And already they are calling for "gun control" AKA gun bans

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Sit back and wait for a solution then?

Hopefully one day a solution can be found…

agn5008 wrote:
No, I didn’t say I agree with any of it. Just saying that that’s the reality of the situation. Maybe retired law enforcement and/or veterans at...

No, I didn’t say I agree with any of it. Just saying that that’s the reality of the situation. Maybe retired law enforcement and/or veterans at all schools could be a start? Like I said, I don’t know what a good solution is. But the things people argue over (banning guns and longer background checks) absolutely will not solve the problem. 

People seem to ignore the underlying issue though. Every single person who’s ever committed a mass murder like this is absolutely 100% fucked in the head. Whether they’re trans, black, white, male, female, or something in between. If you do something like this you have serious mental issues. A gun didn’t give that person the mental issue. Something, I don’t know what (probably lots of different reasons) completely messed that person up. 

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The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with...

The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with guns…….

Of course that’s only applicable if we are lumping everyone in a defined group as guilty of all the offenses committed by any person in that group, like what we’re seeing in this thread. 

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

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Hate to say it but Our society in general is sick. Social media and talk shows dominate so much of our time and generally there’s nothing positive in any of them. You can’t have candid discussions about science, health, or politics without personal attacks and negatively. Our leaders are toxic and only shine light on the negative. You have to wonder what we’re exposing our kids growing minds to. Sad thing is, our quality of life is at an all time high in comparison to anytime in history. For time being at least, we’re not in a world war or have major famine and disease.  I’m just as guilty as the next in this regard but things like this make me look inward maybe more than I should.  You can take away guns all you want but it won’t make a difference unless we start respecting each other again and appreciate life. Just my two cents. 

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Start? I think we’re there.For many, the cost of speaking up is too high. I’m not going to judge anyone else for that.My initial point was...

Start? I think we’re there.

For many, the cost of speaking up is too high. I’m not going to judge anyone else for that.

My initial point was that given time, you might see people from within the trans community speaking up - people who regret their choices and are upset that they were allowed to make them at too young an age. Those voices would carry much more weight than yours or mine. 

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I was just trying to sound neutral but yes, I think we’re already there as well lolyour statement that you hope the trans community will speak...

I was just trying to sound neutral but yes, I think we’re already there as well lol


your statement that you hope the trans community will speak up.. we can only hope. But there’s been plenty of pushback over the last 20 years and the issue has only become more prevalent. Western governments are pushing this ideology through existing institutions. Public schools yes, but mostly through universities where parents are less likely to intervene and where the next generation public school teachers become indoctrinated. This is a hierarchical and coordinated effort. 


Your statement “For many, the cost of speaking up is too high. I’m not going to judge anyone else for that”, this is what I would like to discuss… You and I have gone tit for tat on this subject often and this particular statement highlights my point in regards to people being coerced with the threat of destitution and social ostracism to do the wrong thing. In this instance, not speaking up and not voicing the objective truth, is the wrong thing to do. People (in your experience, academics) are being rewarded (not fired, not ostracized) for doing the wrong thing (not speaking objective truths). This is allowing the problem to fester and spread and grow. 
 

Most people most of the time will do the right thing. But as so often the case in our culture and society, doing wrong is what is economically rewarding. Doing the right thing doesn’t pay! This is a problem, and when sincerely recognized the root cause of all social, economic, and environmental issues become plain as day  

 

There are some who don’t agree with the trans ideology but I don’t mean to covey that there’s a whole bunch of academics keeping silent out of fear. Most are on board with it - at least for the most part. Even if you’re not on board, you may not have a well worked out idea of what exactly you think about these issues. That’s ok. Not everyone is obligated to have an opinion on this. 

For those who aren’t on board but don’t say anything for fear of reprisal, it’s got little if anything to do with economic repercussions. You work very hard to get where you are if you’re an academic. A PhD is a huge commitment - in the humanities, only about half complete it, and an even smaller proportion get a tenure track position. By securing an academic position you’ve gained entrance into a way of life that many aspire to but don’t achieve. The money is just a bonus. Most would do it for free if they could afford to. You don’t get to that point if you don’t love what you’re doing. The last thing most want is to throw it away - especially in a way that will incite threats and harassment. There’s plenty of ways to make money but few offer the ability to spend your time researching and teaching topics that you find intrinsically interesting. I’m not going to judge anyone for that. 

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No, I didn’t say I agree with any of it. Just saying that that’s the reality of the situation. Maybe retired law enforcement and/or veterans at...

No, I didn’t say I agree with any of it. Just saying that that’s the reality of the situation. Maybe retired law enforcement and/or veterans at all schools could be a start? Like I said, I don’t know what a good solution is. But the things people argue over (banning guns and longer background checks) absolutely will not solve the problem. 

