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JBone19 wrote:
Think you’re pretty right! I heard so far a few extra things; Everts confirmed to stayFernandez as a third rider at HRCValin moves to the Austrian groupRossi...

Think you’re pretty right! I heard so far a few extra things;
 

Everts confirmed to stay
Fernandez as a third rider at HRC
Valin moves to the Austrian group

Rossi leaving ktm, might a chance of a 2nd HRC spot or Kawasaki. 

Vlaanderen 2nd spot, did anyone confirm that? I heard they are chasing some other riders as well (Gifting one of them) 

Gifting also chased by Fantic, which will move into the JM team if I’m correct. Maybe that will help Coldenhoff as well to move into that squad as Fantic rider. 

Braceras, isn’t he aging out of MX2 as well?

And damn, that list with free MXGP riders is big, the smaller teams have quite some riders to pick for an ADAC or Italian championship.

Valin leaving KRT?

Are you sure about this one?

Renner153 wrote:

Someone should tell Kawasaki if so.

I hope my source isn’t correct, but normally he’s. Would be a loss for Kawasaki, Valin is doing great and with some extra experience I see big things for Kawasaki and Valin the upcoming years.

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9/2/2025 10:38am

I am looking forward to watching Herlings on a Honda.  Will be weird to see him on Red, but interesting to see what he can do on that bike.

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Jeffrey needs to bring Ruben back 

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DeStouwer wrote:

Rumour has it that Hans Corvers fired all his mechanics. Gajser would bring his own mechanic next season.

MXMattii wrote:
Ain't a rumor, they are all independent contractors and won't be used next year. The team coordinator will stay and Jeremy Fontaine stays too.Fernandez will be...

Ain't a rumor, they are all independent contractors and won't be used next year. The team coordinator will stay and Jeremy Fontaine stays too.

Fernandez will be indeed the third rider at HRC. Rossi talks with Maddii Honda. Geerts hasn't much options one of the options is BETA.

If his only option is Beta: i think you can call it a career…
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Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to line up some sponsorship in Belgium for him. 

Give him time to rebuild his confidence and imo the results will come

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rym wrote:
Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to...

Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to line up some sponsorship in Belgium for him. 

Give him time to rebuild his confidence and imo the results will come

Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your best days have passed. I know they're labeled as "factoryteams", but only in name. The moment you lose your status of factoryrider, the last years of your career have come.

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rym wrote:
Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to...

Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to line up some sponsorship in Belgium for him. 

Give him time to rebuild his confidence and imo the results will come

DeStouwer wrote:
Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your...

Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your best days have passed. I know they're labeled as "factoryteams", but only in name. The moment you lose your status of factoryrider, the last years of your career have come.

Ducati not a factory team? Really?? 

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9/3/2025 12:49am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2025 1:27am
rym wrote:
Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to...

Geerts would be better of going privateer. Bikes and parts wont be the problem for him and i would think his management should be able to line up some sponsorship in Belgium for him. 

Give him time to rebuild his confidence and imo the results will come

DeStouwer wrote:
Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your...

Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your best days have passed. I know they're labeled as "factoryteams", but only in name. The moment you lose your status of factoryrider, the last years of your career have come.

ksithumper wrote:

Ducati not a factory team? Really?? 

Like I said, only in name. Do you honestly think they can compete with any factoryteam from Japan or the KTM-group? Or even Fantic or Triumph?

Many came, many failed. Aprilia, CCM, WRM, VOR,.. They were all labeled as "factoryteam", and they all disappeared through the backdoor. Beta is a factoryteam for how long now? Four, five years? Have you noticed any progress at all? As in riders, results, setup, R&D? Those bikes still can't get properly around a sand track. Those kind of teams are the last bus stop for former factoryriders, so to speak.

Ducati will go the same way, despite all the effort. Gajser and Renaux tested the bike and said they didn't want to ride a tractor. It's cool for an Italian brand to have Cairoli as your ambassador, but that's just company propaganda, something Italian brands are very good at. Triumph had Carmichael, Cervantes, Desalle and Tedesco as ambassadors and test riders, and they've worked on that bike for four years before putting it in the world championship. What pays off almost immediately, by signing young promising riders like Haarup, McLellan and Farrés.

