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Text message conversation with the lover....you guys buying it? It could be natural, but it also could be something that's planned ahead of time, the "perfect script":
To be fair, the ratio here is a bit skewed. All of the conservatives were banned last week.
In the interview I saw he realizes the irony of the topic he was trying to discuss with Charlie and what happened, but he appeared to be shaken up by the whole thing.
He admitted that there's almost zero he agreed with when it came to politics and that the people cheering for what happened are fucked in the head. He's also a father with a kid around the same age as Charlie's children, so he's disturbed by it. Can't imagine kids growing up without a father and him being killed over word some person didn't like/agreed with. The video is out there and if I remember correctly he mentioned something along the lines of he fears Charlie's kids will eventually be shown their father getting killed.
Pretty sad huh? There's a lot more than 14 of them here...it's become infested.
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I liked your post but, I’m curious about your opinion on who you think are being deceived right now.
Either way, all the opinions here are free speech. We have a lot of privileges in the US. Sure you have to watch what you say but so many other countries would jail people for way less.
A few thoughts on the text message string:
1. All people are innocent until proven guilty and this could be a perfectly honest and innocent exchange, and I hope it is.
2. However, when reading it I find this exchange to be very unusual for a lover who just found out his boyfriend killed a very influential person at a rally in front of 1000's. I think the conversation would likely be more of a "WTF are you thinking!" response, and "Call me now!". It would have been known that Tyler hated Charlie Kirk (confirmed), so I don't see the roommate asking "Why?" did you do it. And I don't see a whole text exchange laying out all the details perfectly. But then again, I'm not their age and I hate text messaging so I'm probably wrong.
3. How many of you engrave bullets?? Since the roommate saw him engraving bullets, were there really no questions asked about the reason for doing so? I would think anyone who's seen engraving bullets would be asked, WTF are those for and why are you doing that?
Either Tyler Robinson acted completely alone and no one had any idea he was going to do it. Or, Tyler got brainwashed by an accomplice or two and became the scapegoat and fall guy.
That text message thread has got to be a joke. Way too many why would you say that's and too many no one talks like that's for me to belive that.
There is the reason i don't like up and downvotes. It is confusing . Are people downvote your post or the fact that terrorist organization like Armed queers exist in USA ?
I was really confused by this post highlighting this strange group. I was sort of wondering what I was looking at. This seems so over the top (even a hammer and sickle!) that I thought it had to be satire. But this is a real group? Geez. I've said before that I need to get out more but I'm kind of thinking that I'd rather not if that's the kind of shit I'll see. WTF is wrong with people?
Had an interesting chat yesterday with my kid about some of what he sees lifeguarding at a public pool. He described some of the trans people he's encountered at the pool as guys pretending to be chicks while wearing string, thong bikinis with their balls hanging out. Of course, if they look or act really inappropriate he's got to kick them out - preferably without them causing a a scene in the women's locker room - at which point he has to listen to an indignant speech about discrimination, which he has no patience for. His descriptions had me laughing hysterically. He's got one co-worker about whom he jokingly said that he goes up to them daily and asks: So what am I calling you today? He just kind of thinks it's all very ridiculous. As much as I was laughing, it's really not funny when I stop to think about it.
To highlight why it's not really a laughing matter, he was making the argument in our conversation last night that true gender dysphoria is exceedingly rare, so when you see several trans people in a relatively small group, chances are most if not all of them are doing it for attention - hence the absurd appearance of many of them. Trans activists would consider what my son was saying to me to be hateful. When they cheer Charlie's murder by saying that he was hateful, I often wonder: Do these people think my son should be shot for his beliefs too? He doesn't hate them (you can think they're ridiculous without hating them) but do they hate him? When I think about it in those terms, it really hits home.
There’s a lot of whacky groups out there, but it’s been in media for awhile now
I think I’ve had my head in the sand. Times have changed. Like Yogi Berra said, the future ain’t what it used to be.
Did I understand you correctly that the tranny's are allowed in the women's locker room? I don't believe so, but if yes (this is sick), then what prevents some pervert from claiming he feels like a woman today to enter the women's locker room to perv on women??
