Lorettas DQ

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Renner153 wrote:
This happens just about every year at Loretta’s. Heck, go to your local night race series and it is happening. It’s not that big of a...

This happens just about every year at Loretta’s. Heck, go to your local night race series and it is happening. It’s not that big of a deal. The only reason it’s even a thing is because of who got caught. Otherwise you probably never hear a word about it

yak651 wrote:

Come on man, how good of friends are you with the Rays?

Renner153 wrote:
I wouldn’t say I’m very good friends. Have t talked to them in years. I just know how the PW class is. Happens almost every year...

I wouldn’t say I’m very good friends. Have t talked to them in years. I just know how the PW class is. Happens almost every year. My dad builds a ton of them and it’s a thing at every national and local race. The PW dads are the worst when it comes to cheating for their kids. 

It doesn’t happen every year. I think Weege said the last time was early 2000’s or something. 

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Sully wrote:

Is 2cc's over the limit?

971_Fan wrote:

Yes. But why did Tyler gave whp for a fully modded pw50. Not one 2cc's past the allowed cc's. 

If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that to say "I am not condoning cheating...unless it's Deegan" because;

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dkurtd wrote:

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Try 4.8573771, if you're into splitting hairs.

Was it cheating?  Yup. Should it have been done?  Nope. 

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Money wrote:

Here’s the real question is how the hell do you get a titanium pw shaft? 

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Sully wrote:
If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that...

If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that to say "I am not condoning cheating...unless it's Deegan" because;

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Show me where I condoned cheating. 😘

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

Keefers out to lunch. Then he tried to peddle the ‘the ray’s bought the bike used and didn’t know what was done to it’. Yea right. 

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

yak651 wrote:
Yeah he’s lost a little integrity this week. Hiding the triumph issue and covering for the cheaters. Surprising take since the Rays have been guest on...

Yeah he’s lost a little integrity this week. Hiding the triumph issue and covering for the cheaters. Surprising take since the Rays have been guest on the show before…

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This one is interesting to me. Claimed his bike was pre production and production bikes come with a certain different part that fixes the problem. Made...

This one is interesting to me. Claimed his bike was pre production and production bikes come with a certain different part that fixes the problem. Made reference to false neutral several times. Reports of triumphs having transmission issues on the production bike..... just makes you wonder how long this transmission thing has been a known issue that they still haven't figured out if they already changed something on the production bike and still having transmission issues. Keefer definitely seemed to be trying not to say the wrong thing all week and matthes even tried to get it out of him and didn't get much info.

I agree the whole thing stinks a bit. Then There was the story that he didn’t race cause they couldn’t get there trailer out of there AirBnB. What!? Sounds like cover for the bike now. 

Would a preproduction bike even be legal to race at LL?  Seems crazy that triumph wouldn’t be there with some support and have the part he needed. 

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

Keefers advise of not cheating too big was interesting as well, if you run a big bore dont holeshot or jump triples from the inside, 

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i hope Eddie Ray rings into the pulpmx show, 

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

soggy wrote:

Keefers out to lunch. Then he tried to peddle the ‘the ray’s bought the bike used and didn’t know what was done to it’. Yea right. 

Queefer.

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zehn wrote:

Deegan’s #1 fan is apparently ok with cheating at LL, you can’t write this shit hahahahaha

Farmer J wrote:

Let's not forget the time deegan did the same thing and got caught at oak hill. Anyone willing to cheat a little kid is a pos. 

BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

Okay Brian. 

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971_Fan wrote:

The holier-than-thou vital crowd has found their new villain. 

I mean, when you get caught cheating in the pw class and you’re Jessica Patterson and Eddie Ray, you’re going to get ripped. But sure, we...

I mean, when you get caught cheating in the pw class and you’re Jessica Patterson and Eddie Ray, you’re going to get ripped. But sure, we can all just brush it under the rug. Fuck outta here with that holier then thou shit. They sent there kid out there with a cheater bike and knew it lol they’re idiots and cheaters. 

Don't worry it's 971. Brian could go to Loretta's and steal everyone's bikes, cash, and possessions and he'd say it's no problem. 

Here he is with his Brian shaped pineapple and new homemade Brian necklace. 

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Farmer J wrote:

Let's not forget the time deegan did the same thing and got caught at oak hill. Anyone willing to cheat a little kid is a pos. 

971_Fan wrote:

The Deegan hate goes deep with you.  

The Deegan meat goes deep in you...

Sorry, you walked into that one 971.

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scott_nz wrote:

Keefers advise of not cheating too big was interesting as well, if you run a big bore dont holeshot or jump triples from the inside, 

That was sarcasm. 

*I can’t believe I just had to explain that to someone. 

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Sully wrote:
If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that...

If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that to say "I am not condoning cheating...unless it's Deegan" because;

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971_Fan wrote:

Show me where I condoned cheating. 😘

Here...

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And here...

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"It was 2cc's" is making an excuse for cheating, which implies you're ok with it as long as it's a certain person...

