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Exactly
That’s what I was trying to get at. It doesn’t matter if a person rides local and national big races, or a guy only does national big races and trains at a facility otherwise or what their age or size is. Since he won local B he is an A rider no matter where he goes.
Like I’ll use me for an example. I race +30A hare scramble and do well, now when I go do motocross I also must race +30A and I don’t do as well not even close. Then if I race nationally I would also race +30A.
It’s how it is and I do agree with that part. To me your friend’s kid should be A moving forward. The other kids you talk about only race the big races and trains otherwise at a facility that’s their plan and it works. Every system has loopholes like it or not, and people play them. Also their are plenty of guys younger then 17 that ride pro classes.
oh well. he will ironically be with safer riders in A. if he's fast enough it wont matter.
Hear me out….why is this dude worried about his son’s safety in the A class vs B? The lap times at area and regional qualifiers are about the same. If anything there are fewer people on the gate in A class with more experience. It’s not more dangerous in the A class. Not at all. I practice with A class as a +30 A guy rather than Vet A/B practice all the time because there are like 7 guys on the track who all know how to hold their line and ride smart.
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at the end of the day if he is fast enough it will all work out
He’ll probably file an appeal and get bumped back to b class anyway so most of this is a moot point. That being said I’ve railed against the class structure for years. Amateur national level “C” class isn’t local “C” class. There needs to be two different standards. For instance C class at an amateur national race = B at a local district race. Or some kind of distinction between the two. I’m not sure how it works or the fine details would look like but the class structure in amateur racing is deeply flawed. My kid got crucified at a helluva lotta races last year in C as a sandbagger but finished mid pack in C at Loretta’s. Make it make sense and stop the constant bickering between riders and parents in the sport we all love.
Looking at the AMA results center he had 8 races in Open B where he finished 1st in all 8 of those. Those races averaged his rider point value at 15. If you get 15 or higher it’s an automatic bump to A. Sucks because he’s probably not exactly ready to take on the A class at a national level. That’s why you have to be aware of the rule book. If he had done 4 races in 250B then the other 4 in Open B this probably wouldn’t have been an issue.
https://results.americanmotorcyclist.com/riders/159712-logan-kresal/res…
This exact samecthing happened to Kade Johnson.
Yeah, what I was going to say. In the big picture if the kid has what it takes to turn pro it will likely be the right move anyway.
National level amateur racing should remove skill categories (A,B,C classes) in favor of age only classes.
How about the kids that are ama 9 that return from Loretta’s on 65’s and get a letter in the mailbox that says
“ congratulations and welcome to B class “
Probably the best thing that ever happens to them -
But a bit of a head f too.
As someone who has been racing for over 40 years as well as raced national races in recent years, the problem is that the LL group of racers have become so far separated from local level racers that there really needs to be a separation of levels. In the C and B class there should be a local ranking and national ranking.
Let these C class sand bagger move up to B at the local level and then let them race C at the national level. Because if you go to the national races you would see that they belong in that class at the Lorettas or Mini O's level. The same with B class. Let them move up to A at the local level and race B at the national races. This is the only real fix that exists.
Now the average local guys aren't in a rage all the time because Jimmy that's out there scrubbing all the jumps in C class is running over their kid, because Jimmy actually is a C class rider at the national level. And Jimmy isn't ready for the B class at the nationals yet because the current B class at a LL's regional looks like a pro national from 25 years ago. Don't believe me? Show up at the Red Bud regional this year and watch the speed and technique of the top 20 in the B class. The Ironman regional last year was insane.
The sport at the LL's level has become so insanely high that it's almost like a completely different sport than local racing. Seriously. You should have a national ranking and local ranking. Use the current LL's rules for moving people up at the national level, not the local RPV rule. Use RPV only for local level. This is what fixes the problem with local racing and sand baggers.
lol idk this is weird, we used to run our super minis 12-14 (age) in our pro open class, and 125 A classes, and we/kids/parents wanted to ride with more safer, skilled riders and learn.
This is a terrible take, MY KIDS NOT SAFE RIDING WITH THE BEST AND MATUREST RIDERS!
Edit: if you are chasing Amateur Nationals, yeah, I see the issue.
He will be okay. He raced a few D16 races and on a 125, he was passing and even beat some really good guys on 450’s that were leading open A. He’s quick, I do see his point at racing a year in B on a 250 but man he’s ridiculously quick.
