The true World Championship?

MXGP is the world championship and held thr best MX riders for a while there but it's no longer the case.

In a perfect world I would have MXGP is the premier MXGP series that is a world series with 3-4 races in the states.

That is never going to happen as a selfish fan I want all the top guys from Europe to transition to America.

It may be hard for an american to understand but the world is bigger than just america

Ama mx nationals.

LungButter’s world championship:

Just need to find greater track diversity.

Obviously the answer would be to have a premier series that does equal rounds in states, Europe & few seas aiming to cover all types of track, weather & terrain. 

But for some very bizarre reason that can’t happen, while factory pay the most elite riders to race separately… 

Full gates of "world class riders" is a bit of a stretch if guys like Stav Orland can score points in a 40 rider field.

can’t be a world title if all the races are held in the states , hell we don’t even go to Canada no more for the damn supercross races so we can’t even branch out to the other part of North America 😂😂

AMA Nationals is about as much as a world championship as ADAC; Dutch masters, Italian and the French championships...

Nothing but respect for the World Championships, GP riders and other countries…….but it appears the owners/ promoters are sucking the life out of the series…..fly away races to nowhere, no purse $, depleted rider numbers…. I am no expert in GP racing but seems like many international riders are coming to race the USA series and we enjoy watching them….Some of my best memories of Mx was watching the Unadilla GP every year, and I did come to Ca. To watch the last GP at Glen Helen a few years back….It would be exciting to see a few rounds of USA nationals be co-promoted with a GP….

I wonder how the promoter fared? Had to lose his shirt. I've seen about as many spectators at Muddy Creek for a Mega Series race. No matter how it's spun, there are symptoms when anything isn't well.

You need to back up first there Bud, can MXGP even get full gates as it is?

Argentina, Trentino, Switzerland, France, Germany, Czech Republic,...

So, yeah.

Edit: And I responded to "full gates of 40 world class riders", not to "full gates of 40 riders".

It’s bad when you have to name the few races that get 40 riders. The mx2 class entries are pathetic. 

Its only the world championship because they pay FIM money for the rights to call it that. 

USA series (both of them) are more prestigious. 

Ah, so it’s not the international calendar, global talent, or brutal travel—it’s just about paying the FIM? Makes total sense.

Still, if I ever have grandkids, I’d much rather brag about winning two Motocross World Championships than five AMA titles. One sounds legendary. The other sounds... domestic.

So to you guys like Stav Orland, Hunter Schlosser, Cade Clason, Joshua Boaz, Hayes Edwards, etc are classified as "world class riders"?

Okay, Bud.

We have the fastest racers...been proven true this year for sure. Where's Vialle?, Where's Prado? Reigning MXGP champs and they can't win motos...

Is they cancelled EMX MXGP gates would be full.

You're dragging other things into the discussion just to prove your point. The initial statement was "full gates of world class riders", which obviously isn't the case. No one ever mentioned who has the fastest racers but you.

It may be hard for a European to understand, but the USA is as large geographically as all of Europe.

Sure, the U.S. is big. No one’s arguing that. But racing coast-to-coast isn’t the same as flying from Argentina to Indonesia to Latvia in the span of a few weeks.

AMA riders might cross a few time zones and sleep in a Holiday Inn. MXGP riders are dealing with passport stamps, jet lag, new cultures, unfamiliar food, different languages, and wildly different tracks every single round.

So yeah—the U.S. is geographically large. But let’s not pretend that makes it a world championship. MXGP actually races around the world. That’s the part some folks seem to miss.

It's difficult to refrain from pointing out the flawed logic on both sides of this argument.. AMA vs MXGP debates are the gift that keeps on giving. I think most people see the positives for either series

Do you think this guy would qualify for a US national?

I guess it all depends on how you define "world championship". A championship with the nest rider in the world winning, or a championship that tests riders on the vastly different terrain/environments in the world? Both fall a little short in that regard, IMO. One is a loamy ripped track championship, the other is a Euro/southeast Asian championship with one South American round.

Technically if I raced here and Canada would I be a world class 125 rider right  ? Or a world class competitor. Technically I could make t shirts that said world tour .  Redbud vet race has riders from 20+ states .  Are they national champions then ? There’s vet riders that call it a national . 

You have a point about some Americans. As a country, we are pathetically underinformed about other places. I think it comes from the USA having been the best at literally almost everything for a long time during the 20th century; we sometimes feel like there is so much to learn and know about the USA that we neglect learning about other countries. You'd be hard pressed to find an American citizen who knows how to speak even a 2nd language, and if so, that language is probably Spanish. 

As for Motocross, well, those of us who grew up in the 1980s got to witness the USA win the MXDN every single year. Add to that the American bravado surrounding everything else, and you may understand why we tend to think we're the best, even though recent years would prove otherwise. 

No those guys I wouldn’t classify as world class riders. But they’re pretty good and you could argue within the top 200-250 in the world. If you can qualify for a US national you’re a good rider. 

But there are riders that show up at some mxgp rounds, don’t even have to qualify and are absolutely fucking horrible riders. I’ve seen riders at the china and Argentina rounds that wouldn’t even qualify for the C class at Loretta Lynn’s. And they’re out there scoring points!! 

Mxgp and US nationals are both good series and with some minor tweaks both could be great. But both of them are dying a slow death with mxgp seemingly heading down the shitter quicker. Its unfortunate for moto in general. 

Has Hunter ever been asked his view on the two series? I get that he did the whole GP thing earlier in his career, but he has to have a good insight as one of the most recent people to do both. 

The wild card entries shouldn’t be there I agree, but remember how strong EMX is which is a level below MXGP in theory.

What’s the US equivalent of EMX ? 

You could call the MXGP a European championship since the majority of places outside of Europe are token - important for growth of the sport perhaps but still token. If you don't go where the competition is outside of Europe it is hard to call it a world championship other than in name. Maybe even an Italian championship the way Luongo circles around Italy 😏.  If it's only geography based then it's a little hollow.