Juju - Head Injury Today

Edited Date/Time 8/23/2025 6:42pm

I know dude was struggling and forced to sit out all summer with the hit from earlier this year…bummed to see him post this IMG 6158.png?VersionId=BlF701vEoQ7eOFMZWd31V6gfpRY1

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      Before this season started, I had JuJu running very near the front. I thought he showed promise, and I still do. Now for the opinion that will bring the downvotes. I believe he ought to sit out SMX, recover completely, and be fit and strong both mentally and physically next year. He is enjoyable to watch, stays classy, and can run with the fast guys when he is “ right “ !

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Wouldn't count on him being in for SMX. That was a somewhat mild hit to get knocked out on...... 

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truck wrote:

Wouldn't count on him being in for SMX. That was a somewhat mild hit to get knocked out on...... 

I do agree it looked mild. It could be 1 of 2 things imo. 

1. Sometimes its the small hits that do the most damage for whatever reason. Take the jessy nelson crash that paralyzed him, looked almost exactly like this one. 

2. It really wasnt a big hit, but due to previous concussions it only takes a small bump to injure him again. 

Not sure which one is better to have happen.. or worse. Hope hes ok. 

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Even the most innocuous looking hit to the head can have drastic consequences, you can’t judge these things by appearances. Hope he heals up 100% before coming back.

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You guys aren't gonna like this but Arai helmets have extremely little protective ability compared to the other premium helmets available today

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Juck wrote:

You guys aren't gonna like this but Arai helmets have extremely little protective ability compared to the other premium helmets available today

Is this opinion or fact? Genuinely curios about the likes of Arai / Shoei getting by on their name rather than quality these days. 

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Juck wrote:

You guys aren't gonna like this but Arai helmets have extremely little protective ability compared to the other premium helmets available today

jazza167 wrote:

Is this opinion or fact? Genuinely curios about the likes of Arai / Shoei getting by on their name rather than quality these days. 

It's opinion for now because all the helmet tests actually being conducted are done by private companies who won't release the data for whatever reason (bar one in Australia that has some bizarre results and is primarily testing for road bike crashes)

Arai's protection philosophy is to make the shell as hard as possible so it "glances" across the ground rather than absorbs energy, which is in opposition to every other helmet manufacturer's philosophy, on top of being, quite frankly, in my opinion, incredibly retarded. So you basically only have one layer of impact absorption (EPS, if it even works) instead of two (EPS + shell) or even three with the EPS and shell in addition to something like ODS from 6D or Rheon from Fly for example.

Shoei on the other hand I do believe makes a good helmet, but it is not sold in the American market. The helmets sold by Shoei in the American markets are Snell certified, which is more suited to race car helmets (where you have a roll cage to protect you) and leads to extremely rigid helmet shells. The ECE certified helmets seem to be quite good, as Shoei has their own technology which is like a mix of MIPS and ODS, as well as a special composite formula for the helmet shells which increase flexibility/impact absorption whilst maintaining structural integrity.

I have done a lot of my own research into helmet technology and I don't get too into discussions about it usually because there isn't publicly available objective data I can point to to back my point up, I just can't help myself anytime Arai comes up because their technology is just ridiculously dumb in my opinion.

Pretty much all premium helmets that I can think of are pretty good for protection if they're not Snell certified, and of the Snell certified ones, Arai takes that philosophy the furthest and makes a stupidly rigid shell.

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Juck wrote:

You guys aren't gonna like this but Arai helmets have extremely little protective ability compared to the other premium helmets available today

jazza167 wrote:

Is this opinion or fact? Genuinely curios about the likes of Arai / Shoei getting by on their name rather than quality these days. 

Juck wrote:
It's opinion for now because all the helmet tests actually being conducted are done by private companies who won't release the data for whatever reason (bar...

