A message from DMXS' fearless leader, David Izer

humtercarrot 10/12/2010 8:25pm
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Al Gore invented the internet?.....That's Awesome!
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jmar 10/12/2010 8:50pm
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petegrath wrote:
Simple. Don't worry about them.

They mean nothing.
jmar wrote:
Keep in mind, all of these kids that happen to be very good at racing motorcycles, are really no different than your's, or anyone else's kids...
Keep in mind, all of these kids that happen to be very good at racing motorcycles, are really no different than your's, or anyone else's kids on boards like this.

I think we could all enjoy each other's company with out getting disrespectful with the riders, or each other for that matter.

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I agree, but you'll never silence all the critics. Never. Can't happen. So, you either deal with it or try to shut it down. But "shutting...
I agree, but you'll never silence all the critics. Never.

Can't happen. So, you either deal with it or try to shut it down. But "shutting it down" is a never ending goal. You simply can't accomplish that goal. See Soviet Russia for reference.

So, deal with it. We'd all love to live in the utopia where our kids are never criticized, and always encouraged, but that world does and will not exist.

So deal with it. If it means the parents of competitive moto racers cut their kids off from Vital, than so be it. If it means that such parents rely on the strength of character they've instilled in their professional children is enough to carry them through the experience, so be it.

Just don't be lazy asshole parents, and demand the "system" shield your kids from criticism when you should be teaching them how to deal with it yourselves. Oh, but that does take a bit of effort.

Jim, I'm just saying that once you've established the bond with your kids and shown them they've got a solid foundation, criticism isn't that much an issue.

I don't believe that Izer's, or any of the other post in this thread ask that things said that were considered out of line be shut down. He was just making a point that there can be some real assholes on boards like this, and that people should think before they hit that submit button.

I don't know how Izer's post equates to an industry verses fan thing.

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jmar wrote:
I don't believe that Izer's, or any of the other post in this thread ask that things said that were considered out of line be shut...
I don't believe that Izer's, or any of the other post in this thread ask that things said that were considered out of line be shut down. He was just making a point that there can be some real assholes on boards like this, and that people should think before they hit that submit button.

I don't know how Izer's post equates to an industry verses fan thing.

What a wonderful World this would be if people though before they acted.
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hey_man 10/12/2010 8:57pm
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All entertainment is based on conflict. The story of the Prince of Denmark would have not have lasted beyond the first quarto without Claudius and the Merchant of Venice would not have been nearly be as memorable without the "pound of flesh" arrangement. The sport of MX itself thrives on conflict. Who would want to watch a "race" where everyone wins? A championship would not mean so much if everyone was crowned at seasons end.

The message boards are no different. I agree with Izer, but what takes place here is human nature and is to be expected. The posts with the most views and pages contain the greatest amount of conflict. Conflict within a post between one or more posters feeds additional posts from the participants. The topics devoid of conflict receive little participation and fall off the board. People are motivated by anger and resentment more than contentment. Given the above and that most of the negative posts are propagated by 20-30 members (as others have pointed out), I'm not surprised at the outcome. Additionally, one person with a grudge can take on more than one handle and the ages of the posters are unknown. If some of the posts seem immature, the author could very well be less than 16 years of age.

My point is that the state of the MX message boards is to be expected. I'm with you Izer, but I also wish for world peace and a utopian society where each individual gives his best effort for the benefit of society as a whole and takes from the commons only what he truly needs.

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I read the first page and now the last so forgive me if my thoughts were already echoed. The best thing about the sport is that...
I read the first page and now the last so forgive me if my thoughts were already echoed.

The best thing about the sport is that fans get to interact with riders and industry people on boards such as Vital.

The worst thing about the sport is that fans get to interact with riders and industry people on boards such as Vital.

If riders/managers/promoters/media are going to come on here and read things and maybe join up then that's awesome. If there are pro riders with secret accounts (you know who they are GuyB!) that come on here to talk to fans, that's also kind of awesome.

The downside is the amazing power that fans on here think they have. "I'll never buy a such and such.." and " I'll never like such and such because.." and they think they are to be taken seriously. If you have 50K people at a supercross, I would venture to say that there are maybe 50-100 people in that stadium that now about Vitalmx.com. That's not power of the people.

