SMX Gimmick

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Remember when WSX first came about and every one of you on here were clamoring about how much better and professional SMX was? And how it was a genius idea and so great for the sport? I do. SMX has always been a joke from its inception. It’s time to scratch the corny name and 3 race series and bring back Red Bull straight rhythm and the monster cup for the off season. 

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9/6/2025 10:34pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2025 10:35pm

This unfortunate situation is something out of everyone’s control. When there’s lightning, there’s no racing. Period. 

This isn’t unusual or unheard of in professional sports. Baseball and football games are sometimes called due to weather and played on entirely different days - even playoff games. But the game is eventually completed. It would be nice if the motos could be made up at some point if possible, and it might not be. 

Yeah, this playoff exists to make money. What’s the problem? That’s why any professional sport exists. But to add context, wasn’t this “world championship” invented in response to WSX? Is it gimmicky? Perhaps. But that has nothing to do with today’s weather related issues. 
 

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I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where...

I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where you only get one moto because they chose an outdoor venue with no lights and a track that was considered too dangerous to race if rained.

 

There's $1.5m on the line and they just cancel half the event.  I understand there were weather circumstances but this just seems extremely amateur.

agn5008 wrote:
It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s...

It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s not FELD, AMA or anyone having absolutely anything to do with racing making that decision. That’s the policy for literally every single stadium in the country (which is a requirement through their insurance companies). Literally any event taking place at that venue would have been suspended due to the lightening. 

I don’t like that there was only one moto per class either. But if you’re going to be upset, at least be upset with the correct people. You know damn well that if it was possible to have the remaining motos they would have. Sunday may not have been realistic. These venues are rented for certain dates and times. FELD can’t just decide on a whim that they’re going to reschedule the races for Sunday. They don’t own the venue and they don’t get to make just make those types of decisions. It’s almost like you renting out a venue for your wedding on Saturday then you catch a stomach bug and decide you’re going to have your wedding on Sunday. Now you expect the venue to allow you to use it as you please, all the caterers to adjust their schedules to fit yours, the photographer, the DJ, the bartenders, the cleaning crew, the attendees, so on and so forth to just be available to attend your wedding on Sunday because you decided to change it Saturday halfway through the evening. It’s not realistic and it’s absolutely absurd to even think that it is. 

Hey! I don’t think your common sense is allowed here!

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9/6/2025 10:44pm Edited Date/Time 9/10/2025 11:59am
Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

One of the good things though, is that the back half of the field guys /privateers, get an opportunity to make some nice money.

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Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

kxf250f176 wrote:
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field...

If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field running a series that doesn't benefit anyone but them selves. The riders racing actually have a chance for good money. Let's watch the racing and stop complaining. 

Good post.💯👍🏻

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I like watching these races. The only thing I would change is the double and triple points races. Why? Double and triple points races are what promoters do to get racers to show up for the whole series. This is high level dirt bike racing not some chicken licks winter indoor race.

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I like watching these races. The only thing I would change is the double and triple points races. Why? Double and triple points races are what...

I like watching these races. The only thing I would change is the double and triple points races. Why? Double and triple points races are what promoters do to get racers to show up for the whole series. This is high level dirt bike racing not some chicken licks winter indoor race.

I agree on the points. The payout should be enough to bring the top guys to the table. Hell, look at Pierce Brown last year. The kid was set to make about $20k for the series, but he went out and won the last race and turned it into $180k. 

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I like the races, the idea of combining both disciplines of racing, and maybe even the format of two 20’s. But yeah the points are a bit gimmicky and it shouldn’t carry weight of a legitimate championship with only 3 (or 2.5) races

And I do think there should be a grand national champion for SX+MX
 

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Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

But if Parker Ross and Lux Turner each finish 20th in the “finals”, how much do they make? 

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

mxnick wrote:

But if Parker Ross and Lux Turner each finish 20th in the “finals”, how much do they make? 

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

RC, Weege and JT have a job to do. If it’s not them it will be someone else helping market the series. I don’t know about you but I usually do my job so I can continue to be paid. Part of having SMX was to keep the TV package, unless we want to go back to mavtv.

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

RC, Weege and JT have a job to do. If it’s not them it will be someone else helping market the series. I don’t know about...

RC, Weege and JT have a job to do. If it’s not them it will be someone else helping market the series. I don’t know about you but I usually do my job so I can continue to be paid. Part of having SMX was to keep the TV package, unless we want to go back to mavtv.

Sometimes i forget my audience. If the only thing you are taking away from posts is me somehow not liking those 3 or saying they are doing a bad job.. man i dont think i want to keep this convo going with you. No offense

Yes, most things that happen all over the world is because someone has a job to do. Thank you for that

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Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them.  25 to 28K for being in...

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

Which sport are you talking about? 

The ones that get 2x to 3x the eyeballs that moto gets? Hard to compare golf or nascar to moto when you look at eyeballs and viewership. 

Post up some numbers though. 

If a guy goes 20-20-20 in the 450 class on the 3 playoff races and also finishes 20th in the points, he gets $34,800 in purse money. 

