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You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can...

You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can undo everything in ten minutes. Companies know this and know they can just wait out Trump.

Gworm wrote:
Unfortunately, Trump didn’t have much choice but to use EO’s to get anything done. The majority was too slim. If we would kill the filibuster, he could...

Unfortunately, Trump didn’t have much choice but to use EO’s to get anything done. The majority was too slim. 
If we would kill the filibuster, he could get something done. Of course, we would regret it when the Dems get in. 

But without doing it, it will help the Dems get back in, and they will do it themselves. 

It’s a vicious circle, no win situation. 

The very least concern should be that Trump is off putting. 

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

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Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics...

Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!

I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics. We still support the same policies but his administration gets distracted by the latest flashy object.  I care about taxes, interest rates, national debt, and staying out of meaningless international campaigns (Greenland?  Seriously?). ICE, Epstein, and the Olympics play a much smaller role and have little real-world consequences for 300M of us.  Focus on the job, brah.

ToolMaker wrote:
So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.Interest rates? Who sets those? DT...

So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.

Interest rates? Who sets those? DT or JP? And who was/is fighting for lower rates? And who lied to us about "recession" or lowered rates when Biden was president and conditions per their structure didn't justify the lowering of rates. But under DJT would not lower rates claiming we didn't know what tariffs would do. And in hind sight tariffs are not driving prices up. Yes specific things but not every day items.

Taxes? Most people will pay less taxes because of the Trump agenda. But under President Kamala, we would have paid more because Trump 1.0 tax rates would have expired.

Foreign affairs? You think a nuclear Iran is a good thing? What President had the clout to actually do the right thing? Did it start a war? No, because it was done the right way. What about Venezuela? His justified actions there have taken us out from under the thumb of OPEC. OPEC was one of the few things the US had no control over. Now, their power is limited. 

National debt? With such a narrow margin in the house, it's very hard to significantly change spending which is where spending originates. But as all the investments in the US develop, revenue will soar, factories don't get built overnight. New good paying jobs, a new strong middle class.

Greenland? It's been several president's that have expressed wanting Greenland but Trump actually was the only one do have success. You may not like his methods because you are so used to "the way we do things" (=not actually doing anything) the it bothers you. But doing things the same way have not been good for us as a country.

So you may not like the person Trump, but you cannot with any honesty say President Trump is bad.

We disagree on a lot of things, I very much respect our conversations brother.

TM

Great points, TM. And as mentioned, these issues should be the focal point. While I agree that Greenland has been on the radar, we never militarily threaten an ally.  Never.  That’s the domain of guys like Putin. 

BTW: this isn’t about Biden or Harris. I’m a republican, and we expect better.  “Whataboutisms” don’t address the issue, because they don’t exist. 

The tide is turning, and after the midterms, it will accelerate. Trump’s a dot after 2028, and the RNC needs to pivot. 

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2/10/2026 8:38am
soggy wrote:
I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed...

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

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When you hold the senate, house, and presidency, and you still can't get laws passed, maybe the laws are the problem? 

Laws being difficult to pass is a feature, not a bug. They should be difficult to pass. Politicians used to deal with it by compromising but that's no longer tolerated by the zealots in either party. They'd both rather just keep overreaching with executive orders and ignore those checks and balances. Sure, you take your lumps when the other side is in power, but you're a rich politician and just use that as fundraising fuel until you're back in power, and then you get to do whatever you want and nobody can say much about it because they did it too! 

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soggy wrote:
I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed...

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

Gworm wrote:
I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect...

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

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soggy wrote:
I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed...

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

Gworm wrote:
I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect...

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

From an outsiders perspective Massie seems like the only Republican that isn’t a sheep to trumps wishes. 

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soggy wrote:
I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed...

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

Gworm wrote:
I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect...

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

truck wrote:
I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try to correct it later, you end up losing it all, and the the Dems get in and we end up with something infinitely worse than what you didn’t vote for. 

At one time there would be moderate Dems who would cross the isle. Now there are none. The whole situation sucks. 

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LoudLove wrote:
Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics...

Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!

I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics. We still support the same policies but his administration gets distracted by the latest flashy object.  I care about taxes, interest rates, national debt, and staying out of meaningless international campaigns (Greenland?  Seriously?). ICE, Epstein, and the Olympics play a much smaller role and have little real-world consequences for 300M of us.  Focus on the job, brah.

