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When did you change your mind about that?
Wonder why they didn’t render aid to the Renee chick.
Read the first sentence of my previous reply or ask someone to draw you a picture and maybe you'll figure it out
You're right, if I carry a firearm into a sketchy situation and I am taken down by half a dozen officers/agents, who sucessfully remove my weapon while beating me... They are then allowed to execute me.
Fuck, guess I had it wrong the whole time.
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Casually just ignore all the posts that quickly disproved your claim that it was “super illegal”
Difference maker here - Rittenhouse wasnt in an altercation with federal officers. I'm still of the opinion he should of kept his ass at home, just like Renee Good and the unnamed dude today.
Your still dodging the issue of WHY the cops were alerted to this individual. Why dont the cops come beat ME and remove my firearm from my person?
I stopped posting on this topic cause I have TDS, but I did mention in old thread that we’re setting a dangerous precedent for future presidents to use federal agents to come after our guns. I didn’t see what led up to this, but if he was truly a bystander and shot cause his open carry rights, I hope this goes to court. Also the NRA needs to speak out if this is true.
In the video they’re not even initially after him, they went after, shoved and pepper sprayed the lady with the whistle. The guy stepped between them trying to shield her and died for it.
Honestly, if you’re defending this you need to take a long look in the mirror and decide if this is really the person you want to be.
Thats been a point ive been trying to make about people in general since Ive posted in any political theead. That you cant lump them all togethe based on how they voted.
That all democrats are not like the ones that Fox and Newsmax and right leaning media paint them out to be. Same with the right , i just seem to get more pushback from people on the right that dont think its true.
There were a lot of promonant Republicans that celibrated him being there doing what he did. If thats what this most recent guy was doing than i have the same opinion about him that it was a bad idea. I think it was a bad idea to bring a gun to something like that .
But it still highlights the difference between the police that dealt with rittenhouse and how ice dealt with this guy. If he was waving his gun around im sure video will show up and if he was threatening people with it than thats another thing. But I havnt heard if they even asked him to surender the firearm. He didnt look like he was resisting in the video I saw.
In so many ice videos i see you hear multiple agents yelling comands that are not the same. It looks like a supertroopers skit instead of profeshional law enforcement.
Yep, chaotic as hell, which is why people with the slightest clue don't show up to blow whistles and shove cameras in everyone's face or dog pile on police when they're trying to arrest people etc..... there's room for everyone involved here to be in the wrong.
Anybody justifying this one is out to lunch.
Had him detained, took his gun, then shot him multiple times.
Nothing to see here, just ICE pepper spraying protesters and stealing phones.
Statement from the family.
If an ICE officer ended up in the emergency room, the guy they killed today would have been the one stitching him up. Guy was an ER nurse saved lives for a living.
Good thing ICE is there to go after “the worst of the worst”
What senseless way to lose your life. 💔
Seems like a real bad guy. Noem and Miller should both spend the rest of their days incarcerated.
Why’s Brad crying? Cuz he just got dunked on.
To be fair it’s kind of like a grown man dunking on a 6 year old with a 5 foot net.
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Notice how the usual suspects have fled from this thread? Can’t admit that their beloved ICE fucked up, can’t admit that the admin is lying about it, can’t admit that an innocent man was killed.
Don't think I fling enough poo in here to be a regular but I'm plenty confident that they'll be held accountable if they fucked up and I'm also confident that all the knee jerk reactions from both sides were equally dumb no matter who is right in the end.
The anti ice crowd also refuses to acknowledge that their tactics have now contributed to two deaths so don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back here.
Like I said earlier, plenty of room for everyone to be in the wrong. You certainly don't deserve the death penalty for it, but inserting yourself into a situation where police are trying to detain someone else is incredibly stupid no matter how good of a guy you are otherwise.
I haven’t heard the comments about this from Noem. But it sounds like she didn’t learn anything from Good being killed. Not getting the facts before speaking on it.
I’m really curious about the level of training ICE has in comparison to other law enforcement.
Chairs thrown and tables toppled, Hands armed with broken bottles, standing no chance to win but, were not runnin, were not runnin.
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Haven’t been wanting to comment on what’s going on in Minnesota, but here is my two cents. I’ve been in Law Enforcement for over 8 years now. My credentials include firearms instructor, field training officer, and I will be in my department’s SWAT selection process in two months. Local law enforcement operates differently from the federal level. Every agency, local and federal, has different levels of training and it varies with how often they get it. I can only comment on how my department operates, and we are always training. It never stops for us, which is one of the main reasons I work where I do.
I do not know anything about how ICE trains or how long their process is, but regardless, it is messy right now. If it is true the process is expedited to only be 8 weeks, that is not nearly enough time, in my opinion, for the responsibilities involved in being in any sort of career in law enforcement.
As far as this shooting, I honestly can’t defend it. Not good at all in my opinion. My guess is that there was a miscommunication or communication break down with the agents that caused that to happen, but we will find out more details as this comes out. Going to be hard to gather that totality of all circumstances because emotions are running very high currently.
If you watch the multiple videos posted what happened in about 30 seconds you will see the 2 ladies were blowing whistles accross the street and the guy was helping drivers get the hell out of there while filming with his phone including the woman in the white car he was murdered in front of.
One Ice chased the 2 women with whistles across the street and shoved one onto the sidewalk then started pepper spraying. The guy was holding his phone and filming when the ice Gang attacked him thrown face first to the ground. While the ice group were frisking him one felt his holstered gun and yelled gun and pulled it away and they started shooting him by multiple ice 10 times.
Ice escalated this not the guy.
NRA and Minnesota gun owners club just demanded an investigation happen and specify not by the government.
This is not mistakes or bad judgement by the officers. This chaos and violence is part of their mission. They want to be feared, to make people stay at home whenever and whereever they're roaming the streets. This will come in handy for midterm elections. Mark my words: ICE will be around certain polling locations to stop people from voting.
People cry about comparisons to the Nazis, but how can you not with everything thats happening right now. Bovino is literally cosplaying a third reich offizier. They will become the Gestapo of this administration.
People on the other side are making literally the exact opposite argument, that dems want chaos and protestors being shot so they can villainize ICE and Trump and stop immigration enforcement.
Both sides saying the other side wants this is probably a big part of why we have this, but hilarious to hear both sides saying the same thing with such confidence.
Not too many of the people terrorized by the gestapo got together to go chase the gestapo around while they were doing gestapo things as part of their weekend entertainment.
Thank you for the honest feedback. I appreciate it.
It just seems that many of these ICE agents aren’t properly trained. If they’re only receiving 8 weeks, that’s not enough. Especially if they don’t have previous experience using firearms.
I very much hope the 8 weeks of training thing is not true but if it is that's all the more reason to stay home and not put yourself in a situation where their incompetence might get you killed.
I wouldn't get on a plane with a pilot with 8 weeks of training and clamor on about having a right to fly.
But this is a false equivalance. While it sounds similar, its not even remotely close. Power, incentives and constraints are completely different. One side is protesters, other side is the government!
Only one side has institutional power, controls escalation. Only one side has guns, legal immunity status, decides about use of force and writes the report afterwards.
“they want protesters shot so they can villainize ICE/Trump” assumes coordination which there is no evidence for, although i would be impossible to hide such a level of coordination. Also would require people willing to die for the optics. You don
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