People seem to ignore the underlying issue though. Every single person who’s ever committed a mass murder like this is absolutely 100% fucked in the head. Whether they’re trans, black, white, male, female, or something in between. If you do something like this you have serious mental issues. A gun didn’t give that person the mental issue. Something, I don’t know what (probably lots of different reasons) completely messed that person up. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with...

The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with guns…….

Of course that’s only applicable if we are lumping everyone in a defined group as guilty of all the offenses committed by any person in that group, like what we’re seeing in this thread. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just...

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with...

The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with guns…….

Of course that’s only applicable if we are lumping everyone in a defined group as guilty of all the offenses committed by any person in that group, like what we’re seeing in this thread. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just...

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

Personally, I highly doubt any children are deciding this totally on their own. They’ve been led into it by teachers, and /or their sick parents. 
 
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Or also be like their peers who have been coerced into it. 

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Why should my tax money pay for this when these organisations don't even pay taxes themselves?

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The mayor of this crappy city I work in:

While police didn't say Westman was transgender, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey condemned anyone taking attention away from the victims.

"Anybody who is using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity. We should not be operating out of a place of hate for anyone. We should be operating out of a place of love for kids. Kids died today. This needs to be about them," Frey said.

Mpls - trans

Nashville Christian - trans

Lakewood Church - trans

Colorado Springs - non-binary

Denver - trans

 

I would say no, lets not take the trans community to the stake, but lets not pretend there isn't a REAL connection here!?!?!

 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with...

The veteran part is a little bit problematic if we are looking for groups of people whose members never seem to commit acts of violence with guns…….

Of course that’s only applicable if we are lumping everyone in a defined group as guilty of all the offenses committed by any person in that group, like what we’re seeing in this thread. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just...

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

Funny I should read this now. I was just having a discussion with someone about "trans people and he told me "he has no problem with it, followed with a do you?"

Yes, yes I do. I responded with let's take a 14 year old kid. The kid is not sure who he is attracted to. Ok, go experiment. In 5 years if you think you're still attracted to males, fine, go live your best life. If you think you made a mistake, you can start dating women and go live your best life. However, that same 14 year old going trans, is now going to change his body through chemicals and surgery that there is no coming back from that. At 14 years old, you have not lived long enough to have the capacity to change your body like that and not be able to come back from it. And likely, it was not your decision but counseled to you. At 14 years old, you have no concept to even understand what it's like even if someone tells you, how you will live and feel at 35 years old. The love you may know for a spouse that you'd give you life for. Or what it takes to take care for a baby. Or worry how you're going to pay the mortgage. You can't understand any of that at 14 years old. How many kids start college and have NO idea what they want to do?

"Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it?"

Yes, 100% kids are pushed into it. Even by parents that want to be able to go to the coffee shop and brag how they are "listening" to their kid and affirming their "gender". Because they want the attention of the other trendy parents. Kids want to be kids, they just want to have fun. If you have a little boy and he sees a group of girls over there having fun. He wants to go over and have fun. Doesn't give a shit that they are girls, just that they are having fun and he wants to be a part of having fun. Parents today, my kid likes girl things, he must be a girl.

Makes my head explode. My son got his first PW50 at 5 years old. His little sister, 3 years younger, you know what she did? Played in the mud puddles. Why, because it looked like fun what her brother was doing. did she eventually find other things that were fun? Yes, but for a long time she was affectionately called the mud princess. that's just an example.

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Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just...

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

Gworm wrote:
Personally, I highly doubt any children are deciding this totally on their own. They’ve been led into it by teachers, and /or their sick parents.  Edit:Or also...

Personally, I highly doubt any children are deciding this totally on their own. They’ve been led into it by teachers, and /or their sick parents. 
 
Edit:

Or also be like their peers who have been coerced into it. 

Putting the idea in children’s minds that if they don’t feel “normal” or whatever else that maybe they’re misgendered - that’s just irresponsible. What kid doesn’t feel a bit awkward or abnormal at some point? The real question is:  Why do kids need to think about any of this at all? Just teach them to be nice to everyone and leave it at that. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just...

Are we lumping then in or are they jumping in the fry pan on their own? I think it's more the latter. And we are just observing the statistics of what is happening. It's kind of weird even you have to admit.

Kid is unhappy. Counselor tells kid, "you're normal but you have to take these meds and chop off your wiener.

Kid, but if I'm normal. why do I have to take meds and chop of my wiener? Counselor, so you can be normal.

Kid, but you said I already am normal?

MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Funny I should read this now. I was just having a discussion with someone about "trans people and he told me "he has no problem with...

Funny I should read this now. I was just having a discussion with someone about "trans people and he told me "he has no problem with it, followed with a do you?"

