to active riders, and the sooner we make the change the better. The way the costs are up even on new twostrokes with little or no R & D at all I can't ever see motocross go back to being an sport for people with normal income.
MX Sports runs 250cc motorcycles together locally and at Loretta Lynn's for a variety of reasons, including to help keep costs down for amateurs. I have absolutely nothing against two-strokes, but I do have a problem with blowing up the series and running off factory teams and factory jobs like we've seen in other forms of racing when rules did not mesh with the products offered by the OEMs.
And Themtroad, the AMA Motocross Series had better attendance and a vastly bigger TV audience than it has ever had in 2010, which was a down year for the economy. Appreciate the doom-and-gloom scenario you painted, but like AMA Supercross, which also utilizes the AMA rulebook we've done a pretty good job in attracting fans and sponsors and getting our sport on TV while other forms of professional racing have struggled.
DC
MX Sports
My hope is that the professionell racing scene should to a big part be financed by companys who sell products related to racing. I know professionell fotball isn't financed by how many balls or shoes are sold, and just like that supercross isn't as depending on bike sales.
Motocross ( which lays closest to my heart) however is in a very dangerous position.
They race in order to sell bikes, but since there aren't enough bikes being sold you have the two promotors (YS and MX Sports) fighting over the same sponsors, riders, attention and money and trying to beat each other by making it even more and more expensive to take part, with less and less in return. Motocross have tried to polish ourselves and turn our sport into something it's not in order to get our amount of money and fame, Unfortunately it didn't turn out that well cause nobody was that interested. You could basically pull 10 big sponsors out of sponsring professionel motocross, and it would all fall together like a cardhouse(?) That says a lot of supply and demand, and I'm happy I choose to also get a full time job besides motocross to secure my familys economy.
It looks good in the paddock with big buses and fancy cars etc but it's really just around 20 riders worldwide making good money comparable to a really louzy football player in the second division in England. We hardly get any tv time and the real demand of the products they race to sell and promote is getting smaller all the time.
I also work with selling ads to a big motocross site in Sweden, guess what it doesn't work out very well since all companys are selling less and less equipment.
I know I take the risk of being called the most negative or depressing author here on Vital, but I think we are in trouble
Anyone who wants to contact me directly can reach me at: DC@mxsports.com.
DC
MX Sports
What's ironic is that the big four strokes were the privateers best friend in that class when they first came out, with YZ, and then the CRFs. Then Carmichael made the switch over to the 450 when he returned from his injury for the 04 nats. That about killed it, and the last act was Stewart's vain effort to compete on that nitro KX250 in 05. What's doubly ironic is that the pressure to allow the 250 smokers now in the 250f's is a variation of the "let the privateer benefit from it" argument.
The four stroke controversy was really heated over allowing the YZ250f with the 125's. Now it's a general fuss about the whole thing.
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The reason you get targeted is because you are an AMA official (and because you are on this forum). I think many people find it amazing that a person can be a series promoter and preside as an AMA official over his own series.
I think we have drifted off into arguing over 25 and 50cc, which is pretty ridiculous, but as you said, in your world this is life and death.
Oh yeah, and you never did answer the first question, "Do you think the current AMA Pro rules are fair for the 2-stroke?"
This one carries the same odor.
If you really want to see that price gap grow wider, just check out some prices on the valves, cam chains, etc.
KTM 250F top end parts - $320.24
KTM 250 2 stroke top end parts - 191.10
Of course we both know if you lunch a 4stroke, you might as well part the sucker out!
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this then got into people arguing semantics of where one could get such and such part much cheaper then he listed or he could have used this aftermarket product which is cheaper then using the oem part. that aside i found it to be a fairly accurate representation. this again dealing with regular maintenance and replacement of wear items at proper durations as to avoid catastrophic engine failure.
And as far as only two factories making 2strokes, is there any one holding a gun to the other factories heads telling them not to make a 2stroke any more?
Here's an editorial from last year. Anyone who thinks the manufacturer needs one particular racing series more than the series needs them at this point, and that they won't walk from racing if it suites them, is not living in reality. Someday, maybe, but less now than ever.
http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0805_ama/index.html
relatively cheap to buy but then they got you by the balls! if the battery shits it self its (drop a valve or crank) your better off just to buy a new one and if you need a new ink cartridge you just end up paying through the nose for replace ones.
The four stroke rules that set the table for how the OEM's were and are running their pro racing programs were set it place by the AMA itself long before the AMA decided to divest itself of pro racing.
I don't think you can flip DC off for not telling the OEM's to pound sand and implement new rules over their objections against the backdrop of what was going on at the same time with other racing elements of DMG's management when they tried to force rules on the OEMs.
i dont see the same talk about cruisers or even tracked sportbikes. somebody inform the manf. that they are letting tons of money slip through their fingers in those markets by not producing those bikes with fast wearing self destructing exploding parts.
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