Trump meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday to pursue an end to the War in Ukraine.

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Looks like the usual clowns spent the weekend rageposting. 

Looks like the usual clowns spent the weekend rageposting. 

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Look another snowflake defending his cult leader.

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To quote a young John Connor to Arnie out in the desert…”we are not gonna make it are we?”

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"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

Gotta wonder if he sanctions Ukraine for not agreeing to capitulation..

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s result was for Trump to pressure Ukraine into submitting. Especially with Zelenskyy meetings scheduled this week. There’s got to be something missing, right?  There’s no way Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. At least that’s our hope.  

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

LoudLove wrote:
Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s...

Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s result was for Trump to pressure Ukraine into submitting. Especially with Zelenskyy meetings scheduled this week. There’s got to be something missing, right?  There’s no way Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. At least that’s our hope.  

He’s always had a love affair with Putin, Xi, Kim Jong. Now he’s working for Russia in these negotiations. It’s absolutely insane. 

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

LoudLove wrote:
Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s...

Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s result was for Trump to pressure Ukraine into submitting. Especially with Zelenskyy meetings scheduled this week. There’s got to be something missing, right?  There’s no way Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. At least that’s our hope.  

Putin has Epstein's videos of Trump.

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

LoudLove wrote:
Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s...

Please tell us that quote is fictitious. A week ago Trump was meeting Putin to facilitate an end to hostilities. I cannot fathom that the meeting’s result was for Trump to pressure Ukraine into submitting. Especially with Zelenskyy meetings scheduled this week. There’s got to be something missing, right?  There’s no way Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. At least that’s our hope.  

Putin has Epstein's videos of Trump.

Putin has Epstein's videos of Trump.

Before anything Epstein was news, there were the rumours of Trumps trips to beauty pageants in Russia, in which he was covertly filmed in orgies at Hotels. 
 

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Guy can try to spin it however he wants. If you look at trumps actions the last week it’s not good. 

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Alright honest question for the liberal minded members here, the lefts consensus is that Trump basically boot licked Putin correct? What would you have liked to see him do differently? In which manner would you have liked to see him present himself? 

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

The sentiment is sort of correct……

Just like Roosevelt could have avoided a lot more American deaths by not fighting Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbor. 

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TalinH112 wrote:
Alright honest question for the liberal minded members here, the lefts consensus is that Trump basically boot licked Putin correct? What would you have liked to...

Alright honest question for the liberal minded members here, the lefts consensus is that Trump basically boot licked Putin correct? What would you have liked to see him do differently? In which manner would you have liked to see him present himself? 

Going into the meetings Trump said there would be extreme consequences if Putin didnt back down. 

Coming out of the meetings Trump has totally flipped and now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war. 

That doesn’t trouble you?

There is a bill in congress that would put sanctions on Russia. Theres been no pressure from trump to pass that bill like he has done in the past for other bills. 

Edit:  on top of that rolling out the red carpet and applauding a war criminal authoritarian is an insane look. What would conservatives reaction have been if a democrat had done that?

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TalinH112 wrote:
Alright honest question for the liberal minded members here, the lefts consensus is that Trump basically boot licked Putin correct? What would you have liked to...

Alright honest question for the liberal minded members here, the lefts consensus is that Trump basically boot licked Putin correct? What would you have liked to see him do differently? In which manner would you have liked to see him present himself? 

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Going into the meetings Trump said there would be extreme consequences if Putin didnt back down. Coming out of the meetings Trump has totally flipped and now...

Going into the meetings Trump said there would be extreme consequences if Putin didnt back down. 

Coming out of the meetings Trump has totally flipped and now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war. 

That doesn’t trouble you?

There is a bill in congress that would put sanctions on Russia. Theres been no pressure from trump to pass that bill like he has done in the past for other bills. 

Edit:  on top of that rolling out the red carpet and applauding a war criminal authoritarian is an insane look. What would conservatives reaction have been if a democrat had done that?

Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned, I believe this may be a play to see what moves Russia makes following the meeting in Alaska. In regards to Ukraine I believe Trump is correct, like it or not the prerequisites for the war ending have been on the table for a while. Ukraine is not in a position to win this war outright and retain all the land that Russia has stolen/taken from them during the course of this war. Right or wrong Russia controls land that was previously held by the Ukrainians, if you want the war to stop they may have to capitulate. It is not the outcome Ukraine or the US wants but it may be the answer to avoid a much larger and bloodier conflict involving larger numbers of countries and lost lives. I believe we all knew Trump wasn’t going to walk out of this with the war ending, but I do believe progress was made and a foundation laid for it to end soon.

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TalinH112 wrote:
Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if...

Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned, I believe this may be a play to see what moves Russia makes following the meeting in Alaska. In regards to Ukraine I believe Trump is correct, like it or not the prerequisites for the war ending have been on the table for a while. Ukraine is not in a position to win this war outright and retain all the land that Russia has stolen/taken from them during the course of this war. Right or wrong Russia controls land that was previously held by the Ukrainians, if you want the war to stop they may have to capitulate. It is not the outcome Ukraine or the US wants but it may be the answer to avoid a much larger and bloodier conflict involving larger numbers of countries and lost lives. I believe we all knew Trump wasn’t going to walk out of this with the war ending, but I do believe progress was made and a foundation laid for it to end soon.

Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. 

the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias term have been on the table, but to let that happen would be a travesty imo. 

We haven’t pulled all the levers we have to use to put pressure on Russia. Don’t forget they are the aggressor here. 
 

There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned”

would you say they are going to plan so far?  Trump is trying to end the war by telling Ukraine to give up its land. That’s quite the hammer. Wake up people the president of the United States is doing whatever Putin tells him. It’s insane. 

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Looks like the usual clowns spent the weekend rageposting. 

Looks like the usual clowns spent the weekend rageposting. 

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M8 wrote:

Look another snowflake defending his cult leader.

Can you explain the cult and leader thing to me? I am 99% sure that was started on MSNBC,  and wondering where the facts are behind this? Is it a Non Profit Organization that he started funneling money to the "cultist"?

 IF we were going by the blue standard you would be posting Fake news and have to be fact checked, and found to look stupid and emotional 

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TalinH112 wrote:
Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if...

Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned, I believe this may be a play to see what moves Russia makes following the meeting in Alaska. In regards to Ukraine I believe Trump is correct, like it or not the prerequisites for the war ending have been on the table for a while. Ukraine is not in a position to win this war outright and retain all the land that Russia has stolen/taken from them during the course of this war. Right or wrong Russia controls land that was previously held by the Ukrainians, if you want the war to stop they may have to capitulate. It is not the outcome Ukraine or the US wants but it may be the answer to avoid a much larger and bloodier conflict involving larger numbers of countries and lost lives. I believe we all knew Trump wasn’t going to walk out of this with the war ending, but I do believe progress was made and a foundation laid for it to end soon.

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Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias...

Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. 

the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias term have been on the table, but to let that happen would be a travesty imo. 

We haven’t pulled all the levers we have to use to put pressure on Russia. Don’t forget they are the aggressor here. 
 

There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned”

would you say they are going to plan so far?  Trump is trying to end the war by telling Ukraine to give up its land. That’s quite the hammer. Wake up people the president of the United States is doing whatever Putin tells him. It’s insane. 

I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of time, manpower and munitions. They will collapse completely if they do not stop the war. If they want any semblance of a free country after this is over, concessions have to be made. This is a fact, not an opinion. Ukraine cannot make demands in the face of obliteration, Putin knows that and so does Trump, the only one who doesn’t is Zelensky. They have fought very valiantly in a war they did not choose, but they cannot win and they know it. 

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soggy wrote:
"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social...

"President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on social media on Sunday.

This guy might as well be a Russian operative. 
From extreme consequences against Russia if they don’t agree to a ceasefire to now saying it’s up to Ukraine to end the war, by giving up their land to Russia. This is beyond fucked. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

The sentiment is sort of correct……

Just like Roosevelt could have avoided a lot more American deaths by not fighting Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbor. 

