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Anybody reading what Mr Michael Jordan is alleging that The France Group is doing?
Think any of this will spill over to help or hurt Motocross and Supercross? I think it's a possibility........since The France Group owns the rights to Pro MX ( and all other forms of motorcycling besides SX and AX) since they bought them off the AMA in 2008. They lease the rights to MX Sports at this time.
I for one like Jordan's take on what is going on in NASCAR and it seems to be the same people he butted heads with when he raced Superbikes and was a team owner and quit racing in 2013.
Hopefully this is going to be good for the motocross teams later if the courts rule in favor for Jordan
The lawsuit isn't so much about the monopoly, which judge Bell already confirmed and said it's not an issue on its own, but rather the charter agreement and sharing of revenue. As moto doesn't have anything close to that agreement in the US, I can't see any implications in the near future.
True, but after this, maybe someone can cut a better deal for the motocross athletes possibly?
It looks to be going to benefit Jordan and Jordan's team as I write. Jordan has been relentless and The France group looks to be the bad guy here not owning up to their part of the deal.
It is my hope that the riders in the future get better economic compensation and benefits.
Comparing Nascar to AMA Pro Moto/SX is apples to oranges, and I really don't see a world where this has any real effect. Moto is much less of a monopoly with other nation series(Like AX) doing reasonably well and there's no charters so really nothing to compare here. Jordan and friends have spent more on legal teams in the last year than most teams operating budgets in moto, so if something like this did rear it's head in moto I'd expect everything to fold before a drawn out legal fight ensued.
Well, hopefully ( yea that word again) that someone somewhere sees that this lawsuit and can help riders or help start a rider union to protect the riders interest better than they have been the last 50 years. The corporation that owns MX and Nascar isn't very forthright and honest at the moment........
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The France family have absolutely gutted that sport. The lawsuit is revealing some nasty stuff from the people running the sport as well.
Kenny Wallace has good, succinct daily updates on the lawsuit on his YouTube channel. MJ is the only person in the sport who could have pushed this lawsuit to court. That’s what real FU money does for you…
Nit disagreeing with your general sentiment. But, to be fair they also literally built NASCAR from nothing.
Big Bill and Bill Jr were respected by the drivers and team owners because they were for the most part fair and would at least listen to input from the drivers and owners, while at the same time running the show. Make no mistake however, they did RUN the show. Things started to change when Brian France, the Hunter Biden of the France family, took over and it has been rough sledding for NASCAR ever since.
Jordan’s lawsuit is going to change the structure and charters of NASCAR for good. The other owners are hoping he’s successful.
As one poster already mentioned, this situation is just so different to moto I can't really see how it will in any way effect us.
23XI and Front Row are stating that NASCAR has a monopoly on premier stock car racing. Few reasons there: they have anti-competitive clauses in their contracts, they now control the IP of the cars with the next gen and the teams can't use the cars to race other series, and they own / or have contracts with the facilities to not allow other stock car style racing in these venues. Also, the teams that have charters sign contracts that they can't become owners are start race teams in series that are viewed as competition for a certain amount of years.
While in contrast, A Supercross/Motocross team or rider can go race multiple series wherever they want, they can use the bikes wherever they want, the riders can go race wherever they want (as long as their teams agree, speaking of factory-level guys here), and there's not much stopping someone else from creating a competitive series as long as it doesn't conflict on schedule and they have enough money to light on fire.
A huge part is that all your NASCAR teams are privately owned enterprises, while the majority of US Factory teams are owned by the OEMs. While NASCAR teams are pushing to get their teams in the green in terms of budget or offset their loses (in the case of someone like Penske and Hendrick, who have their own companies they leverage for sponsorship)...OEM-owned teams in the US look at race teams as a marketing item. Sure, they like to have sponsorship to offset some of that cost, but ultimately, the team doesn't exist to make money. It exist to promote the use and capabilities of their bikes.
This is just my opinion, but I think that 23XI and Front Row have a tough time justifying that NASCAR should just pay them more, as NASCAR voluntarily created the charter system and started giving the teams' media rights money from the TV deals, etc. Yes, the split isn't as high as F1's split with their teams, but it was voluntary on NASCAR's part to go down this road with the business model. However, the anti-competitive clauses and practices seem to be where they have the most merit in this case.
Maybe one of our resident legal experts on here can shed more light if they're following the case?
