Desert Season

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How would you prepare a newbie for Glamis (or Ocotillo) ? Some OHV regualtions and few youtube videos can be found online, but the picture is not complete....

-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there?

-Can you ride the whole area, even down to Kumeyaay road? On the videos looks like everybody riding at the same spot...What is the point (of freeriding in the desert) if you have to pick a line?

-How do you navigate? By using GPS coordinates or events always held on Gecko road? Is there any map for insiders with the name of each secret spot?

-Does the popo has its own vehicle to catch the bad/drunk guys? How do you know if it is a camping area or a riding area...?

Thank you, any info would be appreciated.
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5/23/2019 12:59pm
MotoDogg wrote:
How would you prepare a newbie for Glamis (or Ocotillo) ? Some OHV regualtions and few youtube videos can be found online, but the picture is...
How would you prepare a newbie for Glamis (or Ocotillo) ? Some OHV regualtions and few youtube videos can be found online, but the picture is not complete....

-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there?

-Can you ride the whole area, even down to Kumeyaay road? On the videos looks like everybody riding at the same spot...What is the point (of freeriding in the desert) if you have to pick a line?

-How do you navigate? By using GPS coordinates or events always held on Gecko road? Is there any map for insiders with the name of each secret spot?

-Does the popo has its own vehicle to catch the bad/drunk guys? How do you know if it is a camping area or a riding area...?

Thank you, any info would be appreciated.
-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there? No They do not provide to much safety but every once and a while they will give you a heads up if someone is coming over something you cant really see past. The real purpose they serve is not getting a ticket for not running one. The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas. As a person with 20 years experience Glamis IS NOT full of drunks, Ocotillo or any other desert has the same amount of drunk people they are just more spread out. Lots of families and people enjoying themselves out there so dont be discouraged by rumors.

-Can you ride the whole area, even down to Kumeyaay road? On the videos looks like everybody riding at the same spot...What is the point (of freeriding in the desert) if you have to pick a line? No need to pick a line, the riding areas are huge and wide open. Holiday weekends are really the only crowded times, if you are heading there this time of year it will be practicably empty as the temps rise and people head to the river or moutains.

-How do you navigate? By using GPS coordinates or events always held on Gecko road? Is there any map for insiders with the name of each secret spot? GPS is helpful if you want to take the time and play with it.

-Does the popo has its own vehicle to catch the bad/drunk guys? How do you know if it is a camping area or a riding area...? Glamis has ranger vehicles ( Dune buggies , trucks) dedicated to Glamis to watch out for all kinds of issues and injuries and you will see them more often than other areas as they only have a few trouble areas to keep an eye on. Other riding areas have rangers in trucks but the are more spread out and have more things to worry about it seems.

Thank you, any info would be appreciated.
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I go to Glamis about five times a year. An honest recommendation would be to NEVER go out by yourself. Always go with someone who knows the dunes.

This time of the year it's getting too hot out there so just wait until next season. If you need someone to go with hit me up. I no longer have a bike since I broke both my ankles but I ride my SXS behind my friends with bikes.
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-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there? [b]No They do not provide to much safety but every once and a while...
-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there? No They do not provide to much safety but every once and a while they will give you a heads up if someone is coming over something you cant really see past. The real purpose they serve is not getting a ticket for not running one. The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas. As a person with 20 years experience Glamis IS NOT full of drunks, Ocotillo or any other desert has the same amount of drunk people they are just more spread out. Lots of families and people enjoying themselves out there so dont be discouraged by rumors.

-Can you ride the whole area, even down to Kumeyaay road? On the videos looks like everybody riding at the same spot...What is the point (of freeriding in the desert) if you have to pick a line? No need to pick a line, the riding areas are huge and wide open. Holiday weekends are really the only crowded times, if you are heading there this time of year it will be practicably empty as the temps rise and people head to the river or moutains.

-How do you navigate? By using GPS coordinates or events always held on Gecko road? Is there any map for insiders with the name of each secret spot? GPS is helpful if you want to take the time and play with it.

-Does the popo has its own vehicle to catch the bad/drunk guys? How do you know if it is a camping area or a riding area...? Glamis has ranger vehicles ( Dune buggies , trucks) dedicated to Glamis to watch out for all kinds of issues and injuries and you will see them more often than other areas as they only have a few trouble areas to keep an eye on. Other riding areas have rangers in trucks but the are more spread out and have more things to worry about it seems.

Thank you, any info would be appreciated.
"The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas."