Yes, yes I do. I responded with let's take a 14 year old kid. The kid is not sure who he is attracted to. Ok, go experiment. In 5 years if you think you're still attracted to males, fine, go live your best life. If you think you made a mistake, you can start dating women and go live your best life. However, that same 14 year old going trans, is now going to change his body through chemicals and surgery that there is no coming back from that. At 14 years old, you have not lived long enough to have the capacity to change your body like that and not be able to come back from it. And likely, it was not your decision but counseled to you. At 14 years old, you have no concept to even understand what it's like even if someone tells you, how you will live and feel at 35 years old. The love you may know for a spouse that you'd give you life for. Or what it takes to take care for a baby. Or worry how you're going to pay the mortgage. You can't understand any of that at 14 years old. How many kids start college and have NO idea what they want to do?

"Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it?"

Yes, 100% kids are pushed into it. Even by parents that want to be able to go to the coffee shop and brag how they are "listening" to their kid and affirming their "gender". Because they want the attention of the other trendy parents. Kids want to be kids, they just want to have fun. If you have a little boy and he sees a group of girls over there having fun. He wants to go over and have fun. Doesn't give a shit that they are girls, just that they are having fun and he wants to be a part of having fun. Parents today, my kid likes girl things, he must be a girl.

Makes my head explode. My son got his first PW50 at 5 years old. His little sister, 3 years younger, you know what she did? Played in the mud puddles. Why, because it looked like fun what her brother was doing. did she eventually find other things that were fun? Yes, but for a long time she was affectionately called the mud princess. that's just an example.

My incredulous response isn’t meant to question you. It’s just astonishment that that’s even a possibility. I really need to get out more. Apparently, I have no idea what is happening in the world. 

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MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Funny I should read this now. I was just having a discussion with someone about "trans people and he told me "he has no problem with...

Funny I should read this now. I was just having a discussion with someone about "trans people and he told me "he has no problem with it, followed with a do you?"

Yes, yes I do. I responded with let's take a 14 year old kid. The kid is not sure who he is attracted to. Ok, go experiment. In 5 years if you think you're still attracted to males, fine, go live your best life. If you think you made a mistake, you can start dating women and go live your best life. However, that same 14 year old going trans, is now going to change his body through chemicals and surgery that there is no coming back from that. At 14 years old, you have not lived long enough to have the capacity to change your body like that and not be able to come back from it. And likely, it was not your decision but counseled to you. At 14 years old, you have no concept to even understand what it's like even if someone tells you, how you will live and feel at 35 years old. The love you may know for a spouse that you'd give you life for. Or what it takes to take care for a baby. Or worry how you're going to pay the mortgage. You can't understand any of that at 14 years old. How many kids start college and have NO idea what they want to do?

"Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it?"

Yes, 100% kids are pushed into it. Even by parents that want to be able to go to the coffee shop and brag how they are "listening" to their kid and affirming their "gender". Because they want the attention of the other trendy parents. Kids want to be kids, they just want to have fun. If you have a little boy and he sees a group of girls over there having fun. He wants to go over and have fun. Doesn't give a shit that they are girls, just that they are having fun and he wants to be a part of having fun. Parents today, my kid likes girl things, he must be a girl.

Makes my head explode. My son got his first PW50 at 5 years old. His little sister, 3 years younger, you know what she did? Played in the mud puddles. Why, because it looked like fun what her brother was doing. did she eventually find other things that were fun? Yes, but for a long time she was affectionately called the mud princess. that's just an example.

MPJC wrote:
My incredulous response isn’t meant to question you. It’s just astonishment that that’s even a possibility. I really need to get out more. Apparently, I have...

My incredulous response isn’t meant to question you. It’s just astonishment that that’s even a possibility. I really need to get out more. Apparently, I have no idea what is happening in the world. 

I wouldn't label it as an "incredulous response" as much as I would just call it discussion.

This whole topic is for sure the beginning stages of  puzzle that we have no idea what the picture will look like when complete.

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MPJC wrote:
I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding...

I don’t think that children should be allowed to transition because they don’t have the ability to consent in a fully informed way with adequate understanding. Are you suggesting that children with no interest in transitioning are being pressured or even coerced into it? I’d find that hard to believe. But if it does happen, surely it’s criminal and should be punished as such. That would be mind bogglingly stupid and unethical. 

Gworm wrote:
Personally, I highly doubt any children are deciding this totally on their own. They’ve been led into it by teachers, and /or their sick parents.  Edit:Or also...

Personally, I highly doubt any children are deciding this totally on their own. They’ve been led into it by teachers, and /or their sick parents. 
 
Edit:

Or also be like their peers who have been coerced into it. 

MPJC wrote:
Putting the idea in children’s minds that if they don’t feel “normal” or whatever else that maybe they’re misgendered - that’s just irresponsible. What kid doesn’t...