Just come on here, bench race, give out your opinions but why do it in a jack-assery way? That's what gives it a bad name in my opinion. There are some real douchebags on here, no doubt about it but if you wade through the crap, you find some diamonds once in a while.

I do believe that Feld and DC take the opinions on here way too seriously. It's good to have a finger on the pulse of what Vital thinks but go out into a crowd at one of your events to get the real message of what is going on. Don't rely on Vital to give you opinions on your race program.

As far as industry people getting butt-hurt about what is on here, I tell them all that if that is your biggest worry-your life must be pretty good. Laugh, shrug it off and keep on keeping on. You'll never make everyone in life (or on Vital!) happy!
Well said Steve.

I would say that you and Izer have the same writer but Izer used much bigger words than you did. Tongue
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jemcee 10/12/2010 9:27pm
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all i ask is throw a 'in my opinion" in every now and again or
"he beat him" NOT "he gapped him by minutes and he'll never win again cause he's got no heart cause he's weak mentally"
Give your opinion as it is, an opinion, not a fact

in other words post exactly the opposite way that, that RMZ wanker used to post

and if making someone you've never met angry on the internet or starting a shitty rumour or belittling someone you would most likely turn to water if you ever met is entertainment for you

odds are i won't like you as a person
rockcrawlerdude 10/12/2010 9:33pm
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Uhhhhhhhh I think you just might be a classic example of who Izer is talking about lol Further more I think you've completely missed his point...
Uhhhhhhhh I think you just might be a classic example of who Izer is talking about lol
Further more I think you've completely missed his point.

Bravo David, well said.

Paul
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While I agree w/Izer at the same time I agree with alphado as well. I believe mx has the most fragile ,yet overblown , egos humanly...
While I agree w/Izer at the same time I agree with alphado as well. I believe mx has the most fragile ,yet overblown , egos humanly possible. I go out of my way , but at times can't help myself, to be as gentle as I can when expressing my opinions on a rider on here. I personally don't think I should have to though. I think riders should know we are just fans shooting the shit and every last one of us would give our left nuts to be as talented as they are. We are here on this message board to bench race. When bench racing about a sport certain players, riders etc.. get slammed but that's just the nature of talking sports. Just like yesterday I was talking smack to my friend who's from Pitt and is a huge steeler fan and I called 85% of his players bums. I'm sure if I said that on a board the players ,if by some weird chance they saw it, would shrug it off as part of being a player in the lime light. No more no less. I say the riders needed to grow some thicker skin or stay away from the boards.
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In all seriousness (enough with the Jerry Maguire quotes already lol), I totally see what Alpo is trying to say, I just think he’s a bit...
In all seriousness (enough with the Jerry Maguire quotes already lol), I totally see what Alpo is trying to say, I just think he’s a bit misguided on his intentions.

I think one of the better points that Izer made is the whole anonymity thing. We’ve actually talked about this a thousand times before on motonews: I just think people can obviously bench race and have whatever opinion they want, they’re certainly entitled to it. But when you come in a place like this and post such a strong opinion without people knowing who you are, it seems kind of pointless. On a message board like this, in a sport as small as this, it really is like you’re standing in a room full of riders and industry people, and you’re basically calling someone out right to their face, but at the same time hiding behind the computer screen. In other words, people can talk tough all they want but I seriously doubt many on here would have the balls to literally walk up to a rider in the pits and say some of those things to his face. Being in here is almost like doing that so I think some of the harsher opinions should be kept amongst the private bench racing sessions between you and your friends at home.

Aren't we as "industry pussy's" entitled to use this forum as well?