He could have not just sat back and let Pearl Harbor be attacked to draw us into the war…

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TalinH112 wrote:
Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if...

Can we agree we do not know what was said during the meeting? There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned, I believe this may be a play to see what moves Russia makes following the meeting in Alaska. In regards to Ukraine I believe Trump is correct, like it or not the prerequisites for the war ending have been on the table for a while. Ukraine is not in a position to win this war outright and retain all the land that Russia has stolen/taken from them during the course of this war. Right or wrong Russia controls land that was previously held by the Ukrainians, if you want the war to stop they may have to capitulate. It is not the outcome Ukraine or the US wants but it may be the answer to avoid a much larger and bloodier conflict involving larger numbers of countries and lost lives. I believe we all knew Trump wasn’t going to walk out of this with the war ending, but I do believe progress was made and a foundation laid for it to end soon.

soggy wrote:
Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias...

Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. 

the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias term have been on the table, but to let that happen would be a travesty imo. 

We haven’t pulled all the levers we have to use to put pressure on Russia. Don’t forget they are the aggressor here. 
 

There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned”

would you say they are going to plan so far?  Trump is trying to end the war by telling Ukraine to give up its land. That’s quite the hammer. Wake up people the president of the United States is doing whatever Putin tells him. It’s insane. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of...

I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of time, manpower and munitions. They will collapse completely if they do not stop the war. If they want any semblance of a free country after this is over, concessions have to be made. This is a fact, not an opinion. Ukraine cannot make demands in the face of obliteration, Putin knows that and so does Trump, the only one who doesn’t is Zelensky. They have fought very valiantly in a war they did not choose, but they cannot win and they know it. 

That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. 

We should pull all the levers we have (russia sanctioning bill that’s in congress right now). Giving in to Russia should be the very last option. 

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soggy wrote:
Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias...

Yes I’ll agree we don’t know what blackmail Putin has on Trump to get him to flip so quick. 

the prerequisites for ending the war on Russias term have been on the table, but to let that happen would be a travesty imo. 

We haven’t pulled all the levers we have to use to put pressure on Russia. Don’t forget they are the aggressor here. 
 

There are measures in place to put the hammer down on Russia if things do not go the way we planned”

would you say they are going to plan so far?  Trump is trying to end the war by telling Ukraine to give up its land. That’s quite the hammer. Wake up people the president of the United States is doing whatever Putin tells him. It’s insane. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of...

I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of time, manpower and munitions. They will collapse completely if they do not stop the war. If they want any semblance of a free country after this is over, concessions have to be made. This is a fact, not an opinion. Ukraine cannot make demands in the face of obliteration, Putin knows that and so does Trump, the only one who doesn’t is Zelensky. They have fought very valiantly in a war they did not choose, but they cannot win and they know it. 

soggy wrote:
That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. We should pull all the levers we...

That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. 

We should pull all the levers we have (russia sanctioning bill that’s in congress right now). Giving in to Russia should be the very last option. 

Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used Brazil, India and China to usurp the sanctions in place and continue to fund the conflict. Russia cares not about sanctions as they are willing to operate in the black market to achieve their goals while also strengthening ties with the countries they are dealing with. There are no winning solutions, there is no return to where Ukraine was before. 

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Boys and girls, please put aside your Left vs. Right political biases for just a few, and answer me this - is the Average Joe just suppose to pledge allegiance to Ukraine, and pretend they arent a leach on EVERY SINGLE U.S. taxpayer? Why will NO ONE acknowledge the RAMPANT corruption that has plagued the country of Ukraine for the last 50+ years? Ultimately, it feels like a regime change of Russia is the ultimate goal (bought and paid for by the broken backs of the U.S. taxpayer) here. Why will no one acknowledge that this war is so unpopular, even Ukrainians are bombing THEIR OWN military recrutment headquarters? And of course, how quickly we've forgotten about the peace talks at the White House when Zelenskyy walked out, not wanting ANY agreement at all, just more tax payer $$. 

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This whole war is predicated on the people of Ukraine's desire to shed the Soviet/Russian style of corruption that has plagued it.

