Jorge Prado "It was a very tough season to say the least. Cruising around every single race..."

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

The current gen bike has gotten plenty of podiums in SX and Anderson got on the podium outdoors and was top 5 plenty of times. He seemed to do fine on it…..

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8/29/2025 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2025 8:21pm
Completely agree. Kawasaki need to pray that they have success next year. We know how sensitive Chase can be- if he speaks bad about the KX, it’ll...

Completely agree. Kawasaki need to pray that they have success next year. 

We know how sensitive Chase can be- if he speaks bad about the KX, it’ll be a long road to recover it for the green team. 

Ac couldn’t keep it upright.
JA did nothing on it. 
Prado did nothing on it. 

If Chase can’t win on it like he could the Honda & the Pumpkin, then it’s f*cked.

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Anderson won more races on the kawi than he did on the husky the year he won his title.

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Anderson was an absolute freak in 2022 for sure, unfortunately for him he had to go up against the best version of Tomac. Still, there was...

Anderson was an absolute freak in 2022 for sure, unfortunately for him he had to go up against the best version of Tomac. Still, there was nobody even close to them

And he did stupid shit on the track again, beefing with other riders. Apart from his championship year he was often his own worst enemy. Listen to any of the premier class champions on this issue. You can't afford to be messing with other riders all the time.

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Flatliner wrote:

Anderson won more races on the kawi than he did on the husky the year he won his title.

Mavetism wrote:
Anderson was an absolute freak in 2022 for sure, unfortunately for him he had to go up against the best version of Tomac. Still, there was...

Anderson was an absolute freak in 2022 for sure, unfortunately for him he had to go up against the best version of Tomac. Still, there was nobody even close to them

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And he did stupid shit on the track again, beefing with other riders. Apart from his championship year he was often his own worst enemy. Listen...

And he did stupid shit on the track again, beefing with other riders. Apart from his championship year he was often his own worst enemy. Listen to any of the premier class champions on this issue. You can't afford to be messing with other riders all the time.

Worst*

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If Prado goes to KTM and is a regular podium guy in 2026, none of this will even be remembered much after a while. One thing you...

If Prado goes to KTM and is a regular podium guy in 2026, none of this will even be remembered much after a while. 

One thing you know for sure is that if he is on KTM next year, his effort will be off the charts to do well. There will be no quit in him.

That last paragraph will answer whether he stays in the US or packs-up back to Europe. 

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has...

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

Seewer only rode it one season so the bike is maybe not for everyone. 

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has...

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

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Seewer only rode it one season so the bike is maybe not for everyone. 

Seewer only rode it one season so the bike is maybe not for everyone. 

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Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️

Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished 4th last year on the Kawasaki that he hated.  He’s currently sitting 10th in points.  He’s been in the premier class for 8 years now.  I’d say that the ship carrying his championship season has sailed.

His average championship finishing position in his 7 completed seasons in the premier class is 3.6.  As much as he hated his bike, his championship standing of 4th last year is average for him.  Bet he’d love to finish 4th in points this year.

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kpiper wrote:
If Prado goes to KTM and is a regular podium guy in 2026, none of this will even be remembered much after a while. One thing you...

If Prado goes to KTM and is a regular podium guy in 2026, none of this will even be remembered much after a while. 

One thing you know for sure is that if he is on KTM next year, his effort will be off the charts to do well. There will be no quit in him.

I believe you are incorrect. When a rider performs under or over his perceived ability it is never forgotten. All you have to do is look at all the Prado apologist's posts in this very thread. "Remember when RV was in GPs", "Remember when Tomac was on Kawasaki", "Remember Herlings at Ironman", etc., and these events were years ago. Performances are not forgotten in this sport, and every time any Kawasaki finished poorly now, people will same it is just like Prado's issues.

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Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished...

Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️

Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished 4th last year on the Kawasaki that he hated.  He’s currently sitting 10th in points.  He’s been in the premier class for 8 years now.  I’d say that the ship carrying his championship season has sailed.

His average championship finishing position in his 7 completed seasons in the premier class is 3.6.  As much as he hated his bike, his championship standing of 4th last year is average for him.  Bet he’d love to finish 4th in points this year.

The Ducati is a brand new bike so not sure what we should expect. I know he only got one podium with the Kawasaki and that was because of luck, he said. He also mentioned some of the same things as Prado about struggle with the setup and getting more comfortable. Looks like he got his best years on the Yamaha. 

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Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished...

Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️

Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished 4th last year on the Kawasaki that he hated.  He’s currently sitting 10th in points.  He’s been in the premier class for 8 years now.  I’d say that the ship carrying his championship season has sailed.

His average championship finishing position in his 7 completed seasons in the premier class is 3.6.  As much as he hated his bike, his championship standing of 4th last year is average for him.  Bet he’d love to finish 4th in points this year.

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The Ducati is a brand new bike so not sure what we should expect. I know he only got one podium with the Kawasaki and that...