Paul
if you can arrange it id gladly tell JBS how disappointed i was to his face that he didnt race the rest of the outdoors "for the fans" like he said he would and no he didnt owe it to us until he said it was for us... damn we just want to see him ride wether its for 1st or 10th!
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mxxer126 10/12/2010 11:44pm
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People bagging on the riders ARE piles of shit no doubt. But if you want a lesson in internet humility go read 4chan, SA, or the 'yad(few probably even know what those are). Those are gnarly boards that actually fuck up lives. The trolls here suck at their job but the thing is is they actually believe the shit they post so I guess their not actually trolls but dumb ass'.
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alphado wrote:
Riders and the rest of the industry people need to quit posting here. It gives credibility to people that don't deserve it. Fans have the right...
Riders and the rest of the industry people need to quit posting here. It gives credibility to people that don't deserve it.

Fans have the right to cheer for their favorties and boo the ones they don't like. I can go to a ball game and boo the other team's batter and that is fine. Why can't I boo a rider that I don't like?

No other sport lets every day fans influence it like mx does. Truly it shows what a backwoods event that it is.

All you pussy industry poeple out there go away. Stick and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you. Leave the fans alone and let us be fans. We don't have to like all the riders and we can say whatever we want to about them.
alphado,

I agree, well put!

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Let me get this straight, a guy who asks riders if they have ever been caught masturbating, if they've ever shaved their junk, and other ridiculous stuff is complaining about folks posting stuff on a bulletin board like this one? Really?

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alphado 10/13/2010 3:36am
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After reading all of this I think GuyB should do the sport a big favor and delete the forums from Vital.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Let me get this straight, a guy who asks riders if they have ever been caught masturbating, if they've ever shaved their junk, and other ridiculous...
Let me get this straight, a guy who asks riders if they have ever been caught masturbating, if they've ever shaved their junk, and other ridiculous stuff is complaining about folks posting stuff on a bulletin board like this one? Really?

Best post ever!
Izer needs to STFU on parenting the fans. The whole topic has been discussed countless times and ALWAYS during the off season, go figure.....
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Izer,

You are so far fucking out of line in your thinking it baffles the mind.
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alphado 10/13/2010 5:01am
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Izer is a good guy, probably the nicest guy in the sport. Maybe his only fault is that he is too nice.
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Crash82 10/13/2010 5:14am
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4mxonly wrote:
Truer words were never spoken in this short editorial written by David Izer on Vurb Moto's website. [url=http://www.vurbmoto.com/dmxs/blogs/2/airstrike/]Click Here[/url] to read, or see transcript below: [b]“For...
Truer words were never spoken in this short editorial written by David Izer on Vurb Moto's website. Click Here to read, or see transcript below:

“For the record, it's my call. Dump everything you’ve got left on my position. I say again, expend all remaining in my perimeter. It's a lovely fu#$*ing war. Bravo Six out.” This quote is from a climactic scene in Oliver Stone’sPlatoon where Captain Harris realizes the enemy has overrun his perimeter and reluctantly calls in an airstrike on his own position to try and stop the enemy’s progress. I know this is a huge stretch for a comparison, but I’m calling in a strike on our sport to help some regain a little perspective on just how insane the infighting and tearing down of riders and our sport has become on some message boards.

Why did you get involved in motocross? What was it about this sport that you loved enough to be a lifelong fan? As I read most of the visceral posts on message boards I often wonder if folks forget why they loved motocross in the first place. Just like most of you, I followed in my father’s footsteps and was lucky enough to have my family follow in mine, but this incessant destructive theme lately has been a buzz kill to say the least.

I think we all enjoy good bench racing, but the majority of the negative banter is not even a coherent debate, rather venom spewed just for the bite. All of our sport’s greats have taken their turn on the shit-slinging wagon and nobody is immune from the fickle mob and it’s seemingly rudderless agenda and piling on mentality. The final ingredient to this message board pseudo-bravado is anonymity. I want to kick Al Gore in the knee for inventing the internet every time I see another coward hiding behind an unoriginal username questioning the heart of a former champion like Stewart or Reed, or indulging in a fact-less character assassination under the same pretense. If you have all the answers to the sport’s riddles and rider’s problems, at least have the balls to take credit with your real name somewhere in your diatribe.

Some of my best friends are agents for change and advocates for maintaining the history of the sport and I sincerely respect their passion. I think a healthy debate is always needed for the growth of the sport and expressing that is the right of every fan. I have no problem with that and will do the same as I defend my positions, but the lack of civility and respect speaks to the devolution of forums and the one- upsmanship to be the bigger asshole. What do get if you win?

