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Genuine question: what 250 guy that has been a top 5 threat since his rookie season, and was always "the guy," struggled in the 450's? Only...

Genuine question: what 250 guy that has been a top 5 threat since his rookie season, and was always "the guy," struggled in the 450's? Only one that comes to mind is AC, but injuries could be blamed for his lack of success. I'm sure I'm missing some. 

barcia. savatgy. jesse nelson. the list is long, actually.

Barcia, yes. Savatgy has I think 5 250 class wins. Nelson never raced a 450. 

Plessinger, Jcoop, Ferrandis, Craig, McElrath, Mookie….shall we keep going?

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you literally agreed with several of the referenced names above. You didn't quantify it with "Name people w/ the same # of wins" you said "List...

you literally agreed with several of the referenced names above. You didn't quantify it with "Name people w/ the same # of wins" you said "List people who were constant top 5 threats"....and we did....and you agreed. This isn't hard.

It's not that hard to see that Deegan's stats so far in his career are better than the majority of names listed. That's the point. It took Craig almost 10 years and a retirement to get to that point. It took Mcelrath the better half of 6 seasons. Jcoop was the number 1 seed coming into the playoffs last year, and the only guy to not miss a single race, insane to consider that underperforming from his 250 career. I know alot of people want this kid to disappoint, but the results don't lie. He has the most potential and hype since Jett moving up. 

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The Haidenhealth department shut down the kitchen for a code 38 violation. 

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regardless...we answered your question. It has happened and IMO it's gonna happen again. Deegs gonna get blasted time and again.

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a...

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a 450. You answered, but it was wrong. People said the same thing about Barcia and Anderson when they moved up, and still, no one has "blasted" them. 

Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250 regional titles and 2 250 National titles (dominated both outdoor titles), which pretty much matches Jett's 250 days.  When people talk about Pourcel, Wilson, Barcia, Alessi and Martin, they did not have anywhere near the dominance Haiden had in such a short period, with the exception of Pourcel who had a World Title under his belt and was very good from the start.  But what really hampered Pourcel's adaptation to the 450 was injuries, missing seasons due to bad career and team choices (remember the debacle with David Vuillimen and MotoConcepts?), and losing his confidence.  

There's a reason why Deegan is winning and it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the bike.  These guys who have multiple titles in dominate fashion almost always translate that success to the bigger bikes.  And vice versa; riders who have average results in the 250 class usually have average results in the 450 class. 

While we have no idea how Danger Boy will do in the 450 class, Gimmea2stroke and others have no grounds to proclaim he'll get blasted again and again.  Gimmiea2smoke has been breathing in too much premix and is projecting what he wants to happen instead of looking at this fairly.  He is definitely not welcome aboard the Haiden Deegan Super Fan choo-choo train.

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Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250...

Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250 regional titles and 2 250 National titles (dominated both outdoor titles), which pretty much matches Jett's 250 days.  When people talk about Pourcel, Wilson, Barcia, Alessi and Martin, they did not have anywhere near the dominance Haiden had in such a short period, with the exception of Pourcel who had a World Title under his belt and was very good from the start.  But what really hampered Pourcel's adaptation to the 450 was injuries, missing seasons due to bad career and team choices (remember the debacle with David Vuillimen and MotoConcepts?), and losing his confidence.  

There's a reason why Deegan is winning and it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the bike.  These guys who have multiple titles in dominate fashion almost always translate that success to the bigger bikes.  And vice versa; riders who have average results in the 250 class usually have average results in the 450 class. 

While we have no idea how Danger Boy will do in the 450 class, Gimmea2stroke and others have no grounds to proclaim he'll get blasted again and again.  Gimmiea2smoke has been breathing in too much premix and is projecting what he wants to happen instead of looking at this fairly.  He is definitely not welcome aboard the Haiden Deegan Super Fan choo-choo train.

Well said. /End of that discussion. 

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2/1/2026 2:44pm Edited Date/Time 2/1/2026 2:53pm
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Definitely put on clinic last nite…..should be interesting to see where he stacks up in 450 class…plenty of riders dominated on 250”s that struggle in the...

Definitely put on clinic last nite…..should be interesting to see where he stacks up in 450 class…plenty of riders dominated on 250”s that struggle in the 450 class…but anybody’s guess…I want to like him, being an American but would like to see some genuine humility and respect for other racers…the tough guy metal militia grift isn’t working for me…maybe go with a Cali surf dude vibe…flame away

There should be no flaming away sandman cause you're right!!

Humility buy's staying power, and without it his flame will burn out.

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So Barcia with 16 years or so with a factory ride and wins in every class isn't successful? Bet his accountant thinks he is.

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He’s wasting his time on the 250.

Spoonguy wrote:

Agreed, what is he proving or learning against a field of riders that will never be on a factory 450? Maybe Kitchen I guess.

You mean a half field of 250's. Hopefully he will race the 450's in the East. Show us what he can do. 

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regardless...we answered your question. It has happened and IMO it's gonna happen again. Deegs gonna get blasted time and again.

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a...