The US used to be the leader of western values of laws, procedure, and respect. Sadly we have relinquished that, we are now adopting the Russian/Arab style of corruption and oppression that so greatly holds those regions back from realizing their potential. We are next.

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TalinH112 wrote:
I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of...

I am aware that Russia is the aggressor, I am also aware that they are the stronger force in this conflict. Ukraine is running out of time, manpower and munitions. They will collapse completely if they do not stop the war. If they want any semblance of a free country after this is over, concessions have to be made. This is a fact, not an opinion. Ukraine cannot make demands in the face of obliteration, Putin knows that and so does Trump, the only one who doesn’t is Zelensky. They have fought very valiantly in a war they did not choose, but they cannot win and they know it. 

soggy wrote:
That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. We should pull all the levers we...

That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. 

We should pull all the levers we have (russia sanctioning bill that’s in congress right now). Giving in to Russia should be the very last option. 

TalinH112 wrote:
Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used...

Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used Brazil, India and China to usurp the sanctions in place and continue to fund the conflict. Russia cares not about sanctions as they are willing to operate in the black market to achieve their goals while also strengthening ties with the countries they are dealing with. There are no winning solutions, there is no return to where Ukraine was before. 

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

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soggy wrote:
That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. We should pull all the levers we...

That’s why it’s important for the EU and us to support Ukraine from being taking over by a communistic regime. 

We should pull all the levers we have (russia sanctioning bill that’s in congress right now). Giving in to Russia should be the very last option. 

TalinH112 wrote:
Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used...

Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used Brazil, India and China to usurp the sanctions in place and continue to fund the conflict. Russia cares not about sanctions as they are willing to operate in the black market to achieve their goals while also strengthening ties with the countries they are dealing with. There are no winning solutions, there is no return to where Ukraine was before. 

LoudLove wrote:
If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should...

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe it was meant as a flex. As far as the red carpet goes I agree, that wasn’t a good decision. I believe the meeting was meant to find an end to the war, in order for that to happen you have to come to an agreement on terms. Everyone should remember the US is not involved in this war, we are a moderator. IMO we should not let our pride as Americans get in the way of a lasting peace agreement between two countries on the other side of the world, there is not a need for us to bang our chests and demand anything from anyone. We are looking to end the war, if we accomplish that through diplomatic means then we have succeeded. As I have stated, there is not victory in this conflict, everything that has been lost was for nothing and at this point an end is the only goal. 

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TalinH112 wrote:
Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used...

Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used Brazil, India and China to usurp the sanctions in place and continue to fund the conflict. Russia cares not about sanctions as they are willing to operate in the black market to achieve their goals while also strengthening ties with the countries they are dealing with. There are no winning solutions, there is no return to where Ukraine was before. 

LoudLove wrote:
If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should...

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe...

I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe it was meant as a flex. As far as the red carpet goes I agree, that wasn’t a good decision. I believe the meeting was meant to find an end to the war, in order for that to happen you have to come to an agreement on terms. Everyone should remember the US is not involved in this war, we are a moderator. IMO we should not let our pride as Americans get in the way of a lasting peace agreement between two countries on the other side of the world, there is not a need for us to bang our chests and demand anything from anyone. We are looking to end the war, if we accomplish that through diplomatic means then we have succeeded. As I have stated, there is not victory in this conflict, everything that has been lost was for nothing and at this point an end is the only goal. 

There is victory in this war, it’s Ukraine getting there land and not to mention their people back. 

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TalinH112 wrote:
Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used...

Yes we can enact further sanctions against Russia, but they are likely to have similar effects as the ones we have already levied. Russia has used Brazil, India and China to usurp the sanctions in place and continue to fund the conflict. Russia cares not about sanctions as they are willing to operate in the black market to achieve their goals while also strengthening ties with the countries they are dealing with. There are no winning solutions, there is no return to where Ukraine was before. 

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If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should...

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe...