The mind-numbing circle jerk is officially being called out. Our sport is under attack from enough outside sources and we have plenty to defend without worrying about grenades thrown inside our own perimeter. There is plenty of room in the middle to get a point or opinion across without having to resort to personal attacks and innuendos or statements based on ignorance. Just simply remember why you loved motocross in the first place and act accordingly.

David Izer
Actually I think it's "I guess you didn't get my point," or "I guess I didn't get my point across."

I think with proper grammar and good fellowship we can go places we never dreamed at Vital! I'm in! Ya'll dip your toast in your grits up in the OK?
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Crash82 10/13/2010 5:17am
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alphado wrote:
Izer is a good guy, probably the nicest guy in the sport. Maybe his only fault is that he is too nice.
Sent me a "Believe the Hype" shirt and didn't even know me, straight up out of the goodness of his heart. He's good people.
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alphado wrote:
Izer is a good guy, probably the nicest guy in the sport. Maybe his only fault is that he is too nice.
Crash82 wrote:
Sent me a "Believe the Hype" shirt and didn't even know me, straight up out of the goodness of his heart. He's good people.
it's awesome how free T-shirts win people over!

if any one wants to be my friend send me a Shirt!

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Crash82 10/13/2010 5:26am
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It wasn't just a "shirt " dude....
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petegrath 10/13/2010 5:39am
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jmar wrote:
I don't believe that Izer's, or any of the other post in this thread ask that things said that were considered out of line be shut...
I don't believe that Izer's, or any of the other post in this thread ask that things said that were considered out of line be shut down. He was just making a point that there can be some real assholes on boards like this, and that people should think before they hit that submit button.

I don't know how Izer's post equates to an industry verses fan thing.

Nah, for sure dude. Not implying that Izer was calling for a shut down of critics at all. Just a call for some friggin' self restraint from some of the "fans". No doubt.

But I don't think it will ever happen completely, and there might be temptation to "click" the critics around here. I think GuyB does a great job with showing restraint, and taking out the trash when it needs to go. However, there are many calls for certain members to be banned and I don't think it's necessary.

Again, I'm just amazed that the riders give anonymous keyboard jockeys that kind of power over them. But I still think the original message was intended for the "insiders" that come here with an axe to grind.
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Why did we start riding dirt bikes? When I was a kid, I wanted one, worked my parents over til they let me buy one, and have been riding them ever since 1973. Yes, I'm an old bastard.

I didn't read every piece in these 6 pages, but like everyone else, have some opinions.

1- I enjoy hearing from people inside the industry here at Vital.
2- There are idiots on every message board, Vital is no different.
3- Opinions are like a**holes...

Taking reasonable input from message boards isn't a bad thing. Letting message board input shape direction, or develope lifelong enemies is just ridiculous.

"Back in the old days" before we had all this instant access over the internet, it seems many of todays issues weren't out there. Multi million dollar contracts also have a way of changing the game a bit.

We had a 900 number to call after the races were done to get results. Today, if the live TV coverage or the on line providers don't have everything perfect the message boards light up with complaints about how shitty everything is..

We actually had to go outside of the house to meet people.. No texting, skyping, message boarding or being up on what CR22 twittered about his potential new ride..

I think GuyB is a genuinely nice guy. He has to walk a tight rope, and does a pretty fair job although a few would debate that.

The level of self restraint, and or just plain old respect in the world today is at a much different level than it use to be. Just take a look over in non-moto if you want to see some real gems..

I'm going to continue coming to Vital and other boards, have some fun, be respectful, and enjoy the sport. That's my right and no one can take that away. "well, Guyb can if I get out of line" If it's not as much fun coming here, I'll probably just stop, No one will even notice, and my life will go on with out a hitch.

For those that feel Vital, and other boards are just plain bad, go take a look at the thread named "Vital Member Down". That is the kind of thread that really says a lot about the people spending time here.
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petegrath 10/13/2010 6:53am
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Crash82 wrote:
Actually I think it's "I guess you didn't get my point," or "I guess I didn't get my point across." I think with proper grammar and...
Actually I think it's "I guess you didn't get my point," or "I guess I didn't get my point across."

