Cooper Webb buys Top Gun MX

side-pipe wrote:

hope it doesn't go the way of moto40.  It was cool to see and hear Chad on the equipment and radios when he was there.  once...

hope it doesn't go the way of moto40.  It was cool to see and hear Chad on the equipment and radios when he was there.  once he had his fun with it someone else bought and kept it for themselves.  

thatswhathappens wrote:

…I didn’t want to be the first to say it, lol

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

How does it compare to other Nc tracks?

sgrimmxdad wrote:

Its a decent smaller track with LOTS of potential.  We held an AMA race there a few years back.  I am personally super excited to see...

Its a decent smaller track with LOTS of potential.  We held an AMA race there a few years back.  I am personally super excited to see what CW2 does with the place.  We'd love to carry the state series back there again!!!

GrapeApe wrote:

I don't think it's Webb-throating, I just think people are tired of your shtick. You're making fat jokes in a thread about a guy investing at...

I don't think it's Webb-throating, I just think people are tired of your shtick. You're making fat jokes in a thread about a guy investing at the grass roots level in his home state.

brocster wrote:

For him to be so fixated on “fat” is an indicator of trauma at some time in his life by something or someone fat…Maybe he gets...

For him to be so fixated on “fat” is an indicator of trauma at some time in his life by something or someone fat…

Maybe he gets his ass spanked by a fat guy every week on the track or…

PNWMXer wrote:

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite...

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite being fit in college, she was very overweight all through elementary/middle school.

TbonesPop wrote:

So with Coop owning this and obviously is wealthy given his SX/MX earnings, how does he set up the business to completely isolate himself personally from...

So with Coop owning this and obviously is wealthy given his SX/MX earnings, how does he set up the business to completely isolate himself personally from any money hungry attorney's coming after his coin if there is a bad accident where someone gets hurt?  I hate this litigation society we live in, but it is what it is.  How does he set up the business?

brocster wrote:

For him to be so fixated on “fat” is an indicator of trauma at some time in his life by something or someone fat…Maybe he gets...

For him to be so fixated on “fat” is an indicator of trauma at some time in his life by something or someone fat…

Maybe he gets his ass spanked by a fat guy every week on the track or…

PNWMXer wrote:

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite...

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite being fit in college, she was very overweight all through elementary/middle school.

Herr Lich wrote:

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get...

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get fat when he retires that's entirely up to him. It's a bad choice but it's up to him. My problem is with any highly paid athlete showing up to work in a manner that doesn't match the performance required of them. Webb has done this on several occasions. Who you guys would be happy to employ someone that shows up to work pissed half the time, for example, that is up to you.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Sounds like a retirement is coming soon.

Herr Lich wrote:

Indeed. He know's what he's up agains (see link below). He also knows he's done a lot with not as much as others. I think his...

Indeed. He know's what he's up agains (see link below). He also knows he's done a lot with not as much as others. I think his wins and championships largely come from his hitting a strange period where no one was really dominating. Post Dunge and Pre Jett. The two most gifted of this interim period both should have dominated but didn't. Kenny because of brutal injuries, and Eli due to strange bad rides. You can put Chase in the Eli section also. The days of no-domination are over.

https://racerxonline.com/2025/07/24/webb-on-lawrence-he-will-be-the-best-to-ever-do-it-in-my-personal-opinion-when-its-said-and-done

 

PNWMXer wrote:

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite...

Or he used to be. Gal in my dorm in college used to absolutely trash on anyone who was overweight. Came to find out that despite being fit in college, she was very overweight all through elementary/middle school.

Herr Lich wrote:

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get...

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get fat when he retires that's entirely up to him. It's a bad choice but it's up to him. My problem is with any highly paid athlete showing up to work in a manner that doesn't match the performance required of them. Webb has done this on several occasions. Who you guys would be happy to employ someone that shows up to work pissed half the time, for example, that is up to you.

Farmer J wrote:

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for...

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for endurance isn't going to look like someone training for body building. Just like the biggest bodybuilder out there that looks fit with all the muscles wont be as strong as a smaller powerlifter with far less muscle mass. You don't win 6 championships being fat lazy and out of shape. Ive witnessed guys that are legitimately fat out run guys with 6 packs that live in the gym. The reason is they train for certain things. Another thing here is he's been pretty open about his struggles and health problems. One reason he can't get crazy lean. You remind me of the guys that laughed at me when I entered a strongman competition open to the public at the Arnold classic in 2011. At roughly 6'2 190 people were laughing because guys at 240-260 all bulked up were struggling.  I made easy work of it and won. Multiple people came up to me after and were in shock. So again you can't judge someone's fitness or strength based on physical appearance. 