It's opinion for now because all the helmet tests actually being conducted are done by private companies who won't release the data for whatever reason (bar one in Australia that has some bizarre results and is primarily testing for road bike crashes)

Arai's protection philosophy is to make the shell as hard as possible so it "glances" across the ground rather than absorbs energy, which is in opposition to every other helmet manufacturer's philosophy, on top of being, quite frankly, in my opinion, incredibly retarded. So you basically only have one layer of impact absorption (EPS, if it even works) instead of two (EPS + shell) or even three with the EPS and shell in addition to something like ODS from 6D or Rheon from Fly for example.

Shoei on the other hand I do believe makes a good helmet, but it is not sold in the American market. The helmets sold by Shoei in the American markets are Snell certified, which is more suited to race car helmets (where you have a roll cage to protect you) and leads to extremely rigid helmet shells. The ECE certified helmets seem to be quite good, as Shoei has their own technology which is like a mix of MIPS and ODS, as well as a special composite formula for the helmet shells which increase flexibility/impact absorption whilst maintaining structural integrity.

I have done a lot of my own research into helmet technology and I don't get too into discussions about it usually because there isn't publicly available objective data I can point to to back my point up, I just can't help myself anytime Arai comes up because their technology is just ridiculously dumb in my opinion.

Pretty much all premium helmets that I can think of are pretty good for protection if they're not Snell certified, and of the Snell certified ones, Arai takes that philosophy the furthest and makes a stupidly rigid shell.

Yea arai’s philosophy is to make the shell extremely hard, but also to make the shape of the helmet very round, and also very slippery so it supposedly doesnt catch on anything and slips across the ground. I feel like theres a reason hardly anyone uses them anymore, they havent modernized imo. 

Also right about snell, its made for cars with roll cages which has absolutely nothing in common with a motorcycle helmet. The only helmets I buy are dot/ece certified because ece is the best/safest standard imo, but in the US you have to have the dot sticker to ride most tracks. Something like the moto 10 is dot/snell/and ece so they cover all bases. 

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this is basically thread hijacking at this point but gonna roll with it. 

Virginia Tech does a big helmet test for a ton of different mtb helmet. Fox is consistently the best or close to the best if I remember correctly. It would be cool if they did a moto helmet shootout also.

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The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging in his garage that Juju is running today lol But then again Dax Bennick has gotten bad concussions in AStars helmets and JMart had back to back bad ones in 6D helmets soooo who really knows 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

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ohh_454 wrote:
The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging...

The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging in his garage that Juju is running today lol But then again Dax Bennick has gotten bad concussions in AStars helmets and JMart had back to back bad ones in 6D helmets soooo who really knows 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

There is definitely a genetic component to concussions. 

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8/30/2025 5:37pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2025 4:31am

Its pretty common knowledge (especially in road racing circles) that once you’ve had one concussion its easier to get more. Although I’m not a fan, i hope JB23 heals his head and stays off the ground.

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ohh_454 wrote:
The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging...

The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging in his garage that Juju is running today lol But then again Dax Bennick has gotten bad concussions in AStars helmets and JMart had back to back bad ones in 6D helmets soooo who really knows 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

wrc777 wrote:

There is definitely a genetic component to concussions. 

Post some studies on this 

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Its pretty common knowledge (especially in road racing circles) that once you’ve had one concussion its easier to get more. Although I’m not a fan, i...

Its pretty common knowledge (especially in road racing circles) that once you’ve had one concussion its easier to get more. Although I’m not a fan, i hope JB23 heals his head and stays off the ground.

Wtf does the I’m not a Ktm fan have to do with this? Strange to slide that in there:

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ohh_454 wrote:
The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging...

The Arai is an old helmet, that’d be like somewhere wearing a Bell Moto-8 from 2006 still today imo. Millsaps probably has the same Arais hanging in his garage that Juju is running today lol But then again Dax Bennick has gotten bad concussions in AStars helmets and JMart had back to back bad ones in 6D helmets soooo who really knows 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

wrc777 wrote:

There is definitely a genetic component to concussions. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Post some studies on this 

Some guys get them all the time and some rarely if ever get them. This happens in all sports. I doubt they know what dna makeup causes it.