Take a look at the riders from Beta and Ducati:

Van Horebeek: factory Kawasaki > factory Yamaha > private Honda > "factory" Beta

Watson: private KTM > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Beta

Lupino: semi-factory Kawasaki > semi-factory Yamaha > private KTM > "factory" Beta

Seewer: factory Suzuki > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Ducati

Guadagnini: factory KTM > factory GasGas > factory Husqvarna > "factory" Ducati

Those are all riders a) during the twilight of their career or b) riders like Guadagnini who's been a factory rider for many years but is showing signs that he has reached his ceiling and will not perform any better anymore. Those are just simple facts.

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I'm not so sure about Ducati though. Wilvo is not a guy that will step into a project thinking it's a last resort for riders

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Cortami79 wrote:

I'm not so sure about Ducati though. Wilvo is not a guy that will step into a project thinking it's a last resort for riders

Well, that's a huge positive item for anyone involved, indeed. Vosters seems to make it work every time, no matter the brand of the bike. I hope he can make it work with Ducati aswell, but I have my doubts. I would be glad to eat humble pie if he proves me wrong. The more succesfull brands, the better.

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9/3/2025 2:16am

Difficult to put Ducati in the same bag than Beta...

But presently, I hope Renaux will choose to stay with Yamaha for next year...

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Lets just say that as of today the Ducati bike is a career killer. I cant see Seewer with his results being able to demand a big payday if he wanted to move to a different factory team when his contract is up.

A guy like Geerts going to Beta or to Ducati with its current bike makes it impossible to improve his stock at all imo

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rym wrote:
Lets just say that as of today the Ducati bike is a career killer. I cant see Seewer with his results being able to demand a...

Lets just say that as of today the Ducati bike is a career killer. I cant see Seewer with his results being able to demand a big payday if he wanted to move to a different factory team when his contract is up.

A guy like Geerts going to Beta or to Ducati with its current bike makes it impossible to improve his stock at all imo

I don't know. The Ducati seemed solid at the start of the season but it's tanked ever since. But maybe that was because the brand is switching teams for next season so there's not much point in the current team continuing to develop it.

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
absolutely right.....ivano van erp 3 years emx125 ...3 years emx250  that's how you wast your talent......1 year 125emx and maximum 2 years emx250 then you're doing...

absolutely right.....ivano van erp 3 years emx125 ...3 years emx250  that's how you wast your talent......1 year 125emx and maximum 2 years emx250 then you're doing it right.......

 

It was Yamaha choice, i read somewhere

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Cortami79 wrote:
So, based on the information shared in this thread, we have basically confirmed the following for next year in the MXGP class right?KTM Group: Coenen...

So, based on the information shared in this thread, we have basically confirmed the following for next year in the MXGP class right?

KTM Group: Coenen, Adamo (KTM) or de Wolf (Husqvarna) – If any of these two wins the title.

Kawasaki Factory Team: Febvre & Jonass

Yamaha Factory Team: Gajser & Vlaanderen

Yamaha JK Racing: Gifting

Honda Factory HRC: Herlings & Vialle

Honda SR Motoblouz: Horgmo & Benistant

Ducati Factory Team: Seewer, Renaux & Bonacorsi — this program will be taken over by Wilvo

Beta Factory: Watson & Koch

Free agents: Coldenhoff, Fernandez, Pancar, Bogers, Geerts, Guadagnini, Van Doninck, Vd Moosdijk, Sterry, Guillod, Forato, Spies, Toendel

Incoming riders into MXGP without confirmed contracts: Prugnieres, Oliver, Elzinga.

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And we have the following basically confirmed in MX2

KTM Group: Sascha Coenen, Laengenfelder, De Wolf (could be MXGP), Adamo (could be MXGP), Everts(?)

Yamaha Factory Team: Reisulis brothers

Triumph Factory MX2: Farres & Mc Lellan

Honda Factory HRC MX2: Lata

Kawasaki Factory MX2: Valin

Ducati Factory MX2: Zanchi – Bedini will take the MX2 Ducati program

Free agents: Valk, Mikula, Braceras, Grau, Walvoort.

