WSX please let all of us who are out 30$ know what's up right here.

Radical wrote:

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.The way I see it, and how...

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.

The way I see it, and how I've dealt with other streaming providers having issues, is that once I've paid to watch the race, I'll watch it wherever I can, even the free youtube or other streams.

I eventually watched the race using the link they provided similar to the post above.

I opened it on my laptop, then connected my laptop to my TV over HDMI.  The framerate wasn't great.  There may be a way to fix that.  I'll investigate for next race.

What I really want, is for them to fix their issues, then make sure the website and streaming work in the browser that comes with a Samsung Smart TV.

My guess is that either they underestimated the number of people who would be streaming it, or they simply didn't test.

In case anyone from WSX reads this, the audio was subpar.  You need to analyze your entire setup, starting with the microphones, and upgrade where necessary.

If you want to really make a statement, record and stream it in 4k next year.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Kooksey will likely have a video out tomorrow blaming Carrie Coombs for any issues that may have happened to the streaming. 

Kooksey will likely have a video out tomorrow blaming Carrie Coombs for any issues that may have happened to the streaming. 

kylemenz1 wrote:

Got to love Vital.  “Grow the sport” “need better tv packages” “the announcers suck” “the track is lame” “the venue is janky” “the riders absolutely must...

Got to love Vital.  “Grow the sport” “need better tv packages” “the announcers suck” “the track is lame” “the venue is janky” “the riders absolutely must make more salary. They risk their life out there” “safety is horrible!” “They need paid professional flaggers”

$30 to watch the race…F-that! I can watch for free. How in the hell do you expect and race organizations to fix any of the above problems if we can’t get off our wallets and spend $30 to watch a race. Guaranteed y’all spent 500+ dollars on titanium bolts for your dirt bikes that you don’t need.  

Press516 wrote:

WSX or FIM, don’t care who…. Needs to refund all of us.  I’ll also work on canceling the charge.

Radical wrote:

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.The way I see it, and how...

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.

The way I see it, and how I've dealt with other streaming providers having issues, is that once I've paid to watch the race, I'll watch it wherever I can, even the free youtube or other streams.

I eventually watched the race using the link they provided similar to the post above.

I opened it on my laptop, then connected my laptop to my TV over HDMI.  The framerate wasn't great.  There may be a way to fix that.  I'll investigate for next race.

What I really want, is for them to fix their issues, then make sure the website and streaming work in the browser that comes with a Samsung Smart TV.

My guess is that either they underestimated the number of people who would be streaming it, or they simply didn't test.

In case anyone from WSX reads this, the audio was subpar.  You need to analyze your entire setup, starting with the microphones, and upgrade where necessary.

If you want to really make a statement, record and stream it in 4k next year.

cloverdale wrote:

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have...

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have kept...!

Radical wrote:

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.The way I see it, and how...

No one's out $30.  At most we're out $6 or 1/5 of the $30.  There are 4 more races remaining.

The way I see it, and how I've dealt with other streaming providers having issues, is that once I've paid to watch the race, I'll watch it wherever I can, even the free youtube or other streams.

I eventually watched the race using the link they provided similar to the post above.

I opened it on my laptop, then connected my laptop to my TV over HDMI.  The framerate wasn't great.  There may be a way to fix that.  I'll investigate for next race.

What I really want, is for them to fix their issues, then make sure the website and streaming work in the browser that comes with a Samsung Smart TV.

My guess is that either they underestimated the number of people who would be streaming it, or they simply didn't test.

In case anyone from WSX reads this, the audio was subpar.  You need to analyze your entire setup, starting with the microphones, and upgrade where necessary.

If you want to really make a statement, record and stream it in 4k next year.

cloverdale wrote:

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have...

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have kept...!

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

TeamGreen wrote:

They need to refund. I’ve heard far too many people say it didn’t work. 

cloverdale wrote:

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have...

An alternative angle at the math is as follows: The TUBI stream is free and the race is available on TUBI. Thirty dollars you could have kept...!

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

cloverdale wrote:

First and foremost, I was simply adding humor to the conversation - I paid my $30. For the record, TUBI is a totally normal legitimate service...

First and foremost, I was simply adding humor to the conversation - I paid my $30. For the record, TUBI is a totally normal legitimate service.  I will acknowledge that I was surprised they covered it.... Normally one of the legitimate Journalists post this information ahead of time... Life is good, enjoy some humor, enjoy WSX... Life is short...

Radical wrote:

I didn't get the humor.  Everything doesn't come across in text.Also, my post didn't need to quote yours.  I probably should've just made a new post.It...

I didn't get the humor.  Everything doesn't come across in text.

Also, my post didn't need to quote yours.  I probably should've just made a new post.

