Not sure why the Minnesota Ice and Run thread got locked by the originator but.....

From the Arizona Republic today. Sounds like the new liberal mindset is to try and get killed by ICE so they can become a hero martyr. 

Also ironic how guns are now ok, because they need to "protect themselves". Conservatives wanting guns to protect themselves, not ok. Just liberals. 

-------A protester wearing what appeared to be an assault-style rifle stood nose-to-nose with an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent at the center of a protest in Phoenix.

It was part of the dramatic scene that unfolded during a protest at the Zipps Sports Grill in the Park Central shopping and office complex, but not an isolated one.

More and more, protesters are bringing guns to anti-ICE demonstrations around the Valley, activists told The Arizona Republic.

“I have seen weapons at protests my entire adult life. But typically, they’re usually being held by our opposition, not by us,” said Kassie Black, an activist with the anti-ICE group Neighbors Against Fear who is in the process of buying a gun. “It is our right to the Second Amendment, and we’re having to use it more and more often due to masked thugs like ICE.”

It’s a trend that could put the First and Second Amendment rights of Arizonans on a collision course

as President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown continues.

Immigration protests exploded in Phoenix on Jan. 26 as the Department of Homeland Security agents raided Zipps Sports Grill restaurants around the Valley. The raid drew dozens of protesters to the Zipps restaurant at Central Avenue and Earll Drive, including the demonstrator clad in black with a ski mask, sunglasses and a large gun strapped to their back.

The armed protester stood at the center of the crowd, at times shouting expletives and facing off with federal agents.

“They scared me,” said Sam Cooley, an anti-ICE activist and gun owner who does not bring firearms to protests. “It takes the temperature up.”

In addition to that person carrying what looked to be a long gun at Park Central, Cooley said she saw another person in all-black clothing and a blackand- white scarf wearing a Glock pistol on their side at the demonstration.

Guns are part of the culture in Arizona, and it’s not unusual to see a firearm at a protest. From Prescott to Mesa to the state Capitol in the heart of Phoenix, protesters have brought AR-15s and other guns to demonstrations for years.

In the past, though, armed protesters were more likely to be on the political right. That may be changing.

“I am pursuing gun ownership because I don’t feel that I have any other choice. I cannot rely on my government or my community or my local politicians or my local police to keep me safe,”Black said.

Black is not a gun owner yet, but plans to be by the end of next month. The activist is looking into getting a handgun for daily open carry and a shotgun for home defense.

It’s a notable shift on the left, which has advocated for gun regulation for years. But activists such as Black say the violent tactics used by ICE agents and Border Patrol officers this year have led them to embrace firearms.

Yes, the reporter that was posting screenshots to X in real time was showing coordination and a structured resistance with agitators, medics, intelligence and blockers.  They are regimented like an insurgency to attack and disrupt,  not peaceful protest 

Well boys, there's a new sheriff in town.

His name is Tom.

And he's not going anywhere until this shit's been brought to a screeching halt.

But... during all of the nosering crowd's whining and crying these past few weeks, ICE never stopped snatching and grabbing their illegal alien targets.

@AZ35 

"Also ironic how guns are now ok, because they need to "protect themselves". Conservatives wanting guns to protect themselves, not ok."

Idk, to me we should view this as a positive. People trying to stay informed, educating themselves, and changing their positions on some things. One brick at a time in building the bridge between the left/right extremes ruling the roost right now.

I don't think them wanting to own guns means they don't give a shit about firearm regulations anymore. They just recognize the value in personal responsibility and our Constitutional right to own and bear arms. Better late than never.

This is the accidental uniting of this country I hope to see more of.

And one of the first things Tom did was call the Governor and reiterate that this isn't good, and identified a need for mutual collaboration and support. Bovino or Noem have yet to reach out to the Governor of Minnesota.

If they work together, can adjust apprehension tactics (maybe lay off at schools and such) and these agitators may back down a bit. It appears the new Sheriff agrees with this. Now let's get the dangerous, convicted criminals off the streets without all the theatrics.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/29/minneapolis-minne…

"White House border czar Tom Homan on Thursday vowed to "draw down" the federal presence in Minnesota as agents focus on more "targeted" enforcement, a major shift in operations that comes amid backlash following the fatal shooting of two U.S. citizens by immigration officers.

"You’re going to see some massive changes occurring here in this city," Homan said, adding that there will be "less agents in the street" as federal authorities concentrate on detaining those with criminal records, something he said the Minneapolis operation had strayed from.