I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe it was meant as a flex. As far as the red carpet goes I agree, that wasn’t a good decision. I believe the meeting was meant to find an end to the war, in order for that to happen you have to come to an agreement on terms. Everyone should remember the US is not involved in this war, we are a moderator. IMO we should not let our pride as Americans get in the way of a lasting peace agreement between two countries on the other side of the world, there is not a need for us to bang our chests and demand anything from anyone. We are looking to end the war, if we accomplish that through diplomatic means then we have succeeded. As I have stated, there is not victory in this conflict, everything that has been lost was for nothing and at this point an end is the only goal. 

That’s exactly what Putin is counting on: US indifference. If we pull support in Ukraine, it sends a message globally to all would-be aggressors that the Trump admin will take the easy way out. Trump can sling insults and tariffs with abandon, but he stumbles in the face of true adversity.  

He still has time to right the ship, and perhaps he’s setting Putin up for a surprise response.  I get why many just want this to be over with, Ukrainian losses be damned.  But this past week hasn’t been a good look for Trump. 

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LoudLove wrote:
If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should...

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe...

I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe it was meant as a flex. As far as the red carpet goes I agree, that wasn’t a good decision. I believe the meeting was meant to find an end to the war, in order for that to happen you have to come to an agreement on terms. Everyone should remember the US is not involved in this war, we are a moderator. IMO we should not let our pride as Americans get in the way of a lasting peace agreement between two countries on the other side of the world, there is not a need for us to bang our chests and demand anything from anyone. We are looking to end the war, if we accomplish that through diplomatic means then we have succeeded. As I have stated, there is not victory in this conflict, everything that has been lost was for nothing and at this point an end is the only goal. 

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There is victory in this war, it’s Ukraine getting there land and not to mention their people back. 

That’s never gonna happen through sanctions, you want that it’s American boots on the ground and we aren’t stopping at the fuckin border. You have to realize what your asking is not going to happen without a sharp increase in violence, death and destruction. You can’t have it both ways, want the death to stop? Make a deal, wanna try and play super hero pup and justice warrior? Keep fighting and see what happens, they stand to lose everything in this scenario not just a chunk of land that they’ve been fighting over for the last 15 years anyhow. 

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LoudLove wrote:
If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should...

If true, what’s were Trump’s intentions in meeting Putin?  From the moment Putin saw the red carpet and B2 flyover he knew the outcome.  We should have had him walk across the tarmac unescorted, no carpet, no flyover, maybe a fold-out table and a bottled water. Putin was on US soil and we treated him like a distinguished dignitary and not a ruthless  dictator. It made us look weak. 

TalinH112 wrote:
I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe...

I do not see the flyover as celebratory, I see it as a show of strength. We may differ in that opinion but I do believe it was meant as a flex. As far as the red carpet goes I agree, that wasn’t a good decision. I believe the meeting was meant to find an end to the war, in order for that to happen you have to come to an agreement on terms. Everyone should remember the US is not involved in this war, we are a moderator. IMO we should not let our pride as Americans get in the way of a lasting peace agreement between two countries on the other side of the world, there is not a need for us to bang our chests and demand anything from anyone. We are looking to end the war, if we accomplish that through diplomatic means then we have succeeded. As I have stated, there is not victory in this conflict, everything that has been lost was for nothing and at this point an end is the only goal. 

LoudLove wrote:
That’s exactly what Putin is counting on: US indifference. If we pull support in Ukraine, it sends a message globally to all would-be aggressors that the...

That’s exactly what Putin is counting on: US indifference. If we pull support in Ukraine, it sends a message globally to all would-be aggressors that the Trump admin will take the easy way out. Trump can sling insults and tariffs with abandon, but he stumbles in the face of true adversity.  

He still has time to right the ship, and perhaps he’s setting Putin up for a surprise response.  I get why many just want this to be over with, Ukrainian losses be damned.  But this past week hasn’t been a good look for Trump. 

US Indifference? I will reiterate this once more, no matter what happens from here on out, short of direct US military involvement, Ukraine is not going to be as it was before this invasion. That’s not my opinion, that is a matter of cold hard fact. They do not possess the assets, militarily or economically to push Russia out of their territory. US support will only prolong the inevitable at the expense of the US taxpayer. 

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