TbonesPop wrote:

So with Coop owning this and obviously is wealthy given his SX/MX earnings, how does he set up the business to completely isolate himself personally from...

So with Coop owning this and obviously is wealthy given his SX/MX earnings, how does he set up the business to completely isolate himself personally from any money hungry attorney's coming after his coin if there is a bad accident where someone gets hurt?  I hate this litigation society we live in, but it is what it is.  How does he set up the business?

Herr Lich wrote:

Thanks ChatGPT. Some of this is not applicable as I assume the track will be for public use and is charging fees. How a Property Owner...

Thanks ChatGPT. Some of this is not applicable as I assume the track will be for public use and is charging fees. 

How a Property Owner Can Protect Themselves
Adequate Insurance

If the track charges fees or is open to the public, carry at least the statutorily required $1M/$2M liability insurance. (Insurance Mandate (N.C. Gen. Stat. Chapter 66, Article 47): For motocross facilities that charge fees or are open to public, the law (effective July 1, 2019) requires carrying at least $1 million per occurrence and $2 million aggregate liability insurance for injuries related to ATV or off‑road motorcycle operation. Facilities that are private, not open to the public, and do not charge fees are exempt).

In private-use cases, still consider liability coverage, perhaps in the $2M+ range, which is standard for such high-risk facilities 

Use Enforceable Waivers

Have all riders sign a written, carefully drafted liability release and assumption-of-risk form before use. These should clearly define inherent risks and release the owner from ordinary negligence, crafted to avoid statutory or public-policy issues.
 

Maintain and Inspect Regularly

Conduct frequent inspections, remove or mark hazards (e.g. buried objects, poor jumps), and fix known unsafe conditions.

Provide visible warnings for hidden dangers and maintain records of inspections and repairs.

Clearly Define Use Conditions

Limit track access to only invited riders if private-use. Charging any fee or advertising public access places the owner into the commercial category and triggers insurance requirements and higher duty of care.

Follow Statute on Recreation

If operating without charge, ensure compliance with Chapter 38A, meaning no fee is charged and no promotion. This may reduce liability to that of a trespasser duty—but automatic disclaimers may not suffice for gross negligence or willful misconduct

Herr Lich wrote:

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get...

You guys and your theories crack me up. My beef, as everyone knows, is not with Webb being fat per se. If he wants to get fat when he retires that's entirely up to him. It's a bad choice but it's up to him. My problem is with any highly paid athlete showing up to work in a manner that doesn't match the performance required of them. Webb has done this on several occasions. Who you guys would be happy to employ someone that shows up to work pissed half the time, for example, that is up to you.

Farmer J wrote:

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for...

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for endurance isn't going to look like someone training for body building. Just like the biggest bodybuilder out there that looks fit with all the muscles wont be as strong as a smaller powerlifter with far less muscle mass. You don't win 6 championships being fat lazy and out of shape. Ive witnessed guys that are legitimately fat out run guys with 6 packs that live in the gym. The reason is they train for certain things. Another thing here is he's been pretty open about his struggles and health problems. One reason he can't get crazy lean. You remind me of the guys that laughed at me when I entered a strongman competition open to the public at the Arnold classic in 2011. At roughly 6'2 190 people were laughing because guys at 240-260 all bulked up were struggling.  I made easy work of it and won. Multiple people came up to me after and were in shock. So again you can't judge someone's fitness or strength based on physical appearance. 

Herr Lich wrote:

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.Here's Webb...

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.

Here's Webb himself on his lard arse moments:

“I went all in this year," he added. "I think like Rich [Simmons, team manager] said in his interview, we sat down for coffee. He told me I was fat and I need to get my shit together and I said, 'You're right.' I made it a priority. I put my head forward. I woke up every day, grinded. I’ve got to give it up to my team, you know, everyone says it, but they truly push me to be the best version of myself every day. My teammates, my training partners, you know, J-Coop has been very underestimated as a training partner and teammate, and he pushes me every day."

Good on Webb for admitting it. He admits his faults much more than his fans seemingly...