It just seems there are some members here who think streaming these races should be free.  As someone who's been on the other side of piracy, I wanted to make a point, that it costs money to put on these events.

Have an awesome day!

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:

Tubi is a streaming service. Comes stock on most smartTV’s. They’re not pirating anything. They simply broadcast beinsports or whatever it’s called. I get what you’re...

Tubi is a streaming service. Comes stock on most smartTV’s. They’re not pirating anything. They simply broadcast beinsports or whatever it’s called. I get what you’re trying to say but you’re wrong. People got shafted out of 30 bucks. It’s pretty simple. Super weird you keep trying to act all high brow about it. 

Radical wrote:

I didn't get the humor.  Everything doesn't come across in text.Also, my post didn't need to quote yours.  I probably should've just made a new post.It...

I didn't get the humor.  Everything doesn't come across in text.

Also, my post didn't need to quote yours.  I probably should've just made a new post.

It just seems there are some members here who think streaming these races should be free.  As someone who's been on the other side of piracy, I wanted to make a point, that it costs money to put on these events.

Have an awesome day!

harescrambled wrote:

If it's ad supported, from a legitimate provider, the stream is not "free" 

Radical wrote:

My second sentence said that if they're not pirating the stream, then I agree with cloverdale.How am I being High brow?If WSX gets their crap together...

My second sentence said that if they're not pirating the stream, then I agree with cloverdale.

How am I being High brow?

If WSX gets their crap together this week, everyone who paid $30, me included, are going to get 4 of the 5 races, so we missed out on 1, which WSX needs to compensate people for.  I'm not saying to let it slide.  I'm saying that we all paid for 5, and getting 4. We're not getting nothing for $30.

We've had trouble with other streaming services.  My comments about watching the race on a pirate stream is simply saying that that's fair, and since I paid for it, I'm watching it.  I'm not saying that whatever streaming service is providing bad service shouldn't need to issue refunds.

Radical wrote:

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.If not, then I agree with you.But, WSX, like every business...

I'm assuming Tubi is pirating the video, along with TikTok, YouTube and any other free streams.

If not, then I agree with you.

But, WSX, like every business, needs to have revenue, or they won't be around for long.

They're paying venues, track builders, riders, announcers, a TV crew, promotion, etc....

This all needs to be paid for, plus a reasonable amount more, so they earn a profit for their efforts and the $risk they took.  That's fair.

So, how are they getting revenue?

* Sponsors,

* Ticket Sales to watch the events live.

* A portion of the fee for streaming.

I doubt that they'd break even without the $ from streaming.

I know how streaming works, and how to implement it.  It's not easy for a new organization to get it dialed in.

But, when they hit a snag with Recast.tv, they posted an alternative URL, and have stated that they're going to make things right financially.  What more should they do? 

The fact is that the "Free" streams got their content from WSX, who spent $millions to put on the race, and create the stream.  The $30 for 5 races isn't paying just for the streaming.  It's also part of how WSX is able to pay to put on the events.

So, it's important for all of us who are able, to pay for the non-free content we consume through the official channels.

profmur wrote:

Your post illustrates that counter to your claim, you do not understand how streaming works. Bein sports is a legitimate video partner of wsx.  

Your post illustrates that counter to your claim, you do not understand how streaming works. 

Bein sports is a legitimate video partner of wsx.  

Radical wrote:

My second sentence said that if they're not pirating the stream, then I agree with cloverdale.How am I being High brow?If WSX gets their crap together...

My second sentence said that if they're not pirating the stream, then I agree with cloverdale.

How am I being High brow?

If WSX gets their crap together this week, everyone who paid $30, me included, are going to get 4 of the 5 races, so we missed out on 1, which WSX needs to compensate people for.  I'm not saying to let it slide.  I'm saying that we all paid for 5, and getting 4. We're not getting nothing for $30.

We've had trouble with other streaming services.  My comments about watching the race on a pirate stream is simply saying that that's fair, and since I paid for it, I'm watching it.  I'm not saying that whatever streaming service is providing bad service shouldn't need to issue refunds.

H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:

You’re not quite grasping the concept of the races being FREE on tubitv. The channel the races are on is streamed for FREE on Tubi’s live...

You’re not quite grasping the concept of the races being FREE on tubitv. The channel the races are on is streamed for FREE on Tubi’s live tv stream.  Therefore the people who paid 30 bucks to watch it are out 30 bucks for no reason…hope that makes it easier for you. 

Radical wrote:

I got that!  That's an official channel.  Again, I clarified in my second sentence that I'm cool with that.

Peace

ohh_454 wrote:

WSX needed a way to pay some of these wildcard entries lol