I don’t want to muddy up the Loretta’s race discussion with more Vet class and former pro talk so I’ll bring this up here. I started to become a lap time data nerd since Litpro and Polar/Garmin became an easy way to compare your speed and fitness. We’re all curious where we stack up against the pros or how we might do trying for Loretta’s. Some us have the blind confidence of a 4yr old in a Superman costume hopped up on Mt. Dew but I’m wondering if the data from 1 track translates to similar results at another.
For example, Andrew Short was running lap times about 20 seconds faster in +40 than the 14th-20th place guy. My latest data at a Millville amateur race puts my lap times at 20 seconds slower than Henry Miller on the same day. That’s sad to type but I’m an old man on a Suzuki…..
A few nuanced questions regarding this data.
Does current Andrew Short throw down a faster lap time than Henry Miller a month ago at Millville? I think Henry finished 16th overall.
Does this speed gap carry over to another track with another top guy provided that the track isn’t wildly different? Assuming it isn’t stadium vs. mx or sand vs hard packed etc. For the most part I’m assuming I’ll be 20 seconds slower than a pro on most outdoor tracks with 2:00 laptimes for me.
Finally, does any of this mean shit? Could someone make a prediction that at least you have the 1 lap speed to hang around the top 20 and not be embarrassed?
Paging Professional125……he can clear this up…..
Only if he is jetted up correctly
I'd be willing to bet that the lap times don't equivocate from one track to another. In other words, maybe you're 20 seconds behind Miller at Millville, but only 19 behind Short at the same track. Then, at Loretta's, you might be 18 seconds behind Miller but 30 behind Shorty. At still another track, you could get blown away by Miller to the tune of 30 seconds or more, but (relatively speaking,) hot on the heels of Short by only 12 seconds.
I second this. I'm pretty slow but relative to the other slow guys I'm a lot more competitive at certain tracks
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Well I’m pretty sure most of us have had that experience where you thought you were ripping pretty good (possibly hitting sand rollers 4th gear WO) and then see a video or check your lap times and realize you should take up golf. It’s always been so hard to see how you’d stack up against guys from the opposite coast or whatever but the sharing of data makes for an interesting discussion. I’ve always wondered how much faster Carmichael or McGrath would be at my local track.
That Double Port Boost CR 125 gonna be screamin if she’s jetted correctly.
Speaking specifically about Loretta’s, it seems like some guys that have decent speed can shit the bed with the ruts or go the other way and level up compared to where you normally fit in. Obviously fitness and the ability to hold that 20 second difference is huge because it looks like guys are all over the place with their times.
I think everyone just tries there best at LL. A local race is more complex riders getting racing experience again like me, getting in shape , making improvements, working on the next level speed, work on spirit speed , work on start & the 1st few corners - most important. Try there hardest to finish there best . Only worried about winning. Your from iL. If Jr Jackson & Tommy Hoffmaster sign up your finishing 3rd at best . I think vets should sign up for the correct class. It’s like a star hs player signing up for a B team tournament plsyers that can not make the A team . I f I was a X factory rider . I would not sign up for any vet classes , pro sport only . I think it taints your reputation & name . Here is 125c & 50 + 10th place & up . I would prefer 125c but 50+ riders r quite a bit slower lap times. I woukd sign up for a class I belong in .
All I know is that I used to roast dudes in the +30B class at big Glen Helen races, but I got my clock cleaned at Mammoth - I barely made the mains! Different tracks run differently. (And sandbaggers go to different tracks!)
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I did the area qualifier that Shorty did in Iowa and he looked like he was cruising around out there…but was gapping local A guys who were FAST by like 5 seconds a lap. It was pretty cool to witness.
That said, Andrew short likely hasn’t lost a lot of speed. Sure fitness and dexterity changes with age but Dungey or even Tickle and Davalos are still running about the same speeds they were when on top. Maybe a 5% difference but not 20% slower IMO.
I think its different track to track. Its also different with how rough the track is. Example guy A could be 20 seconds a lap faster than guy B on smooth chicken licks. But when they go to rough mega mountain guy A is 45 seconds faster than guy B while guy A has the same average laptime of 2:05 on both tracks.
I rode multiple times a week with a guy thats been going to lorettas for longer than I can count. We would go to this one turn track that was so rough and beat that your average guy wouldn't make a lap. The laps were way shorter than another track we would ride regularly but I would say his gap per lap was about the same on me as the longer track.
Watching him today he was I think 17 seconds a lap faster than another guy in his class that was an alternate. He wouldn't have a 17 second a lap gap on me at the normal track we rode which had longer lap times. But I also know I wouldn't qualify for the ranch.
I hope this explanation makes sense.
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Yeah it’s also about controlling yourself throughout the week and managing the spectacle of it all. A lot different than throwing down a decent lap during a session on an open practice day.
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