What prevents a guy at a ball game from saying he feels like a woman so he can use the woman's restroom because there's no line and he wants to perv on the women?
My understanding was that they're not - and he's had to convey that to them, provoking yelling at him about discrimination. He's preventing them from causing a scene by preventing them from going in there. I could have stated that more clearly.
Okay great, glad to hear and thanks for the confirmation.
Bondi had some interesting things to say about hate speech today. I don’t support any of the negative or not so nice things people said with this whole Kirk deal but what she said sure seems to be infringing on the first amendment. Not good.
I don’t think anybody was keen on her announcements. The republican commentators I’ve seen have been strongly against them.
Good. Between her comments and what I’ve read about Project Esther it doesn’t sound good at all.
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Kind of a summary:
I think about how it will be interpreted too.
“When they cheer Charlie's murder by saying that he was hateful…..”
Just to be clear, pointing out that Kirk was (at least at times) hateful is not the same as cheering for his death.
libs, I swear.
"I disagree with him" does NOT equal that he said hateful things. No matter how much they might have hurt your feelings.
Nobody under the age of 40 communicates like this. Think of a 20 something you know and send them some texts and look at their replies. I have to decipher almost everything my nieces and nephews from that generation text me. That reads like an uptight old police officer typing up a summary of a conversation that they heard about second hand and took some liberties with.
Something definitely stinks about the whole thing. Also where is the bullet?
Man, I've always been a pretty staunch libertarian, and over the years I've had my differences with both sides. However, I've had to put up with way worse, and way more shit out of the far-left. They're mouth-foaming fanatics, and there's really no point in communicating with them.
There is certainly a difference between thinking he was hateful and thinking he deserved to die, and there are plenty of people who think the former but not the latter. I was thinking in my comment of the people who seemed overtly pleased - I saw several comments about it being good that a Nazi/fascist was killed.
I don’t want to let it slip through unnoticed that you said “pointing out”. That implies that there is something to point out, which I’m not willing to concede. I don’t think he was hateful. He seemed very respectful and willing to listen.
Perhaps some people would concede that he wasn’t overtly hateful but that he promoted views that if not obviously hateful, implied hate. But that’s very uncharitable. I know that some think evangelical Christianity is hateful because it doesn’t affirm certain values like marriage equality for same sex couples. That’s a tricky issue. People can have good faith disagreements about such things and to ascribe hatefulness to those with whom you disagree is both uncharitable and unhelpful for productive dialogue. I think people need to accept the fact of disagreement without rushing to dismiss others as hateful. We can surely distinguish between a sincere, well intentioned evangelical and a KKK member - those who can’t aren’t really interested in participating in a reasonable conversation.
edit: comments were on social media like Facebook celebrating his death, not Vital.
Calling someone “hateful” is a conversation stopper. In some cases it’s appropriate. If someone really is part of a hateful group they don’t deserve to be part of our societal conversation. The question we need to ask ourselves is: Who deserves to be part of the conversation. The answer can’t be: People who think like me.
The way i have explained it to people many times is this.... if you don't think someone can be opposed to some aspects of the way a person lives their life, particularly when it comes to sex or alternative lifestyles, and still love them unconditionally, just think about college students. How many kids go away to college, party, hook ups, whatever.... and generally live lives very counter to what their parents believe is right for them or right in general? Are you really telling me those parents don't love their kids? Please...... this notion that you have to affirm every choice someone makes or you hate them is just absurd and people need to start treating it as such. If you can only accept someone if they agree with you on everything, you're not loving them, you're just a narcissist in love with yourself.
I agree with you. But the really crazy thing is that Charlie Kirk was very much against hate. He makes that very clear here. People who actually hate gays thought Charlie was too accepting.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19zSr11T4F/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Ermiya Fanaeian, an organizer with "Armed Queers SLC", who interestingly is from Iran originally.... Also co-founded the Utah chapter of "March for Our Lives", which organizes student led demonstrations in support of gun control.
Think of this guy the next time you hear calls for abolishing the 2nd amendment.
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