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wrc777 wrote:

There is definitely a genetic component to concussions. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Post some studies on this 

wrc777 wrote:
Some guys get them all the time and some rarely if ever get them. This happens in all sports. I doubt they know what dna makeup...

Some guys get them all the time and some rarely if ever get them. This happens in all sports. I doubt they know what dna makeup causes it.

It’s probably the same with how some boxers can take a hit and rarely get knocked down, where others as referred to as having a “glass jaw” and get knocked out easily. 

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Sucks to hear. 

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I hope him and his team take this one seriously.   Concussions cost Broc Hepler a promising career.

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USA hockey makes us coaches every year take classes on concussions.  We are taught the chance of having a concussion after another one increases dramatically in the first 4 weeks. 

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Concussions are the #1 reason my son stopped racing. He had 4 or 5 before 18, and at an amateur level it's simply not worth the long-term risk. He was never going pro without a huge push to try, which would of course simply expose him to more risk. I worry about if/how it's going to affect him later in life. Mostly Fly and AStar top-end helmets in our case, and I think in general the helmets did their job well. We replaced them after a big crash every time. He broke the chin bar on an SM10 on one crash he hit so hard. He was just flying on his125 at that time, and that was really the end of it for us. Scary crash to see,

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Juck wrote:

You guys aren't gonna like this but Arai helmets have extremely little protective ability compared to the other premium helmets available today

jazza167 wrote:

Is this opinion or fact? Genuinely curios about the likes of Arai / Shoei getting by on their name rather than quality these days. 

Juck wrote:
It's opinion for now because all the helmet tests actually being conducted are done by private companies who won't release the data for whatever reason (bar...

It's opinion for now because all the helmet tests actually being conducted are done by private companies who won't release the data for whatever reason (bar one in Australia that has some bizarre results and is primarily testing for road bike crashes)

Arai's protection philosophy is to make the shell as hard as possible so it "glances" across the ground rather than absorbs energy, which is in opposition to every other helmet manufacturer's philosophy, on top of being, quite frankly, in my opinion, incredibly retarded. So you basically only have one layer of impact absorption (EPS, if it even works) instead of two (EPS + shell) or even three with the EPS and shell in addition to something like ODS from 6D or Rheon from Fly for example.

Shoei on the other hand I do believe makes a good helmet, but it is not sold in the American market. The helmets sold by Shoei in the American markets are Snell certified, which is more suited to race car helmets (where you have a roll cage to protect you) and leads to extremely rigid helmet shells. The ECE certified helmets seem to be quite good, as Shoei has their own technology which is like a mix of MIPS and ODS, as well as a special composite formula for the helmet shells which increase flexibility/impact absorption whilst maintaining structural integrity.

I have done a lot of my own research into helmet technology and I don't get too into discussions about it usually because there isn't publicly available objective data I can point to to back my point up, I just can't help myself anytime Arai comes up because their technology is just ridiculously dumb in my opinion.

Pretty much all premium helmets that I can think of are pretty good for protection if they're not Snell certified, and of the Snell certified ones, Arai takes that philosophy the furthest and makes a stupidly rigid shell.

Not going to apologize on Arai's behalf for their lack of recent innovation, but their inner liner is more advanced than you're giving them credit for. They have a triple-density foam EPS inside the hard shell which is designed to meet different impact velocities. (It's like three layers of EPS, molded together.) Also, their "rounder" shape is intended to better glance off obstacles and in their opinion (not 100% sure I agree,) negates the need for MIPS or some other anti-rotational tech. 
I'd like to see Arai come up with something new, but for my head, nothing is even remotely as comfortable and form-fitting as an Arai. I'm wearing a carbon SM-10 these days and it pales in comparison to my Arais that I used to have, both in fit and quality of construction. 

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What happened? Did HD #38 Balls slap him ?

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The biggest concern with this one is that he had the head injury assessment done by a chiropractor. 

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