I think with proper grammar and good fellowship we can go places we never dreamed at Vital! I'm in! Ya'll dip your toast in your grits up in the OK?
Ha! Yeah, I had a mental "vapor-lock" on that one. Sounded good in my brain...
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jmar wrote:
[i]Since we're on the subject of accountability and everybody wants to know who everybody is, why don't some of the pros who use anonymous log-ins post...
Since we're on the subject of accountability and everybody wants to know who everybody is, why don't some of the pros who use anonymous log-ins post up their user names.

Hey Rooster

I can't speak for Canada, but there are not a lot of pro's posting here on vital.

BTW: Why all the venom with LB. He's a fine example of how speaking the truth can come back to haunt you at a place like this.

With that said, it really doesn't matter what any of us thinks, or say's? We are not the target market for those who are funding this sport.
zookrider62! wrote:
I believe the venom with LB jas mainly to do with LBs facts were more opinion then fact
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Say's who? You, and a few other's that didn't like hearing what LB thinks to be fact? Honestly, who know's more about the inner working's at...
Say's who?

You, and a few other's that didn't like hearing what LB thinks to be fact?
Honestly, who know's more about the inner working's at this level?

If you don't like who LB works for, then fine. But that doesn't automatically make him wrong.
Who does LB work for? I know that LB knows more about the inner workings then pretty much anyone on this board, but I also know he gave his opinion on plenty of matters, and when others would disagree he would get upset.
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MX4EVR 10/13/2010 9:49am
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How sad that rich racers who have had everything handed to them and get lucky and not only make it big in this sport but a few have raised to rockstar level and there not only, IN THE PUBLIC EYE BUT THERE ALSO ALL OVER THE INTERNET TWANKING ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT! They set themselves up for all the ridicule. Tuff Shit, grow some balls and be lucky that you have a great gig going.
Maybe they should have done 4 years defending there country ( I did ) and they would learn that reactions to words is weak.

How bout you tell Reed to head on down to his local hospital burn ward this year in december once a week and go eat lunch with the kids and do something other than posting pics of his ass in different gear and taking out his frustrations of (not geting 10 mill/yr after a poor result season) out on us with all the drama.


Bling Bling that bitchez!
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i think most of the older seasoned riders could give a shit bout the net ball busting. the younger ones... maybe not.

but what kinda bothered me was when the shit talk about ryan dungey was going around i learned a few things. i talked to his mom and dad...mostly his mom quite a bit and i'd like to think we became friends and it really seemed to bother Michelle.

gotta remember most of the racers today are still kids or very young adults and mom and pops don't really appreciate the bullshit crap talk about their son or daughter. saying they're slow or can't win is one thing but calling into question their "manly hood" or stupid shit like that is fucking bullshit. just as eid eluded to when shit talk was on here about Malcolm, most of you fucks don't know shit and can't ride any better but most of all this is a kid yer anonymously bagging on and that is, for lack of a better word...chickenshit.
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BobbyM 10/13/2010 9:53am
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MX4EVR wrote:
How sad that rich racers who have had everything handed to them and get lucky and not only make it big in this sport but a...
How sad that rich racers who have had everything handed to them and get lucky and not only make it big in this sport but a few have raised to rockstar level and there not only, IN THE PUBLIC EYE BUT THERE ALSO ALL OVER THE INTERNET TWANKING ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT! They set themselves up for all the ridicule. Tuff Shit, grow some balls and be lucky that you have a great gig going.
Maybe they should have done 4 years defending there country ( I did ) and they would learn that reactions to words is weak.

How bout you tell Reed to head on down to his local hospital burn ward this year in december once a week and go eat lunch with the kids and do something other than posting pics of his ass in different gear and taking out his frustrations of (not geting 10 mill/yr after a poor result season) out on us with all the drama.