"I'm not here because the federal has carried its mission out perfectly," he said. "What we've been working on is making this operation safer, more efficient by the book. The mission is going to improve because of the changes we’re making internally."

It appears as if these protests were somewhat effective, at least right now.

EDIT - and I like what Sheriff Tom is saying, hopefully he will help improve these types of stats.

And for reference to the stats above, 1 in 3 domestic adults here have a criminal record.

"are communicating encrypted messages" - A large majority of mobile communication is going to be done with forced encryption involved. iMessage, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Signal, etc. all use it. That's just an inherent nature of the app. Doesn't mean the messages can't be nefarious, but like you see here and with Hegseth's chat, security only gets you so far.

I appreciate your "glass half full" optimism (I really do, not being sarcastic).

But the timing of embracing firearms in order to confront law enforcement operations is a disaster in the making. Seems like they want something bad to happen (again), so it will continue to drive the anger and divide among us. 

Hey man, the goal is to clean up the streets and improve society. Sometimes the herd can cull itself in mysterious ways.

Chaos is good at shaking out the real crackpots. We gotta fill all the jails we're building with someone since there won't be any immigrants left soon.

EDIT - Signing off for a while. I need to be more productive and this place (my phone in general really) is race gas for my 'severe' ADHD 😂

Liberals before 2026:  Guns are bad, take away all of the guns!

Liberals in 2026:  Make Guns Great Again!

True, but I’ll add. Republicans before 2026 - good to carry guns even to protests. Republicans after 2026 - bad to carry guns in most instances. 😉

So…

Now we know a bit more about this man.

We started with a s/m post and a very one sided view of all of this.

Now? We have a known history of someone going way out of his way…

To fuck with ICE Officers.

Period.

Yet, and let’s be real clears about his…

I -still- don’t understand HOW THE FUCK he got shot…shot too damn many times…and “why”…?

This is a sort of conundrum for me: he brought this shit on himself; yet, he should NOT be dead in the big picture.

Ya know, you've got me & Kev goin’ at each other over aspects of this and it’s all jus’ stupid. Why? Because, it’s just fucking sad. And it’s pointless…when it comes to outcomes. 

While I’ve witnessed, for myself…in person, how shit goes Really Bad & REALLY Quickly when a bunch of armed people are all revved up and the shit hits the fan…but, even when I see it on video…I can’t explain why.

Fuck it. I’ve got nothing.

Godspeed to this man’s friends and family. It’s really gotta suck for them.

All the while…we digress. All of us. 

MAGA a week ago: Guns are my GOD GIVEN right to carry ANYWHERE!  The supermarket, the capitol as i storm it, ANYWHERE.  SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! 

MAGA today: Well actually you shouldn't bring guns everywhere, you could get killed by the government!

yea but what did he do two weeks ago? 

So the agent got dragged by a car that was fleeing and fired at the guy who had cocaïne in his system and your argument is he should have waited until he had major injuries before he fired? That's not how this works. 

You have zero interest in being objective about any of this. No matter how full of shit some meme is you inject it straight into your veins for that little hit of validation. Others who are just looking for the same validation will give you the thumbs up but everyone else just starts scrolling past every post. Even if you did make a decent point it would be lost in the sea of bullshit. 

Nobody gives a shit what springsteen thinks. He is far removed from the reality of everyday Americans.  It’s like the people who live in gated communities that supported open borders. 

seems like you give a shit 

Can we all agree that that song is terrible? I'm not talking about the content of the lyrics, those are whatever, but it's just kinda rambling along to some basic midi music file. Cringe.

Breaker breaker 1-9 looks like we got a popo

It isn't solely about this guy, it is also about that women in Chicago that is shot 5 times! ICE-agents are loose cannons who are clearly rushed through training and are trigger happy when someone or something annoys them.

Besides that, they are heavily influenced by the extreme right-wing, white supremacism ideology that is going through the white house. What makes that they feel superior against other Americans, people living in America and even worse they feel superior against the law!! What creates structural abuse like we're already seen with the sexual molestations from women and men in those ICE detention centers. 

We're also seeing this when they're communicating with media who are filming them or trying to make a documentary about them. Treatments to Italian journalists for example where a headline here in Europe.

If they're as bad you believe they are, there should be plenty of evidence to cite without having to try to spin a good shoot as bad because the officer only had minor injuries after being dragged by the fleeing cocaïne user. 

It talks about body cams.  Lets see the bodycam of the agent being dragged. If You have a link post it. or let me know if its already posted in this thread.   