Herr Lich wrote:

Down voting North Carolina law? Weirdos.

Farmer J wrote:

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for...

As someone whose been around fitness for roughly 26 years and did the ace certified training course you're very far off. For one someone training for endurance isn't going to look like someone training for body building. Just like the biggest bodybuilder out there that looks fit with all the muscles wont be as strong as a smaller powerlifter with far less muscle mass. You don't win 6 championships being fat lazy and out of shape. Ive witnessed guys that are legitimately fat out run guys with 6 packs that live in the gym. The reason is they train for certain things. Another thing here is he's been pretty open about his struggles and health problems. One reason he can't get crazy lean. You remind me of the guys that laughed at me when I entered a strongman competition open to the public at the Arnold classic in 2011. At roughly 6'2 190 people were laughing because guys at 240-260 all bulked up were struggling.  I made easy work of it and won. Multiple people came up to me after and were in shock. So again you can't judge someone's fitness or strength based on physical appearance. 

Herr Lich wrote:

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.Here's Webb...

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.

Here's Webb himself on his lard arse moments:

“I went all in this year," he added. "I think like Rich [Simmons, team manager] said in his interview, we sat down for coffee. He told me I was fat and I need to get my shit together and I said, 'You're right.' I made it a priority. I put my head forward. I woke up every day, grinded. I’ve got to give it up to my team, you know, everyone says it, but they truly push me to be the best version of myself every day. My teammates, my training partners, you know, J-Coop has been very underestimated as a training partner and teammate, and he pushes me every day."

Good on Webb for admitting it. He admits his faults much more than his fans seemingly...

Farmer J wrote:

You're missing my point. I never said he wasn't fat at times. What I said is you can't judge someone's strength or fitness based off of...

You're missing my point. I never said he wasn't fat at times. What I said is you can't judge someone's strength or fitness based off of physical appearance. You insist he was lazy, not training, and eating burgers on the couch. You said he wasn't performing, he has 6 championships. How many racers can say that? He's up on the all time lists. You said he fell into an era with no one dominating giving excuses for the other guys as to why they lost to webb. His record shows he's pretty dominant. Or we can use your theory hes fat and lazy. What does that say about the other guys he beat then? That would be pathetic getting beat by someone like that. I along with webb think jett is the next great but he also just lost to webb this past season and webb was the only guy to take it to the last race with him in 24. Want to blame injuries? Let's use that excuse then as to why webb lost in 24.  "My problem is with any highly paid athlete showing up to work in a manner that doesn't match the performance required of them." Have you seen Pat Mahomes?

Herr Lich wrote:

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.Here's Webb...

Fair enough, I'll take the Hashimoto claim of Webb's onboard. However, it's impact if treated is small and cannot explain all of Webb's lardier moments.

Here's Webb himself on his lard arse moments:

“I went all in this year," he added. "I think like Rich [Simmons, team manager] said in his interview, we sat down for coffee. He told me I was fat and I need to get my shit together and I said, 'You're right.' I made it a priority. I put my head forward. I woke up every day, grinded. I’ve got to give it up to my team, you know, everyone says it, but they truly push me to be the best version of myself every day. My teammates, my training partners, you know, J-Coop has been very underestimated as a training partner and teammate, and he pushes me every day."

Good on Webb for admitting it. He admits his faults much more than his fans seemingly...

Farmer J wrote:

You're missing my point. I never said he wasn't fat at times. What I said is you can't judge someone's strength or fitness based off of...

You're missing my point. I never said he wasn't fat at times. What I said is you can't judge someone's strength or fitness based off of physical appearance. You insist he was lazy, not training, and eating burgers on the couch. You said he wasn't performing, he has 6 championships. How many racers can say that? He's up on the all time lists. You said he fell into an era with no one dominating giving excuses for the other guys as to why they lost to webb. His record shows he's pretty dominant. Or we can use your theory hes fat and lazy. What does that say about the other guys he beat then? That would be pathetic getting beat by someone like that. I along with webb think jett is the next great but he also just lost to webb this past season and webb was the only guy to take it to the last race with him in 24. Want to blame injuries? Let's use that excuse then as to why webb lost in 24.  "My problem is with any highly paid athlete showing up to work in a manner that doesn't match the performance required of them." Have you seen Pat Mahomes?

bodycast wrote:

I got passed by a dude last year at a local hairscramble with a beer gut like I was tied to a tree.  He got 4th...