Do you have to have a flag and permit at Gordons Well? And/or is it less enforced at Gordons Well?
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-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there? [b]No They do not provide to much safety but every once and a while...
-Does the flag provides safety? If yes, why so many accidents there? No They do not provide to much safety but every once and a while they will give you a heads up if someone is coming over something you cant really see past. The real purpose they serve is not getting a ticket for not running one. The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas. As a person with 20 years experience Glamis IS NOT full of drunks, Ocotillo or any other desert has the same amount of drunk people they are just more spread out. Lots of families and people enjoying themselves out there so dont be discouraged by rumors.

-Can you ride the whole area, even down to Kumeyaay road? On the videos looks like everybody riding at the same spot...What is the point (of freeriding in the desert) if you have to pick a line? No need to pick a line, the riding areas are huge and wide open. Holiday weekends are really the only crowded times, if you are heading there this time of year it will be practicably empty as the temps rise and people head to the river or moutains.

-How do you navigate? By using GPS coordinates or events always held on Gecko road? Is there any map for insiders with the name of each secret spot? GPS is helpful if you want to take the time and play with it.

-Does the popo has its own vehicle to catch the bad/drunk guys? How do you know if it is a camping area or a riding area...? Glamis has ranger vehicles ( Dune buggies , trucks) dedicated to Glamis to watch out for all kinds of issues and injuries and you will see them more often than other areas as they only have a few trouble areas to keep an eye on. Other riding areas have rangers in trucks but the are more spread out and have more things to worry about it seems.

Thank you, any info would be appreciated.
FWYT wrote:
"The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas." Do you have to have a flag and permit at Gordons Well? And/or is...
"The flag law only applies at Glamis and surrounding sand dune areas."

Do you have to have a flag and permit at Gordons Well? And/or is it less enforced at Gordons Well?
Yes id run a flag at Gordon wells as it is just south Glamis. The pass I am not really sure about as I have never camped over in that area. Glamis is a better riding area just FYI, much bigger with larger dunes. Gordon wells is fun but just a few patches of the good stuff.
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SteezGeez wrote:
I go to Glamis about five times a year. An honest recommendation would be to NEVER go out by yourself. Always go with someone who knows...
I go to Glamis about five times a year. An honest recommendation would be to NEVER go out by yourself. Always go with someone who knows the dunes.

This time of the year it's getting too hot out there so just wait until next season. If you need someone to go with hit me up. I no longer have a bike since I broke both my ankles but I ride my SXS behind my friends with bikes.
Awesome, thank you. I will hit you up, once I am in the area.
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Found a map


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2/5/2020 5:48am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2020 5:54am
Sand dunes 'communicate' with each other - study

"the dunes communicating, involves them shaping the air flow around them so they push other sand dunes further away.

An experimental "racetrack" was used to test two identical dunes, and although they started close together they got further apart over time.

"This interaction is controlled by turbulent swirls from the upstream dune, which push the downstream dune away," the researchers said."

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.054501

https://news.sky.com/story/sand-dunes-communicate-with-each-other-study…
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MotoDogg wrote:
Found a map [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/30/387842/s1200_64295660_2039482762830589_1609780915618857404_n.jpg[/img]
Found a map


Can any locals shed light on the "live bombing area"??
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Found a map [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/30/387842/s1200_64295660_2039482762830589_1609780915618857404_n.jpg[/img]
Found a map


ti473 wrote:
Can any locals shed light on the "live bombing area"??
Military practices in that area .
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Can any locals shed light on the "live bombing area"??
Yes, the military drop live bombs in that area. Not much more to explain.
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Hey. Ive been going to those dunes my whole life. Run the flag mount that goes through the seat bolt. IMO its better b/c it wont rub on your plastics and swing arm but it is easy to kick the flag off and break it.

Run a paddle, its so different and will make the trip more fun

People freak out too much about the cops. CA is strict and they do inforce every law. For example, I know a guy who got a glass container ticket b/c of a coffee mug. Another example, a normal gas can to everyone is not legal in CA. You need the vented system cans. Ride the dunes and have chill nights by the fire and no one will give you a hard time

Buy the required pass.

You will have no reason to go to the bombing areas. just camp where you want in the open areas and head to the dunes.

Camping areas are off of gecko road or down by the washes. I suggest going to the washes. Drive down by the glamis store and head south for a little while until you see a spt you like. Its all open area. You will see what other people are doing so do the same.