ToolMaker wrote:
So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.Interest rates? Who sets those? DT...

So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.

Interest rates? Who sets those? DT or JP? And who was/is fighting for lower rates? And who lied to us about "recession" or lowered rates when Biden was president and conditions per their structure didn't justify the lowering of rates. But under DJT would not lower rates claiming we didn't know what tariffs would do. And in hind sight tariffs are not driving prices up. Yes specific things but not every day items.

Taxes? Most people will pay less taxes because of the Trump agenda. But under President Kamala, we would have paid more because Trump 1.0 tax rates would have expired.

Foreign affairs? You think a nuclear Iran is a good thing? What President had the clout to actually do the right thing? Did it start a war? No, because it was done the right way. What about Venezuela? His justified actions there have taken us out from under the thumb of OPEC. OPEC was one of the few things the US had no control over. Now, their power is limited. 

National debt? With such a narrow margin in the house, it's very hard to significantly change spending which is where spending originates. But as all the investments in the US develop, revenue will soar, factories don't get built overnight. New good paying jobs, a new strong middle class.

Greenland? It's been several president's that have expressed wanting Greenland but Trump actually was the only one do have success. You may not like his methods because you are so used to "the way we do things" (=not actually doing anything) the it bothers you. But doing things the same way have not been good for us as a country.

So you may not like the person Trump, but you cannot with any honesty say President Trump is bad.

We disagree on a lot of things, I very much respect our conversations brother.

TM

soggy wrote:
You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can...

You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can undo everything in ten minutes. Companies know this and know they can just wait out Trump.

This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.

So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced errors? Sure, but that's everything in life.

As a friend I'll take LL any day, as a team manager I'd kick him to the curb and take Hayden for my top rider.

I'd like to think after the next 3 years, the results we see from this year will motivate future presidents to not remove what's in place. But realistically I know they will because 99% of them are corrupt pieces of shit.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:
So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.Interest rates? Who sets those? DT...

So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.

Interest rates? Who sets those? DT or JP? And who was/is fighting for lower rates? And who lied to us about "recession" or lowered rates when Biden was president and conditions per their structure didn't justify the lowering of rates. But under DJT would not lower rates claiming we didn't know what tariffs would do. And in hind sight tariffs are not driving prices up. Yes specific things but not every day items.

Taxes? Most people will pay less taxes because of the Trump agenda. But under President Kamala, we would have paid more because Trump 1.0 tax rates would have expired.

Foreign affairs? You think a nuclear Iran is a good thing? What President had the clout to actually do the right thing? Did it start a war? No, because it was done the right way. What about Venezuela? His justified actions there have taken us out from under the thumb of OPEC. OPEC was one of the few things the US had no control over. Now, their power is limited. 

National debt? With such a narrow margin in the house, it's very hard to significantly change spending which is where spending originates. But as all the investments in the US develop, revenue will soar, factories don't get built overnight. New good paying jobs, a new strong middle class.

Greenland? It's been several president's that have expressed wanting Greenland but Trump actually was the only one do have success. You may not like his methods because you are so used to "the way we do things" (=not actually doing anything) the it bothers you. But doing things the same way have not been good for us as a country.

So you may not like the person Trump, but you cannot with any honesty say President Trump is bad.

We disagree on a lot of things, I very much respect our conversations brother.

TM

soggy wrote:
You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can...

You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can undo everything in ten minutes. Companies know this and know they can just wait out Trump.

ToolMaker wrote:
This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced...

This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.

So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced errors? Sure, but that's everything in life.

As a friend I'll take LL any day, as a team manager I'd kick him to the curb and take Hayden for my top rider.

I'd like to think after the next 3 years, the results we see from this year will motivate future presidents to not remove what's in place. But realistically I know they will because 99% of them are corrupt pieces of shit.

TM

Time will tell. A majority of the country is pretty upset right now though  


Trump is just as corrupt as anyone as well. The capitulation is insane. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.Interest rates? Who sets those? DT...

So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.

Interest rates? Who sets those? DT or JP? And who was/is fighting for lower rates? And who lied to us about "recession" or lowered rates when Biden was president and conditions per their structure didn't justify the lowering of rates. But under DJT would not lower rates claiming we didn't know what tariffs would do. And in hind sight tariffs are not driving prices up. Yes specific things but not every day items.

