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8/30/2025 9:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2025 9:26pm
I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

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You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

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I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

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You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

I think they need him for SMX then they cut ties.

After listening to ML, Lewis, Matthes, JT, Weege, AC and JB show.

Monster is the hold up with a personal deal.

They reached out to Savatcy for 26 and he said no.

I would of benched him and put a few privateers on it for SMX.

I bet he has issues with the KTM production frame and fading shock issues.

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8/30/2025 9:32pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2025 9:35pm
Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should...

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

Mutual parting of ways is the most likely outcome I agree.  I thought ML said something about if Kawi fired him they could owe some compensation but maybe I mis-understood or misrepresented. 

what a weird deal.

As an aside the only reputational damage I see is to Prado 😂 sorry you tee’d it up perfectly. 

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I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

soggy wrote:
You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

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I think they need him for SMX then they cut ties.After listening to ML, Lewis, Matthes, JT, Weege, AC and JB show.Monster is the hold up...

I think they need him for SMX then they cut ties.

After listening to ML, Lewis, Matthes, JT, Weege, AC and JB show.

Monster is the hold up with a personal deal.

They reached out to Savatcy for 26 and he said no.

I would of benched him and put a few privateers on it for SMX.

I bet he has issues with the KTM production frame and fading shock issues.

Savatgy kept ACs seat warm for the 2019 season at Kawi and filled in for them for an outdoor season, now they’re coming back for thirds? lol offer him a 2 year deal and he’ll take it. 

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They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything...

They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything to Prado at the separation. 

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That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now...

That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now. He hasn’t breached his contract. If they fire without cause they would have to pay some of his remaining contract. 

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

These comments are interesting given one of Prados latest IG posts. He stated he wasn't blaming the bike or the team in the previous post - and he did not directly blame the bike. It could however be interpreted it was the bike. I haven't followed this to closely, but I don't think he has directly rubbished the bike. 

How would a lawyer approach it? Lawyers arguing for Kawi claim accumulative comments amount to discrediting it?

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Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.Great riders will win on whatever they line...

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

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There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to...

There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to find him fighting for top 3's almost immediately.

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I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on...

I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on the Kawi, I think the same expectation should be on the world champ outdoors on the Kawi. 

I concur, my comment was more towards quadzrule…

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Press516 wrote:
We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the...

We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

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Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.Great riders will win on whatever they line...

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

wasn't sexton on the honda before,which has the alloy frame, so maybe hes more familiar with that type of frame and MAYBE will have a head start in the way the bike feels and  handles 

compared to prado, who never has ridden the alloy frame , im not making excuses for prado, as other pros have gone from one to the other ok, 

who knows 

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8/31/2025 4:24am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2025 4:29am
Press516 wrote:
There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to...

There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to find him fighting for top 3's almost immediately.

ohh_454 wrote:
I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on...

I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on the Kawi, I think the same expectation should be on the world champ outdoors on the Kawi. 

Press516 wrote:

I concur, my comment was more towards quadzrule…

Just to clarify, my comment was a dig at Prado’s level of effort.  I have no doubt that Chase (or any former champion) should have no problem putting the bike on the podium.  Prado’s results reflect his level of effort, although I’m also confident that he underestimated the level of competition in AMA racing.

I don’t believe we’ll ever see him contend for a SX championship no matter what bike they put him on.  I could be wrong, but I also doubt that he’ll have anything for Jett in AMA motocross next year no matter what he’s riding.

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That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now...

That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now. He hasn’t breached his contract. If they fire without cause they would have to pay some of his remaining contract. 

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

689 wrote:
These comments are interesting given one of Prados latest IG posts. He stated he wasn't blaming the bike or the team in the previous post -...

These comments are interesting given one of Prados latest IG posts. He stated he wasn't blaming the bike or the team in the previous post - and he did not directly blame the bike. It could however be interpreted it was the bike. I haven't followed this to closely, but I don't think he has directly rubbished the bike. 

