Red bull leaving KTM Group?

Old School Fool 8/21/2025 3:21pm
8/21/2025 3:21pm
quadzrulebro wrote:

We are waaay too redneck to attract those sponsors.  Energy drinks and Only Fans are more in our wheelhouse.

agn5008 wrote:

Which is kinda weird considering most people who race are middle/upper middle class. 

Herr Lich wrote:
Really? If that is the case it seems they're not 'culturally' upper class. Someone can have a lot of money and still be a total bogan...

Really? If that is the case it seems they're not 'culturally' upper class. Someone can have a lot of money and still be a total bogan. Same applies for the middle class, although in the US context, it's my understanding middle class doesn't mean the same as in the rest of the world. It seems in the US you can be 'middle class' and still be pretty skint. Most of the really rich people supporting their kids in moto seems to be ex-pro riders, or owners of 'blue collar' type businesses or moto-related businesses. I've not seen any aristocrats or owners/CEOs of tech companies for example. 

           I now must rethink my whole life. I  unknowingly agreed with the quoted post, only to look at the name, and shockingly saw HerrLich on the post. End of days !

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Herr Lich wrote:
Really? If that is the case it seems they're not 'culturally' upper class. Someone can have a lot of money and still be a total bogan...

Really? If that is the case it seems they're not 'culturally' upper class. Someone can have a lot of money and still be a total bogan. Same applies for the middle class, although in the US context, it's my understanding middle class doesn't mean the same as in the rest of the world. It seems in the US you can be 'middle class' and still be pretty skint. Most of the really rich people supporting their kids in moto seems to be ex-pro riders, or owners of 'blue collar' type businesses or moto-related businesses. I've not seen any aristocrats or owners/CEOs of tech companies for example. 

agn5008 wrote:
I guess I don’t follow what you mean by culturally upperclass. I’ve been a part of this sport for 30+ years and have been to a...

I guess I don’t follow what you mean by culturally upperclass. I’ve been a part of this sport for 30+ years and have been to a crazy amount of races, both motocross and harescrambles. Most of the people I’ve met are your typical middle class to upper middle class families. Business owners, teachers, nurses, welders, loggers, cops, lawyers, engineers, construction workers, etc. you know, the people who make the world go around. Obviously sometimes you’ll see some very wealthy people at the races. But very rarely will you see “poor” families.


Either way, lots of people with lots of different backgrounds definitely enjoy this sport. 

Herr Lich wrote:
There are some differences here between the American definition of middle class and understandings from other Western countries. Welders, loggers, and construction workers would all be...

There are some differences here between the American definition of middle class and understandings from other Western countries. Welders, loggers, and construction workers would all be considered working class. 

Given how badly “mainstream” involvement has ruined NASCAR, F1, and soon, MotoGP, I’m just fine with moto being a blue collar sport. The type of pretentious fucks that wear Rolex watches and suits aren’t anyone I want within 10 miles of me anyway. 

The best people I know are what many would call “rednecks” and/or “simple.” They don’t have a lot, but they’d still give you a meal, help, and the shirt off their backs.

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Anonymous wrote:
Do you guys think RB is going to keep up with the amazing amount of support they provided for so many types of niche sports now...

Do you guys think RB is going to keep up with the amazing amount of support they provided for so many types of niche sports now that the founder of RB has passed away? 
 don’t think it’s going to stay the same for much longer.  But I sure hope the KTM partnership continues. KTM won’t be the same without it 

The ownership of both Red Bull and KTM look fundamentally different than 25 years ago when these deals were first struck.

Lots of questions among both groups as their new management look forward.

Does Oliver Mintzlaff at Red Bull have the passion for moto that Mateschitz did? 

For KTM, does Bajaj view offroad/MX in the same key way as Pierer had?

 

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PRM31 8/22/2025 6:13am
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During an interview with Pit Beirer this morning at the MotoGP race, he said KTM just renewed their contract with Red Bull.

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rstaichi 8/22/2025 8:49pm
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PRM31 wrote:

During an interview with Pit Beirer this morning at the MotoGP race, he said KTM just renewed their contract with Red Bull.

I just came here to say that. 
Good news. 

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PRM31 wrote:
It's not unreasonable to think KTM is choosing to leave MotoGP as part of their restructuring. This would free up Red Bull to support Honda, who...

It's not unreasonable to think KTM is choosing to leave MotoGP as part of their restructuring. This would free up Red Bull to support Honda, who lost their long time sponsor Repsol a year or so ago. 

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Repsol Honda is no longer a thing? Damn. I used to drool over those bikes.

Castrol is now their lubricant supplier

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agn5008 wrote:
I guess I don’t follow what you mean by culturally upperclass. I’ve been a part of this sport for 30+ years and have been to a...

I guess I don’t follow what you mean by culturally upperclass. I’ve been a part of this sport for 30+ years and have been to a crazy amount of races, both motocross and harescrambles. Most of the people I’ve met are your typical middle class to upper middle class families. Business owners, teachers, nurses, welders, loggers, cops, lawyers, engineers, construction workers, etc. you know, the people who make the world go around. Obviously sometimes you’ll see some very wealthy people at the races. But very rarely will you see “poor” families.


Either way, lots of people with lots of different backgrounds definitely enjoy this sport. 

Herr Lich wrote:
There are some differences here between the American definition of middle class and understandings from other Western countries. Welders, loggers, and construction workers would all be...

There are some differences here between the American definition of middle class and understandings from other Western countries. Welders, loggers, and construction workers would all be considered working class. 

PNWMXer wrote:
Given how badly “mainstream” involvement has ruined NASCAR, F1, and soon, MotoGP, I’m just fine with moto being a blue collar sport. The type of pretentious...

Given how badly “mainstream” involvement has ruined NASCAR, F1, and soon, MotoGP, I’m just fine with moto being a blue collar sport. The type of pretentious fucks that wear Rolex watches and suits aren’t anyone I want within 10 miles of me anyway. 

The best people I know are what many would call “rednecks” and/or “simple.” They don’t have a lot, but they’d still give you a meal, help, and the shirt off their backs.

No objection from me. I'm tired of arse wipes like Gypsy Ho banging on about growing the sport. The sport is sweet as it is. I like the way it feels like our sport and not something every Joe Citizen on the street knows about. 

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Ayren wrote:
There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official...

There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official yet but can be interesting 

Sully wrote:
Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping...

Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping 12th place Prado. 

Prado is 6th in points 🤦‍♂️

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Ayren wrote:
There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official...

There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official yet but can be interesting 

Sully wrote:
Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping...

Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping 12th place Prado. 

That's right wrote:

Prado is 6th in points 🤦‍♂️

Cool. Where did he finish at Unadilla?

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Cayden Thompson wrote:

How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

Being innovative would help. Not much to see so far.

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Sully wrote:
Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping...

Would Monster be sponsoring the entire team? If they dropped the personal sponsorships of guys like Jo, Ferrandis and Gasjer, I really don’t see them keeping 12th place Prado. 

That's right wrote:

Prado is 6th in points 🤦‍♂️

Sully wrote:

Cool. Where did he finish at Unadilla?

And might not even qualify to race today 

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colonel 8/23/2025 7:48am
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Ayren wrote:
There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official...

There are rumors that red bull is leaving ktm motogp and also all the ktm group, that can put Prado on ktm with monster, nothing official yet but can be interesting 

kiwifan wrote:

I will believe it when I see it

There is alot of truth to the original post. 

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