They lost me when the put out twisted perceptions and outright lies about the two interactions that were on video from multiple angles. I do not trust their word without proof.  It is easy to see they lied about the extent of the injuries right?   " nothing major" Would that be an accurate description of a person with a gunshot wound in his neck?  Details should matter , if You need to take some bodies' word for something they need to remain trustworthy . 

 I'm not going to argue that the agent wasn't dragged, but I also do not have 100% confidence that he was.  If they use quotes from the bodycam, they should also make that footage available to show that it is the truth. 

MXMattii- "Besides that, they are heavily influenced by the extreme right-wing, white supremacism ideology that is going through the white house. What makes that they feel superior against other Americans, people living in America and even worse they feel superior against the law!! What creates structural abuse like we're already seen with the sexual molestations from women and men in those ICE detention centers."

You don't even live in the USA, so you know all of this because that is what your instagram feed told you?

I'm glad that Trump has realized that things were not going the way he said they would, or that is acceptable to the majority of Americans. I'll give him credit for finally calling the MN governor and putting together some sort of plan to work together to get " back to focussed "  operations and I assume get away from grabbing random people. I don't know if the Walz tried to call Trump , but that would have been something that he should have at least tried. 

 I hope that they really do refocus and do what they said they were going to do. Get the worst of the worst. Not grabbing 5 year old kids from school  to use as bait to get somebody to come out of their house. Get a warrant and go to the house and grab the person.  I don't want to get too negative. I just hope that they are really going to turn things around. I fear that if they use this as a smoke screen to ramp shit up even worse, that the response by the american people will be amplified by many times too. 

It was being reported that Trump saw the videos of Pretti being shot and that was the catalyst for him making changes.

After seeing the video of Pretti kicking the SUV taillight out. I had a few questions . Was that after he was tackled for standing at the side of the road blowing a whistle?  Did the ICE or DHS agent who tackled him  impact Pretti's choice to go from blowing a whistle to kicking and spitting?  I'm not defending those actions. They should have arrested him or called local police to detain him. Some sort of training seems to be needed for how to handle those things. When You have some agents just letting a person go, and others beat the shit out of him and shoot him, somethings wrong . I'm not defending Pretti's actions here. 

 I do think that ICE should be held to the same standards as a local cop . Acting the way ICE has been acting is similar to the behavior of State and local PD's that lead up to the BLM riots. Police shooting black people and not getting in trouble and it being buried and blamed on the victim. It isn't acceptable for the local PD to do it, so why would ICE follow a model that they knew has lead to lots of civil unrest in the past?? It sure feels like it just might have been a part of the plan. If I was the head of something I would study the history of what lead up to major failures  so I could learn and try to avoid making the same mistakes. But I just make stickers and never stayed at a Holiday inn, so what do I know.   

Change MAGA to “Responsible gun owners in general” and, those  claims will make sense

edit-  Minus, storming the capital. 

As I understand it, the agent that was dragged did not have body cam. The quote from the involved agent was recorded on body cam from local officers that responded to the shooting. 

Regardless of what happened, the post is using "only minor injuries" to implicate the officer, and that's insane. The presence of injury is totally irrelevant. They're showing their bias and ignorance by even mentioning it. 

I'm all for the agents wearing body cams, but be careful what you wish for. The left made a big push for these in the past thinking it was going to prove their theories about racist cops and it did the opposite. 

 I reread that and realized I misread it and that the agent was describing his own injuries NOT the person that he shot. I only edited my post to fix the spelling mistakes, hope I got most of them.  I will agree that the " minor injuries" part wasn't really necessary , but I still do not think it shows any bias at all especially now after realizing my misreading of the post. So the rest of my post may have some contradicting things in it , but I want to leave it unedited  so that the response from Truck still makes sense. 

I believe it was good to include that quote to show that the agent was not accurately describing parts of the situation that could easily be proven to go against what they said.  

  If a reporter has something that can help you know how reliable a witnesses observations are than Its good to include. It is a part of the story  and goes to show the credibility or lack of . 

I dont want bodycam's to prove any preconceived ideas I have. I want them to show the incidents. Whatever they may show. If it shows protesters antagonizing great they have proof and can arrest them and that could help keep protests from turning into riots or violent interactions.  My reason for wanting the cameras is to hold everybody more accountable. 

I realize there are bad people doing stuff for the wrong reasons in every aspect of life. I'm not biased towards only exposing the ones I may appear to side with. 

The reasons i post "negatively" about ICE is because of what we have all seen. And how they have lied about it all.  If they were truly doing only targeted operations on the worst of the worst . You might have seen me posting things defending ICE.  I had given them the benefit of the doubt until I saw what they were doing.