How would a lawyer approach it? Lawyers arguing for Kawi claim accumulative comments amount to discrediting it?

He edited his post to say that after, his lawyer probably told him to take it down or edit ASAP

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ohh_454 wrote:
I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on...

I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on the Kawi, I think the same expectation should be on the world champ outdoors on the Kawi. 

Press516 wrote:

I concur, my comment was more towards quadzrule…

Just to clarify, my comment was a dig at Prado’s level of effort.  I have no doubt that Chase (or any former champion) should have no...

Just to clarify, my comment was a dig at Prado’s level of effort.  I have no doubt that Chase (or any former champion) should have no problem putting the bike on the podium.  Prado’s results reflect his level of effort, although I’m also confident that he underestimated the level of competition in AMA racing.

I don’t believe we’ll ever see him contend for a SX championship no matter what bike they put him on.  I could be wrong, but I also doubt that he’ll have anything for Jett in AMA motocross next year no matter what he’s riding.

Got it.  I read, if Sexton can’t… it’s the bike.

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I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

soggy wrote:
You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should...

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

I would also think that Kawi could cite his purposeful sandbagging at the final round’s qualifying, if they could prove it was on purpose. 

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689 wrote:
These comments are interesting given one of Prados latest IG posts. He stated he wasn't blaming the bike or the team in the previous post -...

These comments are interesting given one of Prados latest IG posts. He stated he wasn't blaming the bike or the team in the previous post - and he did not directly blame the bike. It could however be interpreted it was the bike. I haven't followed this to closely, but I don't think he has directly rubbished the bike. 

How would a lawyer approach it? Lawyers arguing for Kawi claim accumulative comments amount to discrediting it?

I read that the lawyers made him do that.

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Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders who have been racing SX for years have a hard time completing a SX season uninjured, I think we can all agree it is going to be difficult for Prado to do. I hope it doesn't lead to him bitching about the team and bike when he is on KTM. We can all see what lead to this season for him (thanks for the great read ML) injuries, new bike, new team, new to SX, new food, new country, new competition, new tracks, it is all understandable. But Prado doesn't even hint at those problems, just that the bike is unsafe, and he quits mid moto many times. I hope we get a different story next year, it is going to be tough.

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I think that Kawasaki ought to release a Prado Edition... except it will only have two gears.

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The sad thing is he has proven to be top 5-10 placer if he tries. I think most reasonable people would think that was OK considering the circumstances.

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You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should...

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

PNWMXer wrote:

I would also think that Kawi could cite his purposeful sandbagging at the final round’s qualifying, if they could prove it was on purpose. 

I’d think this would be impossible to prove. 
“I’m not feeling well” “I’ve had a bug for the last 24hrs” would cover it. 

Prove otherwise..🤷‍♀️

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I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

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You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking...

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should...

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

Playing Devil’s advocate… 

What if?? 

We don’t know what conversations have gone on behind closed doors. 

If his contract says “Taylor made bike built to suit your every desire”

Prado sends an e-Mail saying “I need this, this, this & this..”

Kawi reply “we won’t do that”

If Prado has got evidence of this, what then??

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P6 overall seems pretty good for what I would have guessed. I'm not sure I saw him in the top-6 at the finish of more than a moto or two. 

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Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should...

Reputational damage. This is obviously a guess, however I would bet a large some of money the contract has something along those lines. The contract should have something about conduct towards a sponsor(in this case kawi). 

I also do not think Prado would pursue anything if fired. He and his legal team would know any sort of positive outcome for him is 1.) a long shot 2.) costly.  If he is fired I would imagine he quietly(in the legal sense) goes to ktm and you don’t hear much. 

I’ve watched the videos but I don’t recall any source saying the separation would be anything other than mutual. I would imagine Kawi would prefer he quit so they could recoup some money but Kawaski would have significantly more protection than Jorge in any legal battle based off contractual language. I can guarantee that without seeing the contract.

PNWMXer wrote:

I would also think that Kawi could cite his purposeful sandbagging at the final round’s qualifying, if they could prove it was on purpose. 