 I dont think that Mikula is a free agent. In 2024 he signed 1+1 year deal, TM seems happy with him, so there is no reason to not continue.

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9/3/2025 7:52am
DeStouwer wrote:
Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your...

Indeed. A private Yamaha should suit him, he and his entourage have plenty connections. The moment you sign for teams like Beta, Ducati,.. you know your best days have passed. I know they're labeled as "factoryteams", but only in name. The moment you lose your status of factoryrider, the last years of your career have come.

ksithumper wrote:

Ducati not a factory team? Really?? 

DeStouwer wrote:
Like I said, only in name. Do you honestly think they can compete with any factoryteam from Japan or the KTM-group? Or even Fantic or Triumph?Many...

Like I said, only in name. Do you honestly think they can compete with any factoryteam from Japan or the KTM-group? Or even Fantic or Triumph?

Many came, many failed. Aprilia, CCM, WRM, VOR,.. They were all labeled as "factoryteam", and they all disappeared through the backdoor. Beta is a factoryteam for how long now? Four, five years? Have you noticed any progress at all? As in riders, results, setup, R&D? Those bikes still can't get properly around a sand track. Those kind of teams are the last bus stop for former factoryriders, so to speak.

Ducati will go the same way, despite all the effort. Gajser and Renaux tested the bike and said they didn't want to ride a tractor. It's cool for an Italian brand to have Cairoli as your ambassador, but that's just company propaganda, something Italian brands are very good at. Triumph had Carmichael, Cervantes, Desalle and Tedesco as ambassadors and test riders, and they've worked on that bike for four years before putting it in the world championship. What pays off almost immediately, by signing young promising riders like Haarup, McLellan and Farrés.

Take a look at the riders from Beta and Ducati:

Van Horebeek: factory Kawasaki > factory Yamaha > private Honda > "factory" Beta

Watson: private KTM > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Beta

Lupino: semi-factory Kawasaki > semi-factory Yamaha > private KTM > "factory" Beta

Seewer: factory Suzuki > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Ducati

Guadagnini: factory KTM > factory GasGas > factory Husqvarna > "factory" Ducati

Those are all riders a) during the twilight of their career or b) riders like Guadagnini who's been a factory rider for many years but is showing signs that he has reached his ceiling and will not perform any better anymore. Those are just simple facts.

None of those earlier "failures" had Ducati's capital or their racing pedigree. They may need more time but I'm betting they'll be competitive soon.

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JBone19 wrote:

Elzinga testing the Beta as well right? 

I dunno but that seems also logic, they can choose between a lot of riders.

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rym wrote:
Lets just say that as of today the Ducati bike is a career killer. I cant see Seewer with his results being able to demand a...

Lets just say that as of today the Ducati bike is a career killer. I cant see Seewer with his results being able to demand a big payday if he wanted to move to a different factory team when his contract is up.

A guy like Geerts going to Beta or to Ducati with its current bike makes it impossible to improve his stock at all imo

Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to Factory Team capabilities, I believe that. There is going to be a lot more money behind Ducati than lets say, Beta. I think the biggest problem for Ducati is that they signed Seewer thinking he is a championship contender, which he has not been in quite a while now. Give it another year of building the bike with Vosters and team, then in 2027 I think you will see a Ducati with a real championship contender. 

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JBone19 wrote:

Elzinga testing the Beta as well right? 

MXMattii wrote:

I dunno but that seems also logic, they can choose between a lot of riders.

Good for Elzinga, not sure why Beta would want that though. 

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Renner153 wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to...

Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to Factory Team capabilities, I believe that. There is going to be a lot more money behind Ducati than lets say, Beta. I think the biggest problem for Ducati is that they signed Seewer thinking he is a championship contender, which he has not been in quite a while now. Give it another year of building the bike with Vosters and team, then in 2027 I think you will see a Ducati with a real championship contender. 

I understand the optimism with Vosters being involved, and with the trackrecord of Ducati in Motogp some optimism for MXGP should be there as well. I also dont think Seewer is a championshp contender, but fighting for a point in the sand as they currently are doing is way below what Seewer can do. That bike currently is a dog, and it is a very risky ride to accept when its a short term deal. At least that is my take on it

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Renner153 wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to...

Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to Factory Team capabilities, I believe that. There is going to be a lot more money behind Ducati than lets say, Beta. I think the biggest problem for Ducati is that they signed Seewer thinking he is a championship contender, which he has not been in quite a while now. Give it another year of building the bike with Vosters and team, then in 2027 I think you will see a Ducati with a real championship contender. 

I don’t think Seewet forgot how to ride a bike, he’s not clicking with the Ducati at all. He should never be out of the top 10 on a bike he’s comfortable on, and closer to top 5 when guys are missing. It seems they went backward since the opening rounds when you look at their performances. Something aint right in the Maddi/Ducati camp and I guess everybody is looking ahead for 2026 and a fresh start. Vosters did wonder with Fantic, hopefully Ducati let’s him ”run it his way” mxgp is not motogp.

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I don’t think Seewet forgot how to ride a bike, he’s not clicking with the Ducati at all. He should never be out of the top...

I don’t think Seewet forgot how to ride a bike, he’s not clicking with the Ducati at all. He should never be out of the top 10 on a bike he’s comfortable on, and closer to top 5 when guys are missing. It seems they went backward since the opening rounds when you look at their performances. Something aint right in the Maddi/Ducati camp and I guess everybody is looking ahead for 2026 and a fresh start. Vosters did wonder with Fantic, hopefully Ducati let’s him ”run it his way” mxgp is not motogp.

Didnt sound promising when Cairoli went to US and told Factory Connection got chassis what he wanted all year but factory team didnt get it done. Seems bike has too much motor paired with chassis taken from old Honda that works only some tracks that are open and smooth. Lets see if their 250f works better. 

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Renner153 wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to...

Not sure I agree with this. Seewer is on his way out anyways. He did podium on the Ducati already, Vosters will get the bike to Factory Team capabilities, I believe that. There is going to be a lot more money behind Ducati than lets say, Beta. I think the biggest problem for Ducati is that they signed Seewer thinking he is a championship contender, which he has not been in quite a while now. Give it another year of building the bike with Vosters and team, then in 2027 I think you will see a Ducati with a real championship contender. 

themrtoad wrote:
I don’t think Seewet forgot how to ride a bike, he’s not clicking with the Ducati at all. He should never be out of the top...

I don’t think Seewet forgot how to ride a bike, he’s not clicking with the Ducati at all. He should never be out of the top 10 on a bike he’s comfortable on, and closer to top 5 when guys are missing. It seems they went backward since the opening rounds when you look at their performances. Something aint right in the Maddi/Ducati camp and I guess everybody is looking ahead for 2026 and a fresh start. Vosters did wonder with Fantic, hopefully Ducati let’s him ”run it his way” mxgp is not motogp.

Seewer was a race winner on the Yamaha, , went to Kawasaki and died along with all the others on the green bike, and now is at Ducati and cant get things done. 

He would have been 3rd in the series this year on the blue bike. 

He hasnt forgotten how to ride .

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tek14 wrote:
Didnt sound promising when Cairoli went to US and told Factory Connection got chassis what he wanted all year but factory team didnt get it done...

Didnt sound promising when Cairoli went to US and told Factory Connection got chassis what he wanted all year but factory team didnt get it done. Seems bike has too much motor paired with chassis taken from old Honda that works only some tracks that are open and smooth. Lets see if their 250f works better. 

Their 250 is behind schedule, even Lupino admitted so at the last italian championship this weekend. I actually think it lacks power which is a weird sentence combined with Ducati. Well, Rome wasn’t built in one day so hopefully they come around. Is it still Beddini who’s supposed to run the 250 team? Strange choice, they don’t have a great track record?

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
absolutely right.....ivano van erp 3 years emx125 ...3 years emx250  that's how you wast your talent......1 year 125emx and maximum 2 years emx250 then you're doing...

absolutely right.....ivano van erp 3 years emx125 ...3 years emx250  that's how you wast your talent......1 year 125emx and maximum 2 years emx250 then you're doing it right.......

 

David934 wrote:

It was Yamaha choice, i read somewhere

if that was on yamaha advice.....then it would be nice if they would also support him in mx2

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philG wrote:
Seewer was a race winner on the Yamaha, , went to Kawasaki and died along with all the others on the green bike, and now is...