I know one or two team owners have gone on the record, fearing that it could dismantle the charter system, as part of the lawsuit claims it's anti-competitive by locking the teams into certain agreements. However, there's nothing that says NASCAR has to pay them charter money at all. The result of this lawsuit could cause NASCAR to have to break up its ownership of tracks and other parts of the business that make them a "monopoly"
Jorden left ama road racing because he couldn't buy the parts necessary to compete and now it's in the shitter.
Im a road race guy of that era.
His name and prestige attracted a lot of attention and support.
What parts couldn't he obtain do you speak of?
The biggest issue was laid out today to demonstrate their monopolistic practices…..nascar has gone out of their way to lock down the tracks. Also they have factored into the contracts that the teams can’t use their cars in other series even tho they have to buy the cars.
If the 2 teams win it looks like possibly winning at least $400 million
So... Jordan should basically startup a SX/MX team then, he won't have all those issues 😁
This lawsuit absolutely could impact Feld and MX Sports (via the France consortium). Feld’s counsel is likely in the courtroom taking notes….and billing all along the way. 😆
/s/ El Capitan, Esq.
I am too. He wanted to run with Yoshi and couldn't get all the parts Yoshi had from my understanding. He had really good satellite bikes that were as good as anything else on the grid but not what the Yoshi bikes were.
And also, just to add, the France family destroyed road racing in this country. My first year racing in AMA was 2009, when they took over. It was an absolute disaster coming from a group with no idea of what they were doing. MA has done a good job with the series, but I don't think we will ever see it like it was pre-DMG / 2008 economy crash.
He wanted to be the factory team or equal with Yoshimura. Much like many before him, they locked him out. His budget was ridiculous but when you don't have the ability to buy the unobtanium and Spies or Mladin it is tough to win.
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I’m not a huge NASCAR fan, and have only mildly been paying attention to this lawsuit. But the one thing I saw mentioned that drew a parallel to SX, was the complaint about teams finding big money sponsors, and then NASCAR trying to convince those sponsors to sponsor the series instead, thus stealing them from the teams. Reed and Carey Hart have both described that same situation happening with Feld.
Jordan Bianci and Jeff Gluck break it down every evening on the Tear Down.
Yeah, you summed this up perfectly. A little point to clarify though, all parties agreed that NASCAR has a monopoly. The case is more about whether NASCAR (and by extension, the France family) has used it's powers as a monopoly to enrich themselves and stifle competition.
Moto is not this way. A team can go run whichever series they see fit. Had Feld/MX Sports/AMA bar any teams from AMA series for participating in WSX, then you may have a case. The closest we got to this was the Clear Channel vs. Jam Sports lawsuit, but that was more about Clear Channel locking up venues.
The issues with NASCAR are numerous:
- NASCAR is the sanctioning body and promoter, calling into question impartiality of their officiating/race control at the very least
- NASCAR owns around 20% of the tracks on the calendar, the others they've tied up in exclusivity agreements prohibiting competing series from racing there
- NASCAR owns the intellectual property for the current car and controls the supply chain, preventing the cars from running in other series
I'm purposely leaving out the revenue splits and charger agreements as those are financial agreements. My issue is with how the series is structured.
It's funny because back in the early days of NASCAR, their unofficial saying was "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday".
Back before cars became spec racers, they were easily identified as a Ford, Chevy, etc. Now, not so much.
NASCAR used to be fun to watch 20+ years ago. Now, I honestly couldn't care less if they folded, went to fewer races or raced guinea pigs.
I love watching the old races on YouTube from the 60's & 70's. They weren't even running full cages in the race cars until the later 60's.
Their massive cast iron balls must've added left side weight..
i think this is a good take from Dale Jnr,
Nascar/France family could probably cash up the land they own for a better return,
https://x.com/DirtyMoMedia/status/1998552195952742755?s=20
He's not wrong!
That’s my rub with the whole deal and the teams saying they aren’t getting treated fairly. The Frances and co look like idiots but it’s not like they’re making insane returns.
Spies almost ended up on Jordan. Actually tested the bike and set a track record. Suzuki squashed it because they didn’t want to get beat by a satellite team.
I met MJ at Barber. Think it was the year after I was injured. Geoff May was riding for him. Geoff was a teammate of mine on our club level team and introduced me to him. MJ was awesome, definitely brought a big presence to roadracing. Too bad DMG killed it
I met MJ at Valencia. Definitely a nice dude that made a big presence. I was thought he was good for the sport
It’s been Reported this morning that a settlement has been reached
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