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yak651 wrote:

Come on man, how good of friends are you with the Rays?

Renner153 wrote:
I wouldn’t say I’m very good friends. Have t talked to them in years. I just know how the PW class is. Happens almost every year...

I wouldn’t say I’m very good friends. Have t talked to them in years. I just know how the PW class is. Happens almost every year. My dad builds a ton of them and it’s a thing at every national and local race. The PW dads are the worst when it comes to cheating for their kids. 

soggy wrote:

It doesn’t happen every year. I think Weege said the last time was early 2000’s or something. 

It happens every year. 

A dork listens to another dork on a podcast & thinks now he knows something 

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pwdad wrote:

It happens every year. 

A dork listens to another dork on a podcast & thinks now he knows something 

Every year the winner is protested and relinquishes the title due to cheating? I don’t think you are right about that “PW Dad”. 

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pwdad wrote:

It happens every year. 

A dork listens to another dork on a podcast & thinks now he knows something 

aeffertz wrote:

Every year the winner is protested and relinquishes the title due to cheating? I don’t think you are right about that “PW Dad”. 

Every year the winner cheats. Regardless of the rigged and stupid protest system. 

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pwdad wrote:

It happens every year. 

A dork listens to another dork on a podcast & thinks now he knows something 

aeffertz wrote:

Every year the winner is protested and relinquishes the title due to cheating? I don’t think you are right about that “PW Dad”. 

pwdad wrote:

Every year the winner cheats. Regardless of the rigged and stupid protest system. 

So speculation > facts. Got it. 

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8/5/2025 12:04am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2025 12:21am
Sully wrote:
If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that...

If 2cc's is over the allowable limit, that means you were lying when you said, "I am not condoning cheating." Unless you want to amend that to say "I am not condoning cheating...unless it's Deegan" because;

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971_Fan wrote:

Show me where I condoned cheating. 😘

Sully wrote:
Here...And here..."It was 2cc's" is making an excuse for cheating, which implies you're ok with it as long as it's a certain person...

Here...

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And here...

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"It was 2cc's" is making an excuse for cheating, which implies you're ok with it as long as it's a certain person...

None of that is condoning cheating or making excuses for cheating.  I never implied I'm ok with cheating, even 2cc's over.  I even expressly said it was cheating and that it was not ok to cheat, but because you are a loser, you did not show that screenshot.  Tyler D even admitted that he should have left the fully modded bit out. 

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Keefer been giving good info about many things last years but this week hasnt been his strongest. 

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971_Fan wrote:

Show me where I condoned cheating. 😘

Sully wrote:
Here...And here..."It was 2cc's" is making an excuse for cheating, which implies you're ok with it as long as it's a certain person...

Here...

Screenshot 2025-08-05 at 2.28.14%E2%80%AFPM

And here...

Screenshot 2025-08-05 at 2.28.44%E2%80%AFPM

"It was 2cc's" is making an excuse for cheating, which implies you're ok with it as long as it's a certain person...

971_Fan wrote:
None of that is condoning cheating or making excuses for cheating.  I never implied I'm ok with cheating, even 2cc's over.  I even expressly said it...

None of that is condoning cheating or making excuses for cheating.  I never implied I'm ok with cheating, even 2cc's over.  I even expressly said it was cheating and that it was not ok to cheat, but because you are a loser, you did not show that screenshot.  Tyler D even admitted that he should have left the fully modded bit out. 

Justify it however you need to, lady, but “it was 2cc’s” is making excuses for a cheater, and that makes you ok with it…

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20 pages on the Pdub class?  I believe. 

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Claimgate, SA offenders on site, parents fist fight, etc. What a 💩 show MXSports has become….

 

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crowe660 wrote:

20 pages on the Pdub class?  I believe. 

To be fair half of those pages were focused on Deegan. Someone will find a way to invoke the Lawrences and we'll get another 10 pages.

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El Capitan wrote:
Claimgate, SA offenders on site, parents fist fight, etc. What a 💩 show MXSports has become….  


Claimgate, SA offenders on site, parents fist fight, etc. What a 💩 show MXSports has become….

 

Wait someone raced a cheater bike, got caught, and were disqualified. How should MXSports have handled it differently in your mind?

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El Capitan wrote:
Claimgate, SA offenders on site, parents fist fight, etc. What a 💩 show MXSports has become….  


Claimgate, SA offenders on site, parents fist fight, etc. What a 💩 show MXSports has become….

 

GrapeApe wrote:

Wait someone raced a cheater bike, got caught, and were disqualified. How should MXSports have handled it differently in your mind?

Clearly, MX Sports should go buy 42 new P Dubs and let Tim Cotter keep possession of them. 

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So how can the Rays be officials at there own track? Known cheaters can’t be trusted as ama officials  

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I don't think track owners are ama officials. 

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I don't think track owners are ama officials. 

We always had "hired" AMA officials at our AMA events. 

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