These guys don’t get a supena to race - it’s a choice. The purse payouts have been crappy forever. But this is a shot in the arm for guys like Hand.  

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

mxnick wrote:

But if Parker Ross and Lux Turner each finish 20th in the “finals”, how much do they make? 

Talon wrote:
Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them.  25 to 28K for being in...

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little less than half of 2024’s entire SX season ratings (7.3M). 

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Let's just say that this SMX round makes MXGP of Turkiye look pretty sweet and that round sucks. Track was horrible let alone all the other shit that was going on at Charlotte

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mxnick wrote:

But if Parker Ross and Lux Turner each finish 20th in the “finals”, how much do they make? 

Talon wrote:
Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them.  25 to 28K for being in...

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

Sully wrote:
The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little...

The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little less than half of 2024’s entire SX season ratings (7.3M). 

Yep. good call. 25k to be in the top 20 for a professional sport is right on par. Im sure these big companies like Feld and Mx sports couldn't afford anything more.   

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9/7/2025 1:04am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2025 1:07am
Talon wrote:
Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them.  25 to 28K for being in...

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

Sully wrote:
The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little...

The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little less than half of 2024’s entire SX season ratings (7.3M). 

Talon wrote:
Yep. good call. 25k to be in the top 20 for a professional sport is right on par. Im sure these big companies like Feld and...

Yep. good call. 25k to be in the top 20 for a professional sport is right on par. Im sure these big companies like Feld and Mx sports couldn't afford anything more.   

Number 20 on the pro bowling tour (similar tv ratings) earned $54k this year. Chizz finished 22nd at last year’s playoffs and earned $25k for 3 weeks of racing in addition to what his sponsors are paying him. 

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I guess some have to flop every now and then, but jeeze that was an awful watch. 

Had me triggered lap 1 of the 250’s when RC could only talk about racing and Hammaker, the story lines, instead of the actual racing that was happening on screen. I was really excited this morning haha

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Before smx the riders would not race the nationals ….so it’s ok w me

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Talon wrote:
Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain...

Its not like SMX saved the outdoors like some of you are claiming. There is a handful of guys who only do enough MX to maintain a certain seeding position for the "Playoffs" The only reason this race has any value is for guys already making loads of money to make more money. 

For those of you claiming its a chance for them to make some money... like all American money, only the rich are getting richer. MX Sports, Feld and the top 5 from each class that already make an assload. Parker Ross and Lux Turner arent making shit and are in the top 20 riders in the friggin world at what they do. 

It would be one thing if these promoters and peddle pushers like RC, Weege and JT would stop making this series into something its not and just call it what it is. 3 exhibition races that have no clout in the AMA record books. Oh wait, then they wont be able to get our ticket money because only THEN would the common tard not fall for the Gimmick.

Oh Jett is gonna be the super duper ultra motocross champion of the WORLD. Take my money so i can watch

 

You know who employs rc, jt and Weege right, and who injected the money for smx to happen? Of course they are going to hype it. They are paid to do it. 

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JFC, we lost two motos out of 28 possible so far in SMX and people are acting like the world is ending.  

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SMx is the “burning man” of Mx…..

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9/7/2025 5:16am

“It’s too muddy, how can they possibly expect to be considered a professional sport when they allow riders to ride around in conditions like this?!”


Sorry, thought I’d balance things out around here and put us at status quo. 

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ando wrote:

JFC, we lost two motos out of 28 possible so far in SMX and people are acting like the world is ending.  

Remember like a week ago when everyone was saying the season is too long..

We are the most fickle fans on the planet 😂

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9/7/2025 5:23am

For what it’s worth I thought the track was pretty cool. It seemed like it challenged the riders and I thought the motocross section looked like something you would see at an actual outdoor national. That’s just the opinion of someone watching from their couch though, I think quite a few riders said it was pretty sketchy so obviously conditions weren’t ideal.

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9/7/2025 5:25am

The biggest loser of the weekend is JCoop. This whole weekend gave me off-season fair race vibes. 

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The weather and the gimmicky nature of SMX  are two ENTIRELY different topics. As for the weather,  shit happens and they're hands are tied. But if these playoffs are such a huge deal, why not finish Sunday. 

 

That said the gimmicks are getting out of hand. Didn't half the riders have a disadvantage when the stupid split start came together?  And the tracks are a complete joke. Glorified fair races. And boring as hell. I watched the first one because I was curious. I'll probably watch rounds 2 and 3 but definitely don't need to see them live...unless I need a nap. 

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Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

kxf250f176 wrote:
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field...

If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field running a series that doesn't benefit anyone but them selves. The riders racing actually have a chance for good money. Let's watch the racing and stop complaining. 

Talon wrote:
Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on. The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to...

Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on.

 

The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to the standings of the grand national champion type thing. The only reason this series exists is to get your ticket money so they can give peanuts to the riders

The only reason the series exists is to provide content for NBC, who in turn pays kindly. Without the playoffs there is no additional money to pay the GNC.

 

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I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

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