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a 450. You answered, but it was wrong. People said the same thing about Barcia and Anderson when they moved up, and still, no one has "blasted" them. 

Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250...

Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250 regional titles and 2 250 National titles (dominated both outdoor titles), which pretty much matches Jett's 250 days.  When people talk about Pourcel, Wilson, Barcia, Alessi and Martin, they did not have anywhere near the dominance Haiden had in such a short period, with the exception of Pourcel who had a World Title under his belt and was very good from the start.  But what really hampered Pourcel's adaptation to the 450 was injuries, missing seasons due to bad career and team choices (remember the debacle with David Vuillimen and MotoConcepts?), and losing his confidence.  

There's a reason why Deegan is winning and it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the bike.  These guys who have multiple titles in dominate fashion almost always translate that success to the bigger bikes.  And vice versa; riders who have average results in the 250 class usually have average results in the 450 class. 

While we have no idea how Danger Boy will do in the 450 class, Gimmea2stroke and others have no grounds to proclaim he'll get blasted again and again.  Gimmiea2smoke has been breathing in too much premix and is projecting what he wants to happen instead of looking at this fairly.  He is definitely not welcome aboard the Haiden Deegan Super Fan choo-choo train.

you 2 nut-huggers are insufferable. ML, give us a "mute" or "ignore" function? 

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"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be able to catch them😂. 

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ZinAZ wrote:
"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be...

"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be able to catch them😂. 

kitchens tried the last race, but was way too nice about it. 

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He’s wasting his time on the 250.

Spoonguy wrote:

Agreed, what is he proving or learning against a field of riders that will never be on a factory 450? Maybe Kitchen I guess.

Hasletjoe wrote:

You mean a half field of 250's. Hopefully he will race the 450's in the East. Show us what he can do. 

Who can beat him on the East coast? He is beating Kitchen, Hymas, Anstie, Macadoo, Ryder, who is better on the East?

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you 2 nut-huggers are insufferable. ML, give us a "mute" or "ignore" function? 

Click the profile name and then block. 

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You know he just turned 20 right?   The wins and potential championship bonus could be around a mil, all in.

Exactly he just got done being a teenager. He’s dominating and making a fortune at the moment. Nothing wrong with that.  Such crazy takes on this forum…. Wasting time 😂😂🙄🙄

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Who can beat him on the East coast? He is beating Kitchen, Hymas, Anstie, Macadoo, Ryder, who is better on the East?

Davies beat him last year. Shimoda as well. Shimoda will most likely miss the start of the series. 

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you 2 nut-huggers are insufferable. ML, give us a "mute" or "ignore" function? 

You probably shouldn’t be calling anyone insufferable 🤦‍♂️    Textbook hater……

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Haiden knew he might try some slick shit..Yes a right hand turn more difficult to lock the rear brake & slide the end around to smack deegans front wheel… BUT. He should’ve at least been more aggressive.. deegan came right back, with more aggression & Levi was pretty damn close to having enough of a bobble to fall heading into the whoops. That would’ve ruined his night…

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Spoonguy wrote:

Who can beat him on the East coast? He is beating Kitchen, Hymas, Anstie, Macadoo, Ryder, who is better on the East?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Davies beat him last year. Shimoda as well. Shimoda will most likely miss the start of the series. 

They beat him it what 1 race?

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you 2 nut-huggers are insufferable. ML, give us a "mute" or "ignore" function? 

For bringing facts to the table and pointing out your unfounded assumptions about what will happen to Haiden Deegan in the 450 class?

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Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250...

Anything can happen and the season is far from over, but if Deegan stays on his current path, he'll leave the 250 class with 2 250 regional titles and 2 250 National titles (dominated both outdoor titles), which pretty much matches Jett's 250 days.  When people talk about Pourcel, Wilson, Barcia, Alessi and Martin, they did not have anywhere near the dominance Haiden had in such a short period, with the exception of Pourcel who had a World Title under his belt and was very good from the start.  But what really hampered Pourcel's adaptation to the 450 was injuries, missing seasons due to bad career and team choices (remember the debacle with David Vuillimen and MotoConcepts?), and losing his confidence.  

There's a reason why Deegan is winning and it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the bike.  These guys who have multiple titles in dominate fashion almost always translate that success to the bigger bikes.  And vice versa; riders who have average results in the 250 class usually have average results in the 450 class. 

While we have no idea how Danger Boy will do in the 450 class, Gimmea2stroke and others have no grounds to proclaim he'll get blasted again and again.  Gimmiea2smoke has been breathing in too much premix and is projecting what he wants to happen instead of looking at this fairly.  He is definitely not welcome aboard the Haiden Deegan Super Fan choo-choo train.

Well said. /End of that discussion. 

I wasn't saying he isn't riding great or doing great, I was just playing your game. I guess I didn't understand the rules.

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ZinAZ wrote:
"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be...

"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be able to catch them😂. 

Tyler D wrote:

kitchens tried the last race, but was way too nice about it. 

well last time he wasnt nice, he took both of them out.   the two top guys going at it for the win, racing hard maybe even dirty I can look past.  But when the guy whose DNF'ing and not even in the title conversation is trying to yardsale the points leader cus he's jealous that shit is lame.  