The Ducati is a brand new bike so not sure what we should expect. I know he only got one podium with the Kawasaki and that was because of luck, he said. He also mentioned some of the same things as Prado about struggle with the setup and getting more comfortable. Looks like he got his best years on the Yamaha. 

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2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able to achieve his career average finish on the bike indicates that the bike must not be “unrideable”. 

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Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished...

Oh yeah, and Seewer has just crushed it this year after switching teams 🤦🏻‍♂️

Maybe Seewer just isn’t as good as he thought he was.  He finished 4th last year on the Kawasaki that he hated.  He’s currently sitting 10th in points.  He’s been in the premier class for 8 years now.  I’d say that the ship carrying his championship season has sailed.

His average championship finishing position in his 7 completed seasons in the premier class is 3.6.  As much as he hated his bike, his championship standing of 4th last year is average for him.  Bet he’d love to finish 4th in points this year.

VHM wrote:
The Ducati is a brand new bike so not sure what we should expect. I know he only got one podium with the Kawasaki and that...

The Ducati is a brand new bike so not sure what we should expect. I know he only got one podium with the Kawasaki and that was because of luck, he said. He also mentioned some of the same things as Prado about struggle with the setup and getting more comfortable. Looks like he got his best years on the Yamaha. 

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2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able...

2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able to achieve his career average finish on the bike indicates that the bike must not be “unrideable”. 

For his style on those tracks, with that team involved.


I personally think a massive part of the issue is the American teams and mxgp teams don’t share settings and feedbacks.


Sounds like mxgp teams had way more development and understandably so they rode the bike 1 year early.


 

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2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able...

2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able to achieve his career average finish on the bike indicates that the bike must not be “unrideable”. 

He didn't say it was unrideable, he did good on it but couldn't find "the magic" 

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2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able...

2024 was his first year on an all new bike and a team he had never ridden for, as well.  The fact that he was able to achieve his career average finish on the bike indicates that the bike must not be “unrideable”. 

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He didn't say it was unrideable, he did good on it but couldn't find "the magic" 

Well George couldn’t find second gear on his.

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has...

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

VHM wrote:
Seewer only rode it one season so the bike is maybe not for everyone. 

Seewer only rode it one season so the bike is maybe not for everyone. 

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He seemed to do better on that Kawi over his Ducati lol I never thought he was that good, he just managed to race all 45 MXGP races when everyone would miss a couple races, and boom he’s top 3 in points. 

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I don't understand your argument, my point was Kawasaki should have ended this as soon as they could. Is your point that I am mistaken and...

I don't understand your argument, my point was Kawasaki should have ended this as soon as they could. Is your point that I am mistaken and Kawasaki should prolong this public drama? Honest question.

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Kawasaki doesn’t want to end it cause then they have to pay him. They want Prado to quit. 

They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything...

They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything to Prado at the separation. 

That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now. He hasn’t breached his contract. If they fire without cause they would have to pay some of his remaining contract. 

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We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

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We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the...

We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

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Press516 wrote:
We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the...

We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

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We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the...

We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

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Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.Great riders will win on whatever they line...

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

Well apparently George didn’t get that memo.

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Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest issue.

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Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest...

Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest issue.

Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those riders are fast as fuck. Just look at Guillod. His results in mxgp are right in line with his results in ama. Mxgp class usually has pretty full gates outside of the fly away races. 

Herlings, Gasjer, Febvre, Lucas, are just as tough as the top end of our field. Go watch last years MXoN. 

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Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest...

Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest issue.

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Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those...

Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those riders are fast as fuck. Just look at Guillod. His results in mxgp are right in line with his results in ama. Mxgp class usually has pretty full gates outside of the fly away races. 

Herlings, Gasjer, Febvre, Lucas, are just as tough as the top end of our field. Go watch last years MXoN. 

I’ll admit that I don’t much about the MXGP’s , I’ve never followed that series. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve seen him do here. I’m not saying those boys aren’t fast either.

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Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest...

Whether he wants to admit it or not, it’s more about who he’s lining up against and how many he’s lining up against that’s his biggest issue.

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Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those...

Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those riders are fast as fuck. Just look at Guillod. His results in mxgp are right in line with his results in ama. Mxgp class usually has pretty full gates outside of the fly away races. 

Herlings, Gasjer, Febvre, Lucas, are just as tough as the top end of our field. Go watch last years MXoN. 

I’ll admit that I don’t much about the MXGP’s , I’ve never followed that series. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve seen him do here...

I’ll admit that I don’t much about the MXGP’s , I’ve never followed that series. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve seen him do here. I’m not saying those boys aren’t fast either.

LOL. 

How about what Herlings did at Ironman in in 2017, or Gasjer in last years MXoN, people forget Hunter came from MX2 as well. Prado waxed guys like Paturel and Guillod in MXGP so the fact they were even close to each other this year should tell you he wasn’t anywhere close to his MXGP performance. 

If you think what we saw from Prado is anywhere near his peak (regardless of the reason for him blowing chunks this year) you are out of your damn mind. 

