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Bud, we wear Bose headsets and listen to our favorite music in the background in between talking to each other. Engine/prop noise is not a thing.
100% you either don't hear it or the sound becomes a relaxing white noise hahaha
Thanks for the info. The only thing I know about private jets is my irrational fear of them. 🤣
This right here all day. If you have a boat or a plane and I’m invited tell me what to do and how much the fuel was for the day. That’s the cheapest way to get on the water or in the air and honestly the most enjoyable for me.
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It's always usually pilot error...from pilots who don't fly enough. It's not often the hardware, and when it is an experienced pilot can often work through it, unless you don't have enough altitude. However, I would never fly in a piston slapper unless I absolutely have to, like in Alaska or similar. Failures on turbines and turboprops are very very rare.
Speaking of which, has anyone heard the cause of the crash Greg Biffle's family was on? Originally I heard a rumor about possibly forgetting to close a cargo door or something, but I'm not sure if that was true and I haven't followed up on the cause yet, if it's known.
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Ha! Okay. Wearing a Bose headset for a few hours in the cockpit of a PC-12, King Air, etc..is one thing. However, If I'm the owner, sitting in the back, I'm not wearing a Bose headset to remain comfortable.
Run the numbers using current wintertime headwinds from Daytona, FL to Orange County, CA and compare a PC-12 to a midsize corporate jet. The PC-12 can’t make the trip nonstop, while the jet can. Even without factoring in a fuel stop, the PC-12 would take about 9 hours, whereas the jet is just over 5. Add the required stop, and the PC-12 is pushing close to 10 hours—flying through weather and headwinds, dealing with cabin noise, etc. A Bose headset after 9+ hours would feel like a vice grip. Like I said before… no thanks. I'm thinking Jet and Hunter would feel the same.
Great points. I always say “if I don’t have to feed em, fuck em, or pay their bills, I don’t care what they do”
Yes, agreed flying from Seattle to Miami is not ideal, and like I said they will probably buy an old jet if they actually buy something. If they decided on a turbo prop they could run a hybrid schedule and run charter jets for the cross country flights. As for the headsets, everyone in the plane has access to a nice Bose headset, front and back. Even then, if you don't want to wear them and you want to sleep it's not obnoxious like you think it is. You can have conversation in the back just fine with others if you aren't wearing the headsets.
Some shots of K-Dub flying in this article:
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You are correct about lots of decent old planes. But… you need to be VERY careful with a good pre-buy inspection, and know what maintenance is coming due. And if they are on an engine program
I’ve know of well maintained, airworthy planes that had maintenance coming up that would cost substantially more than the plane was worth, to keep them airworthy
I bet Plowboy could chime in on that as well
Ha, yes I know there are two sides of that, knowing when to off your plane at the right time, avoiding those costly upcoming overhauls. I've heard those horror stories of people getting a great deal, that soon cost them a fortune with a complete overhaul. Bottom line is, that's why I say rent as there is no inexpensive way to own/store/insure/maintain/fly your aircraft. It's for big ballers who can use the write offs, unless you are going to do something like K'dub which is still expensive to most people.
Are you flying for a private charter company, or commercial? And how often do you fly? I remember somewhere you posted some shots from up in the air here somewhere.
I fly corporate. The best way to go in my opinion. It’s a family owned company, and no expense is spared on maintenance. Always safety first.
Edit: we fly about 350 hrs a year on average. We’ve had years where we were over 500 hrs. Right now, we have 1 plane, a Lear 45 and 3 pilots. We are adding a Praetor 500 due Q4 this year, and will be adding a pilot or two.
Nice, that Praetor 500 will get you from Seattle to Miami without a stop, and in pure luxury, but it will cost you a cool 17 million. Now that I'm looking, there are not many small private jets that can make that trip without a fuel stop. That's a task for the midsize and the big boys to handle.
I think he has or had a SR22
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That Praetor 500 is amazing, hopefully you are the one flying it. This cockpit looks naked to me without the yokes. Is this the direction everything is headed, or is this just a preference to have joysticks?
Imagine the partying that went on, on this thing! That’s the only thing I like about not owning a plane or boat. You can relax and have a drink or too and have ZERO worries. Another reason you want to keep the pilot/captain happy so you are invited again.
Yes, I’ll be flying it and the Lear. I go to school in August.
RC HAD A PILOT FOR A WHILEBUT I DONT KNOW IF HE OWNED THE PLANE, RENTED OR LEASED IT BECAUSE I NEVER ASKED. THE GUY WAS REALLY COOL AND DURING THE WEEK HE WOULD HOP ON RCS JOHN DEERE TRACTOR AND SPEND MOST OF THE DAY MOWING AT THE GOAT FARM WHICH IS A NEVER ENDING CHORE IN SOUTH GA!
Just a note.... I ran into AP7 and KP at the Orlando airport as they were getting on a Southwest flight to fly to DFW. I talked to them for a few minutes as we were waiting on the tram, and they were very nice and courteous with their time.
Like Bomber said...if you wanna buy a plane and keep it legal and safe...you best be a baller. I do have a couple of friends with small planes but the only reason they can afford them is because they are A&P's with their IA. Even with free labor the parts are hella expensive. There ain't no Chinese knockoffs.
I listened to the FAA report, which didn't really give a definitive "cause". A number of bad choices and damn bad luck was the general takeaway.
The pilot was type rated but did not have single pilot certification. He let his son fly right seat. The son didn't have much time on his prop only license.
The first engine didn't start but the other engine did. They were using ship power. (The old Cessna's have a starter generator so you better have a hot battery.
This led to the next mistake. They forgot to switch the generators on after engine start so they were running off emergency/stdby battery for instruments. When that battery died they lost the cockpit.
CVR sounds like Greg told them about the generator switches from the cabin. By the time they started to get things figured out...the weather had turned to shit and there seemed to be a fairly large altimeter discrepancy.
They did mention the pilot may have had "Celebrity Fog". All around bad deal.
Swiss cheese. Have paid attention because I'm a cleetus mcfarland fan.
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Re : it’s usually pilot error.
Three years ago (at age 69), some moran idiot I was lapping at a NYOA race impaled me with his handlebar and blew up my gut. Post-op, I was eventually Med-Evac’d from a trauma center in Pensylvania back home to Montreal in a Pilatus turbo-prop. Cool plane, or so I thought. Once laying in a Montreal-area hospital room, I googled Pilatus to show my wife a picture of the plane. First thing that came up was a report of a Pilatus recently exploding mid-flight, killing all aboard.
I dunno, man,,,
He flew in to Fairfield WA at a vintage race about 2 years ago. I got to BS with him a bit. The planes they flew in on were pretty cool, able to go so slow and graceful, then plop down in a field.
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It appears Biffles crash was caused by pilot error / not certified copilot. They allegedly lost left seat avionics possibly caused by dead batteries by not having the generator on. The copilot was the pilots young son who was not certified so when he got control of the aircraft he didn’t know proper procedures. They turned back and had the gear down and full flaps which that jet couldn’t handle. They lost airspeed and basically flew it into the ground. Very sad and appears to have been completely avoidable
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