Bling Bling that bitchez!
fugger off with yer quilt trip..what makes you think reed gives a flying turd about any of this?

bet yer a dick in real life ain't cha?

further more you can bling bling my ding ding fooooo....
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MBBadgers 10/13/2010 9:57am
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I think what everyone is missing here, yes there are chat boards all over and people will be a**holes, but the difference in motocross versus the other sports, there are 1,000's upon 1,000's of NFL or MLB chat boards in motocross there is less then 20 I bet, maybe less then 10, so yes it hits close to home for motocross types. I'm sure if you googled the Pittsburgh Steelers, there's 100's of chat boards for them alone. People come to Vital for a reason, have you been to the other boards? I came here because people seemed more knowledgeable of the sport, I like that, I also like all the different opinions, I just don't like the bullying mentality and the personal attacks.
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zookrider62! wrote:
I believe the venom with LB jas mainly to do with LBs facts were more opinion then fact
jmar wrote:
Say's who? You, and a few other's that didn't like hearing what LB thinks to be fact? Honestly, who know's more about the inner working's at...
Say's who?

You, and a few other's that didn't like hearing what LB thinks to be fact?
Honestly, who know's more about the inner working's at this level?

If you don't like who LB works for, then fine. But that doesn't automatically make him wrong.
zookrider62! wrote:
Who does LB work for? I know that LB knows more about the inner workings then pretty much anyone on this board, but I also know...
Who does LB work for? I know that LB knows more about the inner workings then pretty much anyone on this board, but I also know he gave his opinion on plenty of matters, and when others would disagree he would get upset.
i must admit, early in larrys mx forum career he may have projected some "stupid post reaction anger" but after learning some key "bobbymx forum do's and don'ts" he is doing just fine at this time. Smile
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txmxer 10/13/2010 10:20am
10/13/2010 10:20am
APLMAN99 wrote:
Let me get this straight, a guy who asks riders if they have ever been caught masturbating, if they've ever shaved their junk, and other ridiculous...
Let me get this straight, a guy who asks riders if they have ever been caught masturbating, if they've ever shaved their junk, and other ridiculous stuff is complaining about folks posting stuff on a bulletin board like this one? Really?

hahaha...this may be the best post in this entire thread. He did ask "the Man" if he was a show-er or a grow-er.


That said, I don't think many of the folks that have responded to this thread are really the ones that the subject is addressed to. We all know the trolls and the fishermen. It's obvious when they post crap to try and push buttons.

For me as a fan, I agree with the sentiment that I don't like the hate and venom spewed out continually at certain riders---or between certain posters. Of course, I've been caught up in a few nets over the years myself...but, generally try to avoid it now. Regardless, having some measure of freedom in posting is necessary or else you might as well drop the forums all together.

As far as anonymity goes. Half the people on here you don't know and wouldn't give a crap who they were if you had their real name (me included). The anonymous industry folks don't want to unmask and they are given a generic pass on the issue...so, it really doesn't matter who anybody is in "real" life.

Of course, I've met/corresponded with numerous folks here and they can vouch for me that I'm a nobody.
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lucero10x 10/13/2010 11:13am
10/13/2010 11:13am
newmann wrote:
Lucero, Matthes responded to a thread of mine in about the same manner that TBTeam ripped him a new asshole. That thread about some passionate Italian...
Lucero, Matthes responded to a thread of mine in about the same manner that TBTeam ripped him a new asshole. That thread about some passionate Italian moto enthusiats building their own bike, showing up and being allowed to compete turned into a nine page shitstorm. Matthes got it wrong and plenty of people let him know it.

But to go back to the original post in this thread as well as Alphado's response, one of Matthes comments about me fell somewhere in the middle of their two points. " I just reached a point where I know what Newmann is all about ". Really? From one viewpoint I have about the sport on a message board, he knows everything about me? That speaks volumes about the fragile egos of some of the so called "insiders " in this sport we all love. The shit slinging goes both ways. Matthes threw a handful and and more than one got thrown back. I don't take him too serious and in no way got butt hurt over his remarks. It's a message board.

Best part about it was no one was injured and we all lived to play another day. Smile
Who cares what the post was about I was speaking on the fact that what I said, had it been in the same opinion as the moderator, it would have been applauded, but since it was against his view, I got a small vacation.

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