I’ve criticized him because he mostly won races in MXGP from getting hole shots, but he’s absolutely capable of being one of the fastest riders in the AMA series. 

The Kawi deal was just a bad fit, whether it was more on him or the team, it wasn’t representative of what he was capable of. 

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soggy wrote:
Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those...

Dude with respect you didn’t even know mxgp has works bikes/no production rule. That’s pretty common knowledge. Anyone that actually watches the mxgp races knows those riders are fast as fuck. Just look at Guillod. His results in mxgp are right in line with his results in ama. Mxgp class usually has pretty full gates outside of the fly away races. 

Herlings, Gasjer, Febvre, Lucas, are just as tough as the top end of our field. Go watch last years MXoN. 

I’ll admit that I don’t much about the MXGP’s , I’ve never followed that series. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve seen him do here...

I’ll admit that I don’t much about the MXGP’s , I’ve never followed that series. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve seen him do here. I’m not saying those boys aren’t fast either.

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LOL. How about what Herlings did at Ironman in in 2017, or Gasjer in last years MXoN, people forget Hunter came from MX2 as well. Prado waxed...

LOL. 

How about what Herlings did at Ironman in in 2017, or Gasjer in last years MXoN, people forget Hunter came from MX2 as well. Prado waxed guys like Paturel and Guillod in MXGP so the fact they were even close to each other this year should tell you he wasn’t anywhere close to his MXGP performance. 

If you think what we saw from Prado is anywhere near his peak (regardless of the reason for him blowing chunks this year) you are out of your damn mind. 

I’ve criticized him because he mostly won races in MXGP from getting hole shots, but he’s absolutely capable of being one of the fastest riders in the AMA series. 

The Kawi deal was just a bad fit, whether it was more on him or the team, it wasn’t representative of what he was capable of. 

Maybe he’s not capable enough over here. Maybe he won’t ever be able to find what he’s looking for on a stock chassis. I’ve seen like everyone else this year that he’s plenty fast, in the beginning of several moto’s throughout the year, but then peters out and melts away like a slice of butter on a stack of hotcakes.

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has...

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

Stop it! You will ruin some people’s fantastical ideas that European GP bikes are mystical soucery unlike any bike ever known to mankind, that give riders superpowers.

Nothing like the stock showroom floor bikes raced in America..

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CPR wrote:

I’m not sure what SX results on the previous model Kawi have to do with the current bike in outdoors? 
But maybe that’s just me…..

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has...

There’s a guy in Europe who’s leading the MXGP championship on the current OE chassis according to the team’s test rider, so I’d say it has proven to be capable in the right hands.

Stop it! You will ruin some people’s fantastical ideas that European GP bikes are mystical soucery unlike any bike ever known to mankind, that give riders...

Stop it! You will ruin some people’s fantastical ideas that European GP bikes are mystical soucery unlike any bike ever known to mankind, that give riders superpowers.

Nothing like the stock showroom floor bikes raced in America..

Lmao! Great point.

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Kawasaki doesn’t want to end it cause then they have to pay him. They want Prado to quit. 

They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything...

They would just agree to mutually part ways. Kawasaki could probably fire him for cause at this point anyway. Zero chance Kawasaki has to pay anything to Prado at the separation. 

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That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now...

That’s what they are going to try to do I believe. But they have to come to an agreement.  Kawi has no cause for firing now. He hasn’t breached his contract. If they fire without cause they would have to pay some of his remaining contract. 

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

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We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the...

We're going to find out a lot pretty soon regarding Prado.  Is there any excuse acceptable when going back to the steel frame?  If it's the bike, it's the bike, right??

No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

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Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.Great riders will win on whatever they line...

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to find him fighting for top 3's almost immediately.

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I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have...

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s in his contract, but I do this for a living in the business world and he would have breached every contract I design. I would approve a termination for cause in this situation. I think they(kawi) have enough and it would be tough for a Prado lawyer to prove otherwise. It wouldn’t get to this point but if the Prado camp sued over the termination, Kawaski could show interviews and say he is casing reputational damage. Prado would have zero chance in court. 

No  decent lawyer would touch that lawsuit.

You know more about contracts than me for sure then. What would the cause be? 

I’m going off what folks like Matthes and ML (his video breaking it down was good if you haven’t watched check it out) have said that are pretty familiar with moto contracts. 

Maybe you are right and he’s canned after SMX. 

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No, but if Sexton gets on the bike and can’t keep it in the top 10 next year, it’s the bike.

VHM wrote:
Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.Great riders will win on whatever they line...

Top 10?! Sexton has won over Jett and top 3s this season. We should expect top 5 at least.
Great riders will win on whatever they line up on people say here.

Press516 wrote:
There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to...

There's no conceivable scenario where Chase isn't in the top 10.  If he's not top 5, he'll die trying to be...  I think you're going to find him fighting for top 3's almost immediately.

I think his point is no matter the bike, Prado should’ve been up there too. If everyone expects Chase to be in the top 5 on the Kawi, I think the same expectation should be on the world champ outdoors on the Kawi. 

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