I’d think this would be impossible to prove. 
“I’m not feeling well” “I’ve had a bug for the last 24hrs” would cover it. 

Prove otherwise..🤷‍♀️

He just needs to go with the tried and true - banged up or Epstein Barr...

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Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders...

Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders who have been racing SX for years have a hard time completing a SX season uninjured, I think we can all agree it is going to be difficult for Prado to do. I hope it doesn't lead to him bitching about the team and bike when he is on KTM. We can all see what lead to this season for him (thanks for the great read ML) injuries, new bike, new team, new to SX, new food, new country, new competition, new tracks, it is all understandable. But Prado doesn't even hint at those problems, just that the bike is unsafe, and he quits mid moto many times. I hope we get a different story next year, it is going to be tough.

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it falls primarily on the riders shoulders.

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Kawaski is a multi-national, multi-billion-dollar company, who advertises ATVs during the Super Bowl. They could have afforded to shit can Prado before this became a dumpster...

Kawaski is a multi-national, multi-billion-dollar company, who advertises ATVs during the Super Bowl. They could have afforded to shit can Prado before this became a dumpster fire and should have. Now with all this drama it leads to the whole bike/ride/team conversation/narrative, that Kawasaki should have avoided at all costs. Imagine Sexton struggles next year, or Prado wins, however unlikely this would be amazingly bad press for Kawasaki. In the long run Prado has cost Kawasaki far more than his salary, for years now people (I am not stating me or anyone reading this, just generally some of the public) will associate this episode with Kawasaki regardless of any success Kawasaki has and will look to any setbacks Kawasaki has in relation to this episode. Allow me to re-explain to prevent misunderstandings, I myself realize this situation is far more complicated, but even if 10% of viewers of MX can misconstrue these events to put the brand Kawasaki in a very bad light that is hundreds of thousands of people. What has happened with this rider is very bad press for any international company's image. Does anybody in their wildest imaginations believe Chevrolet, Trek, CanAm, Caterpillar, etc. would continue to have a company spokesperson or representative who states their products are unsafe?

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Race teams have budgets. Just because Kawasaki it’s self is a massive corporation doesn’t mean the race team has unlimited budgets. People close to the situation that...

Race teams have budgets. Just because Kawasaki it’s self is a massive corporation doesn’t mean the race team has unlimited budgets. 

People close to the situation that know more then us have decided not to fire him, yet. 

This controversy if you want to call it that is so in the weeds most fans aren’t really that invested in it(Theres like 20 posters in this thread, it’s not an accurate representation of overall sentiment, and most people I’d wager just don’t really care). If they cut him a check to get out of the contract that will be millions of dollars.  And they’d still have to look for another rider. 
 

If Prado gets on the Austrian bike and performs better good for him and his career(he probably will because his mind will clearly be in a better place).  I’m not sure how damaging it would be to Kawi, they are hiring sexton. If he comes out and beats Prado like he usually does that should negate all the negatives about Prado leaving according to the logic being used. 

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I don't understand your argument, my point was Kawasaki should have ended this as soon as they could. Is your point that I am mistaken and...

I don't understand your argument, my point was Kawasaki should have ended this as soon as they could. Is your point that I am mistaken and Kawasaki should prolong this public drama? Honest question.

It does make me think there is something else going on.

It seems difficult to accept that Kawasaki signed a contract that didn’t give them an out if the rider was not performing the way Prado has been - not just below par results but publicly insinuating major bike issues and obviously tanking qualifying at Budds.

One explanation of course is that there really is some as-yet unconfirmed issue with Kawasaki and the bike.  Now that doesn’t excuse much of Prado’s behavior but it may explain it and why Kawasaki has been totally silent to date.

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Crossup wrote:

I think that Kawasaki ought to release a Prado Edition... except it will only have two gears.

6th and reverse?

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Herr Lich wrote:

He just needs to go with the tried and true - banged up or Epstein Barr...

Epstein Bar is a old school man. Its mysterious "health issues" now. Get with it. 