Taxes? Most people will pay less taxes because of the Trump agenda. But under President Kamala, we would have paid more because Trump 1.0 tax rates would have expired.

Foreign affairs? You think a nuclear Iran is a good thing? What President had the clout to actually do the right thing? Did it start a war? No, because it was done the right way. What about Venezuela? His justified actions there have taken us out from under the thumb of OPEC. OPEC was one of the few things the US had no control over. Now, their power is limited. 

National debt? With such a narrow margin in the house, it's very hard to significantly change spending which is where spending originates. But as all the investments in the US develop, revenue will soar, factories don't get built overnight. New good paying jobs, a new strong middle class.

Greenland? It's been several president's that have expressed wanting Greenland but Trump actually was the only one do have success. You may not like his methods because you are so used to "the way we do things" (=not actually doing anything) the it bothers you. But doing things the same way have not been good for us as a country.

So you may not like the person Trump, but you cannot with any honesty say President Trump is bad.

We disagree on a lot of things, I very much respect our conversations brother.

TM

soggy wrote:
You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can...

You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can undo everything in ten minutes. Companies know this and know they can just wait out Trump.

ToolMaker wrote:
This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced...

This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.

So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced errors? Sure, but that's everything in life.

As a friend I'll take LL any day, as a team manager I'd kick him to the curb and take Hayden for my top rider.

I'd like to think after the next 3 years, the results we see from this year will motivate future presidents to not remove what's in place. But realistically I know they will because 99% of them are corrupt pieces of shit.

TM

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

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Spooner wrote:
Is it just me or is this board starting to shift left?  A year ago it was all supporting trump but the last few months if...

Is it just me or is this board starting to shift left?  A year ago it was all supporting trump but the last few months if you go by up and down votes it sure seems to have swung the other way.  I know when I talk to a lot of my friends who did vote for him they are now saying they regret their decision.  Even more so if they deal with importing products.

Actually it seems like a recent bunch has come in posting up the same whining TDS bullshit over and over and over in every damn thread.Like...

Actually it seems like a recent bunch has come in posting up the same whining TDS bullshit over and over and over in every damn thread.

Like I said, just like a car alarm in a parking lot. It's relentless noise.

Yeah you hear it, but nobody cares. 

Recognizing that the Republican Party has split may not be poplular but it’s reality.  And if the party can’t even debate these differences, they are going to lose elections for a long time coming. Either way it doesn’t make us liberal. As always I appreciate the debates, it what makes our country great. The mud slinging from both sides doesn’t help, I agree. 

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soggy wrote:
You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can...

You have some points that may prove to be true but the problem is trump did everything by EO so next president that comes in can undo everything in ten minutes. Companies know this and know they can just wait out Trump.

ToolMaker wrote:
This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced...

This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.

So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced errors? Sure, but that's everything in life.

As a friend I'll take LL any day, as a team manager I'd kick him to the curb and take Hayden for my top rider.

I'd like to think after the next 3 years, the results we see from this year will motivate future presidents to not remove what's in place. But realistically I know they will because 99% of them are corrupt pieces of shit.

TM

soggy wrote:
disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can...

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

Please explain how you'd get congress to stop the flow of $$$s to all those corrupt NGOs that turn around and fund the campaign of those you expect to stop it. I'm all ears.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:
This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced...

This falls under, you can't get everything you want, so take what you can get.

So far I'm getting more than I expected. Have there been unforced errors? Sure, but that's everything in life.

As a friend I'll take LL any day, as a team manager I'd kick him to the curb and take Hayden for my top rider.

I'd like to think after the next 3 years, the results we see from this year will motivate future presidents to not remove what's in place. But realistically I know they will because 99% of them are corrupt pieces of shit.

TM

soggy wrote:
disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can...

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Please explain how you'd get congress to stop the flow of $$$s to all those corrupt NGOs that turn around and fund the campaign of those...

Please explain how you'd get congress to stop the flow of $$$s to all those corrupt NGOs that turn around and fund the campaign of those you expect to stop it. I'm all ears.

TM

I’ll be totally honest I don’t know a lot about the NGO’s that lost funding. On the surface some of them sound like a net positive, but maybe not? How much money was it again?  It better be in billions.  