Seewer was a race winner on the Yamaha, , went to Kawasaki and died along with all the others on the green bike, and now is at Ducati and cant get things done. 

He would have been 3rd in the series this year on the blue bike. 

He hasnt forgotten how to ride .

People really need to stop with the Seewer/Kawi thing. 

He still got 4th in the championship behind the 3 big dogs, won a moto and a couple off podium finishers. 

Thats amazing and beyond great for a guy like Jeremy. 

Im willing to bet he would love to go back to that Kawi, because it was not that bad. 

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philG wrote:
Seewer was a race winner on the Yamaha, , went to Kawasaki and died along with all the others on the green bike, and now is...

Seewer was a race winner on the Yamaha, , went to Kawasaki and died along with all the others on the green bike, and now is at Ducati and cant get things done. 

He would have been 3rd in the series this year on the blue bike. 

He hasnt forgotten how to ride .

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People really need to stop with the Seewer/Kawi thing. He still got 4th in the championship behind the 3 big dogs, won a moto and a couple...

People really need to stop with the Seewer/Kawi thing. 

He still got 4th in the championship behind the 3 big dogs, won a moto and a couple off podium finishers. 

Thats amazing and beyond great for a guy like Jeremy. 

Im willing to bet he would love to go back to that Kawi, because it was not that bad. 

Jeremy is 31 yo this year, so bike must not be issue. 

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ksithumper wrote:

Ducati not a factory team? Really?? 

DeStouwer wrote:
Like I said, only in name. Do you honestly think they can compete with any factoryteam from Japan or the KTM-group? Or even Fantic or Triumph?Many...

Like I said, only in name. Do you honestly think they can compete with any factoryteam from Japan or the KTM-group? Or even Fantic or Triumph?

Many came, many failed. Aprilia, CCM, WRM, VOR,.. They were all labeled as "factoryteam", and they all disappeared through the backdoor. Beta is a factoryteam for how long now? Four, five years? Have you noticed any progress at all? As in riders, results, setup, R&D? Those bikes still can't get properly around a sand track. Those kind of teams are the last bus stop for former factoryriders, so to speak.

Ducati will go the same way, despite all the effort. Gajser and Renaux tested the bike and said they didn't want to ride a tractor. It's cool for an Italian brand to have Cairoli as your ambassador, but that's just company propaganda, something Italian brands are very good at. Triumph had Carmichael, Cervantes, Desalle and Tedesco as ambassadors and test riders, and they've worked on that bike for four years before putting it in the world championship. What pays off almost immediately, by signing young promising riders like Haarup, McLellan and Farrés.

Take a look at the riders from Beta and Ducati:

Van Horebeek: factory Kawasaki > factory Yamaha > private Honda > "factory" Beta

Watson: private KTM > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Beta

Lupino: semi-factory Kawasaki > semi-factory Yamaha > private KTM > "factory" Beta

Seewer: factory Suzuki > factory Yamaha > factory Kawasaki > "factory" Ducati

Guadagnini: factory KTM > factory GasGas > factory Husqvarna > "factory" Ducati

Those are all riders a) during the twilight of their career or b) riders like Guadagnini who's been a factory rider for many years but is showing signs that he has reached his ceiling and will not perform any better anymore. Those are just simple facts.

None of those earlier "failures" had Ducati's capital or their racing pedigree. They may need more time but I'm betting they'll be competitive soon.

Valid point, but I think it's a bit naive to assume Ducati would put as much effort (and money) in MXGP as they do in MotoGP. To begin with, they are two very different sports, so bike development and racing pedigree as you call it are in no way comparable. MotoGP is the flagship of motorsports, so that branch will always get the preference over MXGP when push comes to shove. Look at Suzuki. They pulled out all sponsorship and development of MXGP to get the struggling MotoGP team out of the slump, only to pull the plug out of MotoGP aswell a few years later. Now both sports don't have a factory team anymore.

Aprilia is a successfull OEM in MotoGP aswell, and they meant nothing during those few years they had a "factory team" in MXGP.

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Maxime Renaux to Ducati stamp it! 

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