If he was a 250 PC kawi rider he could've said he had a mysterious "stomach bug"

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8/31/2025 8:22pm
Herr Lich wrote:

He just needs to go with the tried and true - banged up or Epstein Barr...

dingaling wrote:
Epstein Bar is a old school man. Its mysterious "health issues" now. Get with it. If he was a 250 PC kawi rider he could've said he...

Epstein Bar is a old school man. Its mysterious "health issues" now. Get with it. 

If he was a 250 PC kawi rider he could've said he had a mysterious "stomach bug"

Yes, but if they decide to reveal what the 'health issue' is, it will be Epstein Barr or banged up. Moto 'Media': "What's the cause of your stomach bug?

Rider: "Epstein Barr, ah, also, a bit banged up."

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Press516 wrote:
There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to...

There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to find him fighting for top 3's almost immediately.

ohh_454 wrote:
I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on...

I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on the Kawi, I think the same expectation should be on the world champ outdoors on the Kawi. 

Press516 wrote:

I concur, my comment was more towards quadzrule…

Yaa I know, I was saying that’s what I meant Quadzrules was saying. 

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Falcon wrote:
P6 overall seems pretty good for what I would have guessed. I'm not sure I saw him in the top-6 at the finish of more than...

P6 overall seems pretty good for what I would have guessed. I'm not sure I saw him in the top-6 at the finish of more than a moto or two. 

6 in the standings with an average moto finish of 10-11 is not a super stat.😅

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Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders...

Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders who have been racing SX for years have a hard time completing a SX season uninjured, I think we can all agree it is going to be difficult for Prado to do. I hope it doesn't lead to him bitching about the team and bike when he is on KTM. We can all see what lead to this season for him (thanks for the great read ML) injuries, new bike, new team, new to SX, new food, new country, new competition, new tracks, it is all understandable. But Prado doesn't even hint at those problems, just that the bike is unsafe, and he quits mid moto many times. I hope we get a different story next year, it is going to be tough.

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it...

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it falls primarily on the riders shoulders.

I do not disagree, but he never even mentions those circumstances.

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Herr Lich wrote:

He just needs to go with the tried and true - banged up or Epstein Barr...

dingaling wrote:
Epstein Bar is a old school man. Its mysterious "health issues" now. Get with it. If he was a 250 PC kawi rider he could've said he...

Epstein Bar is a old school man. Its mysterious "health issues" now. Get with it. 

If he was a 250 PC kawi rider he could've said he had a mysterious "stomach bug"

Herr Lich wrote:
Yes, but if they decide to reveal what the 'health issue' is, it will be Epstein Barr or banged up. Moto 'Media': "What's the cause of...

Yes, but if they decide to reveal what the 'health issue' is, it will be Epstein Barr or banged up. Moto 'Media': "What's the cause of your stomach bug?

Rider: "Epstein Barr, ah, also, a bit banged up."

You are insufferable. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders...

Even if Prado adapts to the production based KTM, he has to get through the SX season healthy to make the nationals. Seeing how many riders who have been racing SX for years have a hard time completing a SX season uninjured, I think we can all agree it is going to be difficult for Prado to do. I hope it doesn't lead to him bitching about the team and bike when he is on KTM. We can all see what lead to this season for him (thanks for the great read ML) injuries, new bike, new team, new to SX, new food, new country, new competition, new tracks, it is all understandable. But Prado doesn't even hint at those problems, just that the bike is unsafe, and he quits mid moto many times. I hope we get a different story next year, it is going to be tough.

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it...

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it falls primarily on the riders shoulders.

Spoonguy wrote:

I do not disagree, but he never even mentions those circumstances.

😂 You did though….

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Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it...

Even with all those reasons listed, it still doesn’t add up to a complete collapse by a multi time word champion. This is unprecedented and it falls primarily on the riders shoulders.

Spoonguy wrote:

I do not disagree, but he never even mentions those circumstances.

😂 You did though….

What’s your point?

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