Here’s what I don’t get it. Do we want the US to be a super power or not?  Because with that power comes responsibility to help those that need it.   A lot of trumps policies are isolationist. But if you want the US to be a superpower you also must accept the role of looking after others. 

Trump has turned the USA on the world stage into a raging hormonal teenager where nothing is ever his fault, he must get his way, but he also bears no responsibility for anything. 

The majority of republicans in congress are going to need neck braces from the whiplash of trying to course correct from their support of Trump. 

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soggy wrote:
I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed...

I mean he didn’t even try, something’s would get shot down. Some would get passed. Some would get tweaked. It’s exactly how our government was designed to work. He doesn’t want to participate in that process. 
 

Gworm wrote:
I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect...

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

truck wrote:
I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

didn't see this till today - kentucky speaker of the house Osborne taking the mic from Massie because he didn't like what he was saying. 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1837407806977187

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Gworm wrote:
I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect...

I personally like Massey and Rand Paul, but they are part of the republican’s problem. They hold out for perfect, and nothing is gonna be perfect. Then nothing gets done. They should help out once in a while, and let things get revised later. 

The Dems almost always stick together, no matter what. They are too scared to do otherwise. Thank goodness for Mansion and Sinema, or they’d have done away with the filibuster already. 

The Dem that I like the most now, and I never thought I’d say it, is Fetterman. 

 

truck wrote:
I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

Gworm wrote:
I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try...

I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try to correct it later, you end up losing it all, and the the Dems get in and we end up with something infinitely worse than what you didn’t vote for. 

At one time there would be moderate Dems who would cross the isle. Now there are none. The whole situation sucks. 

Massie will not be the reason dems get in. Not even close. He votes exactly how he swore an oath to vote. Not like the rest of the Republican Party that is terrified of Trump. They’re all a bunch of money hungry spineless fucks. Trump needs to dial back the bullshit. I remember seeing plenty of merch “Trump 2024 no more bullshit” yet the daily news is full of Trump bullshit. Like calling that Olympic athlete a loser, what good does that do? All Trump will be remembered for in twenty years is lying, bullshit, more bullshit, division, and extra bullshit. Just shut the fuck up and do the job. 

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I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

Gworm wrote:
I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try...

I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try to correct it later, you end up losing it all, and the the Dems get in and we end up with something infinitely worse than what you didn’t vote for. 

At one time there would be moderate Dems who would cross the isle. Now there are none. The whole situation sucks. 

mvd61 wrote:
Massie will not be the reason dems get in. Not even close. He votes exactly how he swore an oath to vote. Not like the rest...

Massie will not be the reason dems get in. Not even close. He votes exactly how he swore an oath to vote. Not like the rest of the Republican Party that is terrified of Trump. They’re all a bunch of money hungry spineless fucks. Trump needs to dial back the bullshit. I remember seeing plenty of merch “Trump 2024 no more bullshit” yet the daily news is full of Trump bullshit. Like calling that Olympic athlete a loser, what good does that do? All Trump will be remembered for in twenty years is lying, bullshit, more bullshit, division, and extra bullshit. Just shut the fuck up and do the job. 

this is all trump did in his first term, and the entire time biden was president.  hell he's still trying to prove that the election was "stolen".  third of the country wanted a circus which must be why they think he's doing such a great job. 

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I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator...

I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator for show while pardoning a convicted drug trafficker because he said nice things about Trump, directing the DOJ to cover up Trumps involvement in Epstein, and having every NATO country question if we can be trusted yea I would choose the other option. 

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a safe move though, no matter who wins and what happens you can say "I didn't vote for this"  Well played. But remember 1 less vote for Harris was like 1 more vote for Trump...   😄

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disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can...

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

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Please explain how you'd get congress to stop the flow of $$$s to all those corrupt NGOs that turn around and fund the campaign of those...

Please explain how you'd get congress to stop the flow of $$$s to all those corrupt NGOs that turn around and fund the campaign of those you expect to stop it. I'm all ears.

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I’ll be totally honest I don’t know a lot about the NGO’s that lost funding. On the surface some of them sound like a net positive...

I’ll be totally honest I don’t know a lot about the NGO’s that lost funding. On the surface some of them sound like a net positive, but maybe not? How much money was it again?  It better be in billions.  