Putting the idea in children’s minds that if they don’t feel “normal” or whatever else that maybe they’re misgendered - that’s just irresponsible. What kid doesn’t feel a bit awkward or abnormal at some point? The real question is:  Why do kids need to think about any of this at all? Just teach them to be nice to everyone and leave it at that. 

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per NBC  ...."there was no previous indication that Robin Westman, who was a transgender woman, suffered from mental illness"

holy shit, bro

 

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Rosie O’Donnell is basically ABC News.
 

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Why should my tax money pay for this when these organisations don't even pay taxes themselves?

Why should my tax money pay for this when these organisations don't even pay taxes themselves?

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Wait until you find out which group gets a majority of that funding. They’re a rather tiny portion of the global population. 

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Remember when yhe left called for gun control after Trump got shot???


Me neither. 

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Remember when yhe left called for gun control after Trump got shot???


Me neither. 

Edited for spelling

Not sure why you got downvoted for this. It is the honest truth, and shows the hypocrisy from everyone who is vocal now 

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Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is a beautiful blue today and they'd down vote it and inevitably follow up with, "you're wrong, there was a white cloud"

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TheGreat
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TheGreat 9/2/2025 6:52am
9/2/2025 6:52am
ToolMaker wrote:
Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is...

Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is a beautiful blue today and they'd down vote it and inevitably follow up with, "you're wrong, there was a white cloud"

TM

Hey look another conservative making a situation up in their head and getting angry about it

So fucking weird 

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ToolMaker 9/2/2025 7:01am
9/2/2025 7:01am
ToolMaker wrote:
Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is...

Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is a beautiful blue today and they'd down vote it and inevitably follow up with, "you're wrong, there was a white cloud"

TM

TheGreat wrote:

Hey look another conservative making a situation up in their head and getting angry about it

So fucking weird 

You give yourself way too much credit in your own little head to think anything you could do would make me angry. Entertained? Maybe. Angry, LOL

TM

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TheGreat
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TheGreat 9/2/2025 7:03am
9/2/2025 7:03am
ToolMaker wrote:
Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is...

Anyone with a conservative slant has a little group of trolls that follow them and down vote everything they post. You could post the sky is a beautiful blue today and they'd down vote it and inevitably follow up with, "you're wrong, there was a white cloud"

TM

TheGreat wrote:

Hey look another conservative making a situation up in their head and getting angry about it

So fucking weird 

ToolMaker wrote:

You give yourself way too much credit in your own little head to think anything you could do would make me angry. Entertained? Maybe. Angry, LOL

TM

LOL

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30minmotos
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30minmotos 9/2/2025 7:08am
9/2/2025 7:08am

Dude it’s so wild seeing the liberal and conservative arguments back and forth. You guys are all getting played and you think you know better. You think you’re right.


You’re both pawns.

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ToolMaker 9/2/2025 7:29am
9/2/2025 7:29am
30minmotos wrote:
Dude it’s so wild seeing the liberal and conservative arguments back and forth. You guys are all getting played and you think you know better. You...

Dude it’s so wild seeing the liberal and conservative arguments back and forth. You guys are all getting played and you think you know better. You think you’re right.


You’re both pawns.

We're all pawns, but if you play the game right, a pawn sometimes takes out a rook, a knight, a bishop,... but when you give up, you've lost without the other side even needing to out maneuver you.

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Kenny Banyan
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Kenny Banyan 9/2/2025 8:30am
9/2/2025 8:30am

People getting upset over being down voted is kinda funny.😂

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ToolMaker 9/2/2025 9:18am
9/2/2025 9:18am
Kenny Banyan wrote:

People getting upset over being down voted is kinda funny.😂

I like, the more down votes I get, the closer to the target.

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TheGreat
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TheGreat 9/2/2025 9:21am
9/2/2025 9:21am
Kenny Banyan wrote:

People getting upset over being down voted is kinda funny.😂

hey look some common ground

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early
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early 9/2/2025 9:22am
9/2/2025 9:22am

Toolmaker going full Magoofan 

YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP 😜

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30minmotos
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30minmotos 9/2/2025 4:12pm
9/2/2025 4:12pm
30minmotos wrote:
Dude it’s so wild seeing the liberal and conservative arguments back and forth. You guys are all getting played and you think you know better. You...

Dude it’s so wild seeing the liberal and conservative arguments back and forth. You guys are all getting played and you think you know better. You think you’re right.


You’re both pawns.

ToolMaker wrote:
We're all pawns, but if you play the game right, a pawn sometimes takes out a rook, a knight, a bishop,... but when you give up...

We're all pawns, but if you play the game right, a pawn sometimes takes out a rook, a knight, a bishop,... but when you give up, you've lost without the other side even needing to out maneuver you.

Or you’re falling right for their trap by blaming the other side and fighting amongst ourselves while they make out like bandits.


 

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