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Deegan is an idiot…I don’t like his (his father’s) schtick…playing up the villain, the arrogance, poking other riders…I don’t like it…but that’s my opinion.


With that said…the dude can ride a dirt bike…he is just fun to watch ride…so much talent…the racing is more interesting with him on the track…so I’m glad he’s out there, and I hope he can battle Jett on 450’s (someone has too, otherwise it’s going to be a really boring next 10 years of racing).

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2/1/2026 5:15pm

He’s wasting his time on the 250.

Spoonguy wrote:

Agreed, what is he proving or learning against a field of riders that will never be on a factory 450? Maybe Kitchen I guess.

I agree. He’s nothing to prove in this class.

I’m not even watching the 250 class now. 
 

Yes you are

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Spoonguy wrote:

So Barcia with 16 years or so with a factory ride and wins in every class isn't successful? Bet his accountant thinks he is.

Would you consider what Barcia has accomplished on a 450 a successful 450 career for Haiden? Unless something goes terribly wrong, he will obviously be a regular front runner and most likely get some wins. I think the better question is will he win titles on a 450 and consistently beat Jett and the others. Some on here act like it’s a foregone conclusion, which it isn’t. 

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Deegan is an idiot…I don’t like his (his father’s) schtick…playing up the villain, the arrogance, poking other riders…I don’t like it…but that’s my opinion.With that said…the...

Deegan is an idiot…I don’t like his (his father’s) schtick…playing up the villain, the arrogance, poking other riders…I don’t like it…but that’s my opinion.


With that said…the dude can ride a dirt bike…he is just fun to watch ride…so much talent…the racing is more interesting with him on the track…so I’m glad he’s out there, and I hope he can battle Jett on 450’s (someone has too, otherwise it’s going to be a really boring next 10 years of racing).

Jett needs to finish a season before we talk about him battling anybody.

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ZinAZ wrote:
"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be...

"no one gives it back to him, they just let him walk all over them."    In order to give it to somebody you gotta be able to catch them😂. 

Agreed.

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Spoonguy wrote:

Who can beat him on the East coast? He is beating Kitchen, Hymas, Anstie, Macadoo, Ryder, who is better on the East?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Davies beat him last year. Shimoda as well. Shimoda will most likely miss the start of the series. 

Shimoda certainly did beat him for the SMX championship, I stand corrected. In one of the three championships they raced together last season. A three race series, where Deegan was taken out of one race by a competitor. I do think most times Deegan had Shimoda and Davies covered though. For now, maybe Davies makes a jump this year? Might be cool if he does. I really forgot about Davies.

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Spoonguy wrote:

So Barcia with 16 years or so with a factory ride and wins in every class isn't successful? Bet his accountant thinks he is.

Would you consider what Barcia has accomplished on a 450 a successful 450 career for Haiden? Unless something goes terribly wrong, he will obviously be a...

Would you consider what Barcia has accomplished on a 450 a successful 450 career for Haiden? Unless something goes terribly wrong, he will obviously be a regular front runner and most likely get some wins. I think the better question is will he win titles on a 450 and consistently beat Jett and the others. Some on here act like it’s a foregone conclusion, which it isn’t. 

I certainly don't think anything in Deegan's future is a foregone conclusion, but I also don't think riders with 10 years of factory rides and multiple top 5s in championships are failed careers either. I think the career Barcia has had anyone should be happy with, wins, wealth, fame, maybe not championships but still very successful. Deegan beating Jett, Hunter, Chase, Webb, Roczen, Tomac is a big ask, but beat Plessinger, Stewart, Cooper seems plausible. And those riders have had good pro careers. Not every good pro rider wins multiple championships, look at Windham.

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Deegan is an idiot…I don’t like his (his father’s) schtick…playing up the villain, the arrogance, poking other riders…I don’t like it…but that’s my opinion.With that said…the...

Deegan is an idiot…I don’t like his (his father’s) schtick…playing up the villain, the arrogance, poking other riders…I don’t like it…but that’s my opinion.


With that said…the dude can ride a dirt bike…he is just fun to watch ride…so much talent…the racing is more interesting with him on the track…so I’m glad he’s out there, and I hope he can battle Jett on 450’s (someone has too, otherwise it’s going to be a really boring next 10 years of racing).

gerg wrote:

Jett needs to finish a season before we talk about him battling anybody.

 If Jett is in the race it’s a forgone conclusion that he is going to win…I hope Deegan can change that…that’s all I’m saying.

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regardless...we answered your question. It has happened and IMO it's gonna happen again. Deegs gonna get blasted time and again.

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a...

You listed people who have less than half the race wins as Deegan, and a guy that never got a chance to prove himself on a 450. You answered, but it was wrong. People said the same thing about Barcia and Anderson when they moved up, and still, no one has "blasted" them. 

Thats right and those 2 riders when they were on 250's were taking riders a lot more than deegan did.

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