Here’s what I don’t get it. Do we want the US to be a super power or not?  Because with that power comes responsibility to help those that need it.   A lot of trumps policies are isolationist. But if you want the US to be a superpower you also must accept the role of looking after others. 

Trump has turned the USA on the world stage into a raging hormonal teenager where nothing is ever his fault, he must get his way, but he also bears no responsibility for anything. 

The majority of republicans in congress are going to need neck braces from the whiplash of trying to course correct from their support of Trump. 

Well, just one example, Stacy Abrams NGO, "power forward communities" which had a total of $100 of income prior to their $2,000,000,000 government grant. Yes, you read that right $2Billion. That the Trump administration put a stop to. And that's just one NGO that the Biden admin was doling out money to. Now, consider that there were MANY corrupt NGOs.

Ask the Uncle Google about it.

TM

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I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator...

I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator for show while pardoning a convicted drug trafficker because he said nice things about Trump, directing the DOJ to cover up Trumps involvement in Epstein, and having every NATO country question if we can be trusted yea I would choose the other option. 

sumdood wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a...

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a safe move though, no matter who wins and what happens you can say "I didn't vote for this"  Well played. But remember 1 less vote for Harris was like 1 more vote for Trump...   😄

Regardless whether one votes or not makes no difference. My taxes pay these cock suckers wages so I’ll bitch if I like. 

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I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator...

I didn’t cast a vote in the last election. But given a choice of Americans having their civil rights violated by federal agents. Ousting a dictator for show while pardoning a convicted drug trafficker because he said nice things about Trump, directing the DOJ to cover up Trumps involvement in Epstein, and having every NATO country question if we can be trusted yea I would choose the other option. 

sumdood wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a...

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a safe move though, no matter who wins and what happens you can say "I didn't vote for this"  Well played. But remember 1 less vote for Harris was like 1 more vote for Trump...   😄

mvd61 wrote:

Regardless whether one votes or not makes no difference. My taxes pay these cock suckers wages so I’ll bitch if I like. 

Well you've come to the right place 😄

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I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a...

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my circle of friends if you don't vote, you lose your right to complain.  I guess that's a safe move though, no matter who wins and what happens you can say "I didn't vote for this"  Well played. But remember 1 less vote for Harris was like 1 more vote for Trump...   😄

mvd61 wrote:

Regardless whether one votes or not makes no difference. My taxes pay these cock suckers wages so I’ll bitch if I like. 

sumdood wrote:

Well you've come to the right place 😄

Pitching on Vital? Say it ain't so.

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soggy wrote:
disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can...

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

You're correct. Thing is, the reason the use of EO's is so common today is that Congress is fucking useless. They can't even write a budget! CR after CR. All they do is bitch back and forth, call each other names and wring their hands while accomplishing nothing but costing the country money. 

As hated as Donald Trump is, according to Gallup, his approval rating is 36%-41%. Gallup reports Congressional approval rating is 15%. Interesting numbers, are they not?

They need to just STFU and get on with the business of governing the country. Effectively, "Shut up and dribble". 

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soggy wrote:
disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can...

disagree that the EO approach is take what you can get. 

Using the government the way it was meant to be run is taking what you can get, compromising.


Writing a bunch of EO that reshape our economy for example is destabilizing imo. 

You're correct. Thing is, the reason the use of EO's is so common today is that Congress is fucking useless. They can't even write a budget...

You're correct. Thing is, the reason the use of EO's is so common today is that Congress is fucking useless. They can't even write a budget! CR after CR. All they do is bitch back and forth, call each other names and wring their hands while accomplishing nothing but costing the country money. 

As hated as Donald Trump is, according to Gallup, his approval rating is 36%-41%. Gallup reports Congressional approval rating is 15%. Interesting numbers, are they not?

They need to just STFU and get on with the business of governing the country. Effectively, "Shut up and dribble". 

And yet among Latinos, it's up to mid 50s, close to a 20 point upward swing. Why? They approve of the immigration policy.

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ToolMaker wrote:

And yet among Latinos, it's up to mid 50s, close to a 20 point upward swing. Why? They approve of the immigration policy.

His approval rating wasn't my point. My point was that his approval rating is more then double that of Congress, whose job it is to write the laws, present them to the president, and if necessary, override his or her veto. 

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This blows my mind that it keeps getting "swept under the carpet"

If any other person, in any capacity of being representable to a country had done this, imagine the fallout? LOL.