This .
This has been going on since the inception of LLynns…contingency and factory B riders just increased the incentives…..nothing new…
This is a good take. If you want fast kids on the LL path to show up to local races you need something like this to make it fair to local only racers and still keep eligibility for the LL bound people. Otherwise expect people to just show up for regionals and qualifiers and you don’t see these other riders until they are over 18 and the dream is over if they haven’t quit riding.
Maybe total unrelated but it reminded me of a recent convo with an ama official. He said he will actually check into guys racing/sandbagging non ama or "outlaw" races and bump them if he finds out they're successfully running a higher skill class than what they run in ama.
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Matty B filmed the Baja Brawl. Logan dominated top 3 starts , he wanted it bad. When he locks onto the leader to run him down , Very impressive speed. McGrath from Western Wi. 2 yrs removed from the 125 class he dominated the Millville series. Then b class in 25 & is a A rider now. He was far back in 3rd in 125 at Baja . He did a few pro ams & did ok. Sucks that he can’t do 125 b/c at LL he would be a title contender in 26. I would mod the 150 & do the Canadian Nationals & the pro Ams .
100% in agreement w you. If I could’ve put my son in B at our district races and back to C for area, regionals and LL I would’ve gladly done it. We were crucified because I couldn’t afford to go to every amateur national across the country for him to race other “sandbaggers” doing the same. The system we have now sucks, it’s flawed, the AMA and MX sports knows it also but they are dgaf as long as the Benjamins are being stacked.
Its was never about safety, its about they thought they could sandbag and got caught.
Crazy how people bitch about sandbagging but then bitch when they cant. 😂
They said they lost their appeal already, I wonder how many times they can appeal.
Sorry I missed that part
I think some of the guys in this thread like to make fun of the sand bagging, but they are completely out of touch with how far the level has progressed at the national level. You literally have kids who can't make the top 40 at a regional qualifier where only 6 advance who win at the local level. They're so much faster than the local C kids that it isn't really fair so they get called sand baggers, yet they don't make the top 40 at a national race. Let them race B at local races so the real C riders can have a chance.
Crazy speed in 125 b/c among the fastest lap times at LL. Kids that R not quite 125b/c speed race 125c. The 125 class in Wi. Is there 2nd class of 125 jr. It not just Logan that’s fast as hell in the state. Didn’t the Mini O,s hv 4 or 5. Qualifiers for 125 b/c. Way back in 18th there ripping. I think America,s pool of fast 125 riders is way more deep than in Europe right now. And the 125 EMX is stacked with talent . Long over due for a 125 pro am class in America.
He's worried his kid won't get a trophy and selling the bikes as a tantrum 😂
The entire system is a fucking joke. I get what you’re saying but the fact we don’t group classes based on speed but instead based on age, and the lowest class we haven’t been kicked out of yet is insane.
There’s front of pack c class guys going the same speed as back of pack a class. What in the actual fuck are we doing here.
The slowest in a should be faster than the fastest in c, period. Anything else is a fucking joke for all the people who want to race with people their speed.
I watch class after class have like 5-15 people in it and maybe 3 of the people are of similar speed and get to have a good battle. rest are smoking them all or getting smoked, even so bad as lapping people in their same class in a. 4-5 lap race. That’s not racing. That’s a joke.
And then we wonder why nobody wants to race moto.
Motocross CAN be the greatest experience on earth. But how we’re currently doing it for amateurs is a total fucking shame.
If you win in c class the next year you should move to b, you win b you should move to a. Pretty easy but there's nothing above a to move to so then johnny gets beat pretty bad and wants to move back down so he can be a winner again.
I made my kid start in peewee A because he'd learn faster if the kids he was racing were better than him. He got beat pretty badly for most of the season, but came out and won the last race we did, by a significant margin. I guarantee he's better now than if I had let him rip peewee C and win every race. He was upset and a little beat down after the first couple races, but I used it as a learning experience because life doesn't always work out the way you want. We don't cry about it or throw a fit, just put your head down and try to enjoy the ride. Hopefully when he's grown he'll be a better man than me.
Lolz, peewee A, can you link me the results where there is a peewee A, B and C class? Wild the promoter is making bank in that area…
Tell me you don't go to national races without telling me. It's obvious you aren't understanding what I'm saying. The only place that a front runner in the C class runs with the guys in the A class is at chicken licks. It isn't happening at the national races. Not even close.
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