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How come nobody is pointing out that Eli got on his back tire leaving the whoops and Friese guns it and takes the race line around the sweeper BEFORE the rhythm section. THAT is when vincey boy should…welll….get the fuck out of the way. The crossjump should have never been a factor.
Friese cross-jumped. He didn't go all the way from right to left, but he did cross jump.
Tomac drifted right as well, about 1/3 as much as Friese cross jumped.
Technically, Tomac shouldn't have done that.
But, Friese was a lap down. He should have gotten out of the way, or at least held his line.
Overall, Friese has done less damage the last 2 seasons, but he's still dangerous.
IMO, there should be harsher penalties for this kind of crap, with penalties increasing for multiple offenses.
Friese should be suspended from racing for a few races or more. Provide an incentive for him to learn how to change his ways.
Even if he wasn't a lap down, there's no excuse for cross jumping into another rider.
AMA must agree with the poster. No license points for Vince.
Friese gets zero benefit of the doubt, he lost that years ago with his consistent douchebaggery while getting lapped. He’s the employee who always weasels out of work and then snivels that he doesn’t deserve the blame “this time”. Zero sympathy, zero respect.
Racing is better when he’s not on the track.
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Everyone loves Tomac, including me.
Nobody loves Freise, including me
I’d put it 60/40.
Yes, Vince was a lap down, and should have gotten out of the way ( actually in the corner before).
But it was in front of Eli. He had eyes on the situation.
This. Eli shouldn't have gone for that rhythm with Friese moving over in front of him. I could see it happening in real time and I knew the collision was going to happen before Eli left the ground. Why didn't he see it?
Vince is just known to be in the middle of things over and over. I see more blame on Vince here, but Tomac did go from scrubbing the tough block to 3-4 ruts over while Vince went 5-6 ruts over. If it were anyone other than Vince, it wouldn't have been worn out in social media as much as it has been. Vince has good speed and I saw where his average lap times were within 4% of Hunter's times, but I didn't do the math myself. I don't think he cross-jumped on purpose, but he just needs to be more aware of the blue flags.
I feel cheated…
You got a downvote and I didn’t.
I get a downvote that isn't related to thread content every time, though. It doesn't count. Now, if I get a second downvote, I'll be ahead of you.
Do you ride dirt bikes? Would you say it is easier to see situations while navigating a supercross rhythm section or via drone cam on a 75” TV?
Can’t believe I am asking that holy cow
I don’t know about Falcon, but you got me.
I’ve never ridden a dirt bike in my life.
This blows my mind that everyone is focused on the cross jump…including probably the AMA. Vince knows Eli is there, he glanced back in the whoops, and he isn’t near a competitor(ie caught up racing for position), and I can guarantee he hears Eli right there after seeing him….and he full on RACES Eli on the race line to the next corner starting that rhythm section. Friese should have been the one cutting to the inside, like MANY lappers did getting caught there, and not forcing a leader off of the race line to try to get by. Then it all funnels in the next turn so Eli was sol. This is why the AMA should penalize friese….and not just 1 point…which they didn’t even do. At the time Cooper is right there and the race was still in doubt!
I like how people say Vince was “top 15” instead of 15th because it sounds better. There was only 21 people circulating the track!
if they suspend friese they have to suspend deegan as well, and that will never do for 6mon6ster6. so, they remain in a pickle.
cooper webb has a point. the top guys could supplement the income of the bottom 5-7 guys so its not so cuttthroat. vince is out there in a van and deserves to make every dollar he can. he doesn't give a fk about giving up an extra 3 seconds so tomac doesn't lose an extra one second, nor should he. he's there to make money and feld can fucking pay the riders more if they expect them to just quit racing for the big guys.
the rule in motorsports is you hold your line and be predictable, while it's the overtaking racer's responsibility to make a clean pass. obviously supercross is gnarly, and so this exception has been carved out placing more burden on the lapped rider, but the exception has been abused to the point racers feel entitled to virtually the entire track at all times.
Tyler, are you struggling with the whole “lap down” thing?
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The first question i want answering there, is how the hell didnt Eli beat him to the turn, or at least level and panic rev him.
Is that the same incident, because if it is, it expains why Vince is mid track, because Cooper must have gone all the way down the right of the track, i dont even recall seeing him in the drone shot from the rear .
Dude!!! For the love of god!! Just relent. Enough already. Geezzz
Wage disparity has always been a huge thing, teams paying a fortune for guys who dont know where the next Ferrari is coming from, while lining up with guys that are paying their own bills.
80% of the grid in Indy across all classes wont have career earnings that top what Jett Lawrence is making sat on the sidelines for one SX season.
The amount of money that would need to be given up by the top guys, that wouldnt make a massive difference to them, would be life changing to the guys that are working a regular job, to fund getting into the main.
And here is a thing , if 10th in 450 paid more than a win in 250 , a few guys might actually move up.
I just looked at the prize fund for SMX and its Crazy. $1m , $500k $250k for top 3 in 450, but £500k $250k $150k in 250 means that means winning the feeder class pays the same as 2nd in the Main class.
And the in 450 the difference between 8th and 9th is $10k, but 9th and 10th is $15k , but 10th to 11th is $25k .
Bear in mind the cash those guys will have raked in all year , pulling the top money out and spreading it lower would be a good move.
Does a winning really justify double the second place money?
I’ve just got one question for anyone who defends Vince
Because he finished 13th overall and was 12th the last moto.
Sure, equal and fair enforcement of the rules SHOULD be a thing, but has that ever consistently occurred?
I’ve been a fan for about 5 decades, and I don’t remember it..
You ever seen a PGA tournament payout?
1st is regularly close to twice as much as 2nd.
Tomac was behind him for like 3 corners before this incident. Friese should have known he was there.
Watching again. Eli moves over maybe a foot or two. Vince moves like 6-8ft best guess.
Also Vince’s rep precedes him so he doesn’t get the benefit of doubt imo.
Vince was getting lapped so he should’ve went out side into that turn, but Tomac definitely went right to left.
I guess I just dont understand to the same level as PhilG with all of his magic race knowledge due his experience with whatever.
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