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And yet among Latinos, it's up to mid 50s, close to a 20 point upward swing. Why? They approve of the immigration policy.

His approval rating wasn't my point. My point was that his approval rating is more then double that of Congress, whose job it is to write...

His approval rating wasn't my point. My point was that his approval rating is more then double that of Congress, whose job it is to write the laws, present them to the president, and if necessary, override his or her veto. 

Congress' approval rating has been in the shitter for a very long time.

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I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

It's interesting that this resolution that was just struck down in the House both tests the limits of democracy in the US and at the same time questions the Republic of the United States. It is quite a brazen move to redefine the meaning of a day in order to please dear leader.

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truck wrote:
I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy...

I live in Massie's district and love the guy, as far as politicians go. Don't believe the nonsense Trump is floating about him. It's very easy to predict how he'll vote because he's one of the few politicians left that votes on principle. I bet you agree with him on nearly all of those principles. He's not the problem, the rest of the party totally abandoning those principles is. 

Watch "The Swamp" on HBO and I bet you come away liking Massie quite a bit. 

Gworm wrote:
I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try...

I do like him. Being principled is great. But if you hold out for perfect, when you could settle for just a little less, and try to correct it later, you end up losing it all, and the the Dems get in and we end up with something infinitely worse than what you didn’t vote for. 

At one time there would be moderate Dems who would cross the isle. Now there are none. The whole situation sucks. 

mvd61 wrote:
Massie will not be the reason dems get in. Not even close. He votes exactly how he swore an oath to vote. Not like the rest...

Massie will not be the reason dems get in. Not even close. He votes exactly how he swore an oath to vote. Not like the rest of the Republican Party that is terrified of Trump. They’re all a bunch of money hungry spineless fucks. Trump needs to dial back the bullshit. I remember seeing plenty of merch “Trump 2024 no more bullshit” yet the daily news is full of Trump bullshit. Like calling that Olympic athlete a loser, what good does that do? All Trump will be remembered for in twenty years is lying, bullshit, more bullshit, division, and extra bullshit. Just shut the fuck up and do the job. 

This is my sentiment as well. I feel like Trump is clueless as to how much damage he does with his needless comments. He’s hurting his political agenda! I couldn’t agree with you more “ SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND DO YOUR JOB!”

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Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics...

Yeah, not sure that’s a bet worth taking. Considering you can control the outcome, Mr. Panther!

I think most of us are simply exhausted by Trump’s antics. We still support the same policies but his administration gets distracted by the latest flashy object.  I care about taxes, interest rates, national debt, and staying out of meaningless international campaigns (Greenland?  Seriously?). ICE, Epstein, and the Olympics play a much smaller role and have little real-world consequences for 300M of us.  Focus on the job, brah.

ToolMaker wrote:
So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.Interest rates? Who sets those? DT...

So, how about we compartmentalize each issue. And start with you don't like the person Trump so that's off the table.

Interest rates? Who sets those? DT or JP? And who was/is fighting for lower rates? And who lied to us about "recession" or lowered rates when Biden was president and conditions per their structure didn't justify the lowering of rates. But under DJT would not lower rates claiming we didn't know what tariffs would do. And in hind sight tariffs are not driving prices up. Yes specific things but not every day items.

Taxes? Most people will pay less taxes because of the Trump agenda. But under President Kamala, we would have paid more because Trump 1.0 tax rates would have expired.

Foreign affairs? You think a nuclear Iran is a good thing? What President had the clout to actually do the right thing? Did it start a war? No, because it was done the right way. What about Venezuela? His justified actions there have taken us out from under the thumb of OPEC. OPEC was one of the few things the US had no control over. Now, their power is limited. 

National debt? With such a narrow margin in the house, it's very hard to significantly change spending which is where spending originates. But as all the investments in the US develop, revenue will soar, factories don't get built overnight. New good paying jobs, a new strong middle class.

Greenland? It's been several president's that have expressed wanting Greenland but Trump actually was the only one do have success. You may not like his methods because you are so used to "the way we do things" (=not actually doing anything) the it bothers you. But doing things the same way have not been good for us as a country.

So you may not like the person Trump, but you cannot with any honesty say President Trump is bad.

We disagree on a lot of things, I very much respect our conversations brother.

TM

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