I got passed by a dude last year at a local hairscramble with a beer gut like I was tied to a tree.  He got 4th overall.  It was 100 degrees that day.  He got off his bike and wasn't even sweating, received his plaque for winning his class and drove off.  Amazing.

ButteryWaffles wrote:

Herr Lich's frustration and lashing out probably comes from his inability to deal with the fact that he hates himself. Hope you can find some peace...

Herr Lich's frustration and lashing out probably comes from his inability to deal with the fact that he hates himself. Hope you can find some peace, brother, because you're an annoying prick.

lumpy790 wrote:

Wish he would pickup Iron City too. 

bodycast wrote:

Its a great location aswell.  Pretty close to charlotte and other suburban places.  Nc and sc actually have a pretty strong mx/offroad following.   Feels like...

Its a great location aswell.  Pretty close to charlotte and other suburban places.  

Nc and sc actually have a pretty strong mx/offroad following.   Feels like 1 in 5 households around here rides.

bodycast wrote:

Its a great location aswell.  Pretty close to charlotte and other suburban places.  Nc and sc actually have a pretty strong mx/offroad following.   Feels like...

Its a great location aswell.  Pretty close to charlotte and other suburban places.  

Nc and sc actually have a pretty strong mx/offroad following.   Feels like 1 in 5 households around here rides.

KHNC wrote:

I raced at Top Gun MX in the 90's . Was a fun track. That was at least two owners ago though. Have not been there...

I raced at Top Gun MX in the 90's . Was a fun track. That was at least two owners ago though. Have not been there in years. Sounds like I need to check out practice day again sometime. 

lumpy790 wrote:

Wish he would pickup Iron City too. 

JustMX wrote:

Iron city has a lot of issues that hold back its potential.Main one being that parking is across the road and slopes away from the valley...

Iron city has a lot of issues that hold back its potential.

Main one being that parking is across the road and slopes away from the valley the track us built in.

So all access to and from the track is either crossing a road or through a 12' tunnel under the road.

Only reliable source of water is city water and it us pretty expensive.

Dirt is really funky. It turns unto peanut butter when it gets wet, even if you have it compacted. It gets soft, and it gets soft deep on jump faces and other places you would not expect.

It has elevation, which is nice, but with the dirt doing like it does, you end up with erosion ruts 3' wide and 3' deep.

A lot have tried, and left money there, including me.

Dont think the owners are interested in running it either.

Their other businesses are much more lucrative.

Would not be surprised if the parking lot ends up an rv campground for baby boomers who want to go to the new 3 kings casino about 7 miles up the road.

bodycast wrote:

While he is at it go down and re open TNT.  I learned to ride there.  Miss those days!

AMetts wrote:

I raced at Top Gun a few times growing up and now I live about 4 miles away, its a nice place but lately they have...

I raced at Top Gun a few times growing up and now I live about 4 miles away, its a nice place but lately they have only been doing races and Wednesday night practice which is tough to get to after work usually. 

I dont know what he bought it for but I know it was listed for $650,000, I could see him putting some money into it and just continuing with it being a cool local track maybe opening up for weekend practices hopefully. 

bodycast wrote:

While he is at it go down and re open TNT.  I learned to ride there.  Miss those days!

lumpy790 wrote:

I am 100% with you there!

RIP Barbra 

AMetts wrote:

I raced at Top Gun a few times growing up and now I live about 4 miles away, its a nice place but lately they have...

I raced at Top Gun a few times growing up and now I live about 4 miles away, its a nice place but lately they have only been doing races and Wednesday night practice which is tough to get to after work usually. 

I dont know what he bought it for but I know it was listed for $650,000, I could see him putting some money into it and just continuing with it being a cool local track maybe opening up for weekend practices hopefully. 

KHNC wrote:

Ever know a woman named Lisa Shelton from Lincolnton? Met her a few times at Myrtle Beach in the 80's and early 90's. She came to...

Ever know a woman named Lisa Shelton from Lincolnton? Met her a few times at Myrtle Beach in the 80's and early 90's. She came to watch me race at Top Gun once in the 90's. 

 

As for Iron City, my buddy that runs 221MX and Catheys Creek ran Iron City for a while. Told me it was tough track to deal with. Ive never seen it before though.