Have fun!
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Been going to Ocotillo Wells for 40+ years. I'm guessing you're on motorcycles ? Not quads or SxS's. I would camp off pole line road and plan on doing most of your riding in the east end of the park. The further west you go, the sandier it is, and the more wide open it is, ie: lots of 4 wheeled vehicles hauling ass. The area around and east of pole line (which is actually BLM land and not part of the "official" ohv park) has lots of fun hills, jumps, slot canyons and ridges to ride. Just use common sense and don't ride or jump over anything until you know whats on the other side, there are all kinds of drop offs, one hill the trail might go right up and over, the next one you might have to make a turn or drop off a cliff so be smart having said that it's a blast out there. Get a map from the ranger station, all the major trails and land marks have signs. This is a video from a couple weeks ago on my 61st birthday. First ride in the dirt on my new dual sport (500exc) (It's not that great of a video sorry, some glare and I'm slow) But it's pretty typical of whats in that area. This is east of "The gas domes" Camping is free and you can camp anywhere you want, there are rangers that patrol around but unless you're doing something really stupid they won't bother you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNmM_K1pN0&t=27s
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/08/418121/s1200_K_pkiv_g_s2.jpg[/img]

Heavily considered this app. Problem is my iPhone with At&t quickly loses service where I would need such a thing
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Started prepping for another desert season. Our kids are extra enthused to go now that they both have campers toys and young kids. Headed to Ocotillo Wells Sunday through Wednesday. I know there’s going to be a crowd but hopefully we’ll miss the full mayhem that’ll come out Wednesday night for the official Thanksgiving weekend. Have to admit I’m a little apprehensive now with the amount of newbies in side by sides out there now. The plan is stay off the main trails and boink around the single tracks or just go cross country and fuck the trails altogether. I know some people frown on that but if there’s sxs’s flying around doing 50+ on every trail fuck it I don’t care. Anyone else headed out there this season ? 
Got firewood and a fresh front fatty on the 500 today. Loading up everything else tomorrow and on the road Sunday am. 
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I might bring the kids out for the day on Wednesday. I have to fix a road after all the rain. 

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Zacatack27 wrote:

I might bring the kids out for the day on Wednesday. I have to fix a road after all the rain. 

The flash flood videos are crazy. I’m curious to see what’s been “rearranged” out there. Hoping hoping fingers crossed that the sxs’s don’t chew up every square inch before it has a little time to harden up. It’s amazing what 30,000 donuts will do to a nice flat area to camp. 

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Camping at Dumont Dunes as I wright this. Got here on Monday and had the place mostly to ourselves. Yesterday (Friday) people really started coming in. A couple nights of rain and showers off and on has made the sand primo!!! It should be good at all the dune areas for the Thanksgiving week. I definitely like the use of flags to get a quick warning that someone is on the other side of the ridge. Be Smart, Have Fun!

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I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not all that bad, but the clay turned some areas into completely unrideable slop. The rest of the dirt was absolutely perfect, though. And the day after (Sunday) was amazing.

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I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not...

I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not all that bad, but the clay turned some areas into completely unrideable slop. The rest of the dirt was absolutely perfect, though. And the day after (Sunday) was amazing.

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Catching the desert after a rain is a very short window and it's epic when you do.

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Luxon MX wrote:
I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not...

I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not all that bad, but the clay turned some areas into completely unrideable slop. The rest of the dirt was absolutely perfect, though. And the day after (Sunday) was amazing.

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Great photos.👍

11/22/2025 11:59am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2025 12:08pm
Luxon MX wrote:
I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not...

I was in Ocotillo Wells last weekend with all the rain. It was great, till we were stuck out in the heavy rain and floods! Not all that bad, but the clay turned some areas into completely unrideable slop. The rest of the dirt was absolutely perfect, though. And the day after (Sunday) was amazing.

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The single worst day of racing I ever had was a D38 national during a torrential downpour. I almost died. My bike almost disappeared into a clay arroyo vortex of doom. I fell into an arroyo and was neck deep in silty, fast-flowing water. I had to walk 10 miles to the pits soaking wet. My 450x was completely ruined. Every bearing, bushing and seal needed to be replaced. Chain and sprockets destroyed. The motor was completely filled with silty muck. I pumped 10 gallons of diesel through it at midnight just to try to save the bottom end. The valve train was absolute toast.


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11/22/2025 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2025 12:06pm

Ocotillo last Sunday. 
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 Thanks for posting those ! I'm motivated now. There's was one trip we got caught when the kids were little that we never got cleaned up to be honest. The kids had fun though. The PW came back on a 200X 3 wheeler when the front tire refused to turn 😄 Good times lol

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Ocotillo IMG 4269 3.jpeg?VersionId=Qm0S75aX.82zIMG 4176 2.jpeg?VersionId=lurmW8Da59mrRnT5APS95eOOlFcafter rain is so epic!! Six years ago thanksgiving weekend

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Found the PW rescue photo lol

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Well if you guys make it out between now and Wednesday we’ll be off poleline on the right side not too far out. CRF250 # 124 and a KTM # 523. IMG 8198 0.jpeg?VersionId=iY

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Not sure who built this ramp out here but my kid says thanks